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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

My favorite part of all of this, hands down, is watching liberals praise the cheneys. It’s an amazing feat of mental flexibility you wouldn’t think was possible.
This seems extremely narrow minded of you.

Why is a democrat praising a republican weird to you? I vehemently hate most republican politicians, but there are also quite a few that I hold in high regard.

Just like some of the conservative posters on BL, we might disagree on some things, but I think they're high quality human beings (some of them...).

What's wrong with that?

Can people with different ideas not respect each other?

Are you really brainwashed into thinking we are enemies? How are we supposed to unify with that shitty attitude?
 
This seems extremely narrow minded of you.

Why is a democrat praising a republican weird to you? I vehemently hate most republican politicians, but there are also quite a few that I hold in high regard.

Just like some of the conservative posters on BL, we might disagree on some things, but I think they're high quality human beings (some of them...).

What's wrong with that?

Can people with different ideas not respect each other?

Are you really brainwashed into thinking we are enemies? How are we supposed to unify with that shitty attitude?
You are upset bc you know the cheneys are monsters, and that I am right about this dichotomy in thinking. I don’t see party, I see the individual. Dislike more republicans than I do democrats. I don’t want unity with the pro establishment folx tbh.
 
My favorite part of all of this, hands down, is watching liberals praise the cheneys. It’s an amazing feat of mental flexibility you wouldn’t think was possible.

I agree with Snafu. This is just partisan thinking you're displaying. People praise Liz Cheney (not "the Cheneys") because it's nice to see someone standing up against the Republican status quo of Trump/election lie advocation. That's all it is. Shouldn't be we able to ignore party lines and judge people and issues independently of political affiliation? You often claim to not be partisan, in which case, you should be glad that a bunch of people are ignoring someone's political affiliation and judging them on their words/actions.
 
what's interesting IMO is the fact that she is torching her career to make this stand. I don't "like the cheneys" I have respect for someone who will stand up for the truth, to their own detriment whether left or right.
No one can deny that she loses much more than she gains in this scenario, and that alone makes her involvement and position a compelling one to me.
 
I agree with Snafu. This is just partisan thinking you're displaying. People praise Liz Cheney (not "the Cheneys") because it's nice to see someone standing up against the Republican status quo of Trump/election lie advocation. That's all it is. Shouldn't be we able to ignore party lines and judge people and issues independently of political affiliation? You often claim to not be partisan, in which case, you should be glad that a bunch of people are ignoring someone's political affiliation and judging them on their words/actions.
To me it has zero to do with political affiliation. Its just who the banks/globohomo completely owns vs a relatively small minority pushing back. And yes most republicans are controlled opposition funded by the same people, but the successful ones have to at least pretend to be against them. I realize many in the anti establishment minority are grifters, and I don’t particularly care for the socially right. You have to remember that you guys are only reacting to my comment like his bc you know I’m right. The establishment hates trump, I don’t care if McConnell can hide it, that’s his job. Cheney represents the establishment more than most, and she bet on the wrong team. My best guess on why they burned her as an asset is that they will run her as the establishment candidate against trump, to chip away at any potential close election. She will be like the Lincoln project candidate, which is a group created by the establishment to be controlled opposition. To create the optics that there is a large contingency that opposes the America first mindset. I never get who’s fooled by this type of stuff, but I’m guessing it’s liberals.
 
When you have a duplicitous system that has political prisoners, show trials, and going after journalists like with Julian assange and project veritas, you begin to freak out a lawyer up. Biden had the fbi do a knock raid on pv over his daughters journal, which was legally given to them and they had publicly announced they werent going to publish. If this stuff happened to liberal/establishment journalist I’d be just as freaked out tbh. I don’t get how y’all see this stuff and don’t realize you could be on the chopping block all the same.
 
Snarky comments don’t really convince anyone ur right, other than maybe yourself. Supporting these People after everything we have seen makes me think you guys are the establishments vanguard, not able to be shaken from untenable positions. I feel like most free thinkers fear this future, more so than ever.
And deleting your post just shows that I’m right
 
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Supporting these People after everything we have seen makes me think you guys are the establishments vanguard,
So you are saying you support the insurrectionists who attempted a coup to install a dictator? Those are the good guys to you?

This isn't about whether or not Biden is a good guy. Personally, I don't like him because IMO he's too moderate/conservative on the issues I care about. The Jan 6 commission isn't about Trump vs Biden. It isn't about political parties. It's about upholding the Constitution and trying to hold those accountable who essentially wiped their asses on it. No amount of your whataboutisms can change that.
 
I am apolitical. I have never voted in my life, nor will I ever.

But technically speaking, based on how our treason laws are written, it would seem as though Trump should be eligible for the death penalty. He is a cancer to our democracy. While I don't care to participate in it I do have a little respect for it. He is guilty of treason, and his nonsense has created a fissure in our political system that seems difficult to repair.
 
So you are saying you support the insurrectionists who attempted a coup to install a dictator? Those are the good guys to you?

This isn't about whether or not Biden is a good guy. Personally, I don't like him because IMO he's too moderate/conservative on the issues I care about. The Jan 6 commission isn't about Trump vs Biden. It isn't about political parties. It's about upholding the Constitution and trying to hold those accountable who essentially wiped their asses on it. No amount of your whataboutisms can change that.
To the non true believers these are egregious show trials, and that’s at least half the country, but I’d argue a large swath of moderates as well.
 
And yes most republicans are controlled opposition funded by the same people, but the successful ones have to at least pretend to be against them. I realize many in the anti establishment minority are grifters...

You almost had it, you even said "pretend"

I never get who’s fooled by this type of stuff, but I’m guessing it’s liberals.

You were so close
 
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To the non true believers these are egregious show trials, and that’s at least half the country, but I’d argue a large swath of moderates as well.

Why would you argue that? When was the last time you talked to people of differing opinions on how they feel about Jan6th in real life?

And, my true believer, the Bible had some good advice about false idols. One of the least forgiven sins, IIRC. Your cult is way off canon.
 
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Why would you argue that? When was the last time you talked to people of differing opinions on how they feel about Jan6th in real life?

And, my true believer, the Bible had some good advice about false idols. One of the least forgiven sins, IIRC. Yourcult is way off canon.
I’m waiting to see jan sixth on ice in august, that might convince me it’s more important than the world collapsing due to horrible policy decisions.
 
Article from The Hill June 19,2022

The Jan. 6 hearings enter their third week on Capitol Hill this week. Is the American public paying attention?

Looking at the numbers, the answer appears to be mostly no. Opening night in prime time did attract nearly 20 million viewers, which some in the media touted as a real indicator that these hearings were resonating with voters. But in context, nearly 20 million across a dozen networks isn’t all that great. For example, the evening newscasts on ABC, NBC and CBS draw an average of 18-20 million viewers per night. So, when we hear that almost 20 million people watched the Jan. 6 hearings across ABC, NBC, CBS , CNN, MSNBC and Fox Business, along with six other networks, suddenly that viewership doesn’t look so hot.


More context: President Biden's State of the Union address earlier this year was watched by nearly 40 million people, or about twice as many as watched the opening act of these hearings. And more context: On CBS on June 9, an episode of a program called “Young Sheldon” was preempted by the hearings. The network drew 3.24 million viewers, or about 600,000 fewer viewers than a rerun of “Young Sheldon,” which was watched by 3.86 million the week before. And when compared to “Young Sheldon’s” last non-repeat on May 19, that drew 6.9 million viewers, or more than double the inaugural hearing on CBS. When taken out of prime time, the 1/6 numbers almost completely cratered. Monday, June 13 saw an average of about 10 million viewers. By Day three on Thursday, the number of viewers dropped even further. Consider also the perception of these hearings, which some in the media keep referring to as bipartisan when they are not, at least in spirit. Just 51 percent of the voters approve of the House select committee, according to Morning Consult. Among independent voters, the number drops to 45 percent. In other words, half the country respects the committee while half does not. If the goal is to change minds and make people care more than before, that doesn’t seem to be happening. Most importantly, none of the witnesses are facing anything resembling cross-examination because the minority party is not truly represented. (Staunch Trump critics Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) don’t count regardless of the letter next to their name.)


This doesn’t mean that Jan. 6, a horrible day for this country, should not be investigated. But a truly bipartisan commission like the 9/11 commission should have been the goal here. Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon. There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office. The goal appears to be to make Trump and his inner circle look bad. And the committee has certainly succeeded at that. But the chairman of the committee has already said it will not make any official criminal referrals to the Justice Department, and Trump has already been impeached over Jan. 6.
Audiences have largely tuned out the Jan. 6 hearings as it rolls to its conclusion. And it’s hard to see a scenario under which anyone is talking about it come July 6 let alone Nov. 8.

Link to article
 
Episode 6 will occur June 28 I believe at 1pm Central. Or maybe noon. I have to work so I'll be watching later on youtube.

This one was unplanned as they had originally intended to recess until July. Supposedly there will be a surprise witness.
 
Article from The Hill June 19,2022

The Jan. 6 hearings enter their third week on Capitol Hill this week. Is the American public paying attention?

Looking at the numbers, the answer appears to be mostly no. Opening night in prime time did attract nearly 20 million viewers, which some in the media touted as a real indicator that these hearings were resonating with voters. But in context, nearly 20 million across a dozen networks isn’t all that great. For example, the evening newscasts on ABC, NBC and CBS draw an average of 18-20 million viewers per night. So, when we hear that almost 20 million people watched the Jan. 6 hearings across ABC, NBC, CBS , CNN, MSNBC and Fox Business, along with six other networks, suddenly that viewership doesn’t look so hot.


More context: President Biden's State of the Union address earlier this year was watched by nearly 40 million people, or about twice as many as watched the opening act of these hearings. And more context: On CBS on June 9, an episode of a program called “Young Sheldon” was preempted by the hearings. The network drew 3.24 million viewers, or about 600,000 fewer viewers than a rerun of “Young Sheldon,” which was watched by 3.86 million the week before. And when compared to “Young Sheldon’s” last non-repeat on May 19, that drew 6.9 million viewers, or more than double the inaugural hearing on CBS. When taken out of prime time, the 1/6 numbers almost completely cratered. Monday, June 13 saw an average of about 10 million viewers. By Day three on Thursday, the number of viewers dropped even further. Consider also the perception of these hearings, which some in the media keep referring to as bipartisan when they are not, at least in spirit. Just 51 percent of the voters approve of the House select committee, according to Morning Consult. Among independent voters, the number drops to 45 percent. In other words, half the country respects the committee while half does not. If the goal is to change minds and make people care more than before, that doesn’t seem to be happening. Most importantly, none of the witnesses are facing anything resembling cross-examination because the minority party is not truly represented. (Staunch Trump critics Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) don’t count regardless of the letter next to their name.)


This doesn’t mean that Jan. 6, a horrible day for this country, should not be investigated. But a truly bipartisan commission like the 9/11 commission should have been the goal here. Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon. There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office. The goal appears to be to make Trump and his inner circle look bad. And the committee has certainly succeeded at that. But the chairman of the committee has already said it will not make any official criminal referrals to the Justice Department, and Trump has already been impeached over Jan. 6.
Audiences have largely tuned out the Jan. 6 hearings as it rolls to its conclusion. And it’s hard to see a scenario under which anyone is talking about it come July 6 let alone Nov. 8.

Link to article
I don't find the number of viewers to be materially significant. What is significant is that the DOJ is paying attention. Yes Trump was impeached but he was also acquitted by the Senate, so technically it didn't stick. Hopefully this time around he will either get jail time or 14th amendment invoked preventing him and his Congressional conspirators from holding public office.

As for the "truly bipartisan commission" thing, y'all have House Minority Leader Keving McCarthy to thank for that. He didn't want pubes on the commission and Cheney/Kinzinger were rebuked by their party and have sacrificed their political careers.
 
To the non true believers these are egregious show trials, and that’s at least half the country, but I’d argue a large swath of moderates as well.
They aren't trials. They are presenting evidence to the public and DOJ. The trials will come later. It's easy to call them egregious by those who aren't even watching. But I get it, if you keep your head in the sand or plug your ears while screaming "Blah blah blah!!" then it will all just go away, right?
 
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