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IV'ing stigma

mostly-human said:
For FYI: I probably use 4-6 times a year over last 3 years or so. Fairly evenly heroin/amphet - the reason I mention this, is just to put it out there it is possible to IV drugs (including heroin) and not become a hopeless addict. Or - maybe more correctly, it is possible to have once been a hopeless addict and now maintain a very healthy lifestyle with very occasional IV drug use. Personally, I am not a fan of the complete abstinence approach of some rehab/AA/NA methods.
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Completely agree
Im an IV meth user
Maybe once or twice a month on average but moreso over summer and hibernate for months in winter. Needle doesn't equal junkie
 
i like a to shoot the meth cum so hard very nice rushing sensation. i see other tweekers who smoke they get alot weirder than the shooters....they got less teeth too call me a filthy junkie but i actually think iving right does a less damage than to even take lot pills and drinking....i just maintenence try to give the veins a break try to drink alot of water worse thing has happened is too much water thin the blood bad feeling
 
I have IV'd Meth and i look back at it with great shame.

For those who says its disgusting.....personal hygiene goes a long way. I have only done it 10-15 times however ive always used saline water, thoroughly swabbed the area with an alcohol swab and read up on how to do it safely.

I started out of curiosity, just so happens that the first time i shot up was 100mg of very very good Meth and it absolutely knocked me for six, never felt euphoria like it. This was the other danger, 1 point would last me double or even triple as long as 1 point smoked so it was economical and stronger, 2 reasons i could justify to do it again.

Then one night as i was injecting i finished the shot and realised that i was heading down the path of no return, this was as hard as it gets. I've never IV'd again and i never will. It's just far too addictive.
 
^^ I get the opposite. Meth is one of the few drugs I have tried IV vs Other ROA that I have found a different ROA to be better.

Just had a shot of some stigma, mmm feelsgoodman.
 
One of the few things I enjoy about meth is the rush from IV'ing it. I never used to like needles at all, but after one try, I don't think I'll ever go back to snorting, smoking or plugging. My friends share the same attitude. Once you use a needle, there's no going back.
 
And you're allowed to have a different opinion, that's what makes us human beings great :)
 
I love heroin, I love IV'ing heroin, for me its a beautiful thing that I believe was created to be experienced. Im 21 now, been using needles since 17 started off with meth and oxycontin, ended up with a massive oxy/xanax habit, got on methadone and now im on 8mg bupe a day though I still use H occasionally(and surprisingly can break through the bupe with as little as 100-150mg), I feel like im in control now and have matured a lot in my drug use. Im always clean, always use a micron filter if im banging methadone(something ill probably never do again) or pills, never shared a needle or any contaminated injecting equiptment in my life and all in all im prety responsible these days. I dont like injecting methamp so much anymore it just freaks me out a bit but H is amazing as are other ope's.

My friends are pretty cool with me being high around them and they know I IV but most of them dont IV or use H at all and I wouldnt IV in front of them, I understand why it would make them feel uncomfortable. Most of them also saw me go down the road of addiction and saw what injecting oxy every day did to me so I guess I kind of taught them a lesson as well as myself. They also know that id never offer them anything they hadnt already had(not that I share my drugs, it gets kept quiet :P), im pretty lucky with the people that I know. The one downside to IV'ing and using H is that teres always a middle-man, I can never get in contact with a good dealer so im always having shots with other people and while I know im being clean I worry that ill somehow get hepC because I know this guy has it.

I will agree that most IV users are uneducated and irresponsible but there are still many out there who know how to take care of themselves and know their limits.
 
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It's not as though I care if people inject drugs, but please, today I was taking a piss in Queen Street Malls Myer Centre...There lied a hypodermic syringe in the toilet and a spoon on the toilet seat.

Have some class! Injecting drugs is one of the best methods of administration, if done correctly by a qualified nurse and/or needle expert...!
 
the_ketaman said:
while I know im being clean I worry that ill somehow get hepC because I know this guy has it.

I will agree that most IV users are uneducated and irresponsible but there are still many out there who know how to take care of themselves and know their limits.
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I stopped IV stuff cause often there is often middle man with me as I'm not running habit for H, and last time I had a shot like this i got so smashed that didn't remember if I made up the second shot or if it was this guy I just met. This had me stressing for months until I could get the test done becuase my fiance who doesn't drugs was really pissed off at me and I had to tell cause I didn't want to risk giving anything to her even though it is not so common for people to get HIV from needles in Australia as HEP C. Had to use condoms for 3 months annoying as fuck too.
 
^ Well done for doing the right thing and telling her, as well as putting up with those nasty pleasure reducing plastic cock blockers. I know many men would have kept quiet regardless of the risks to the other person. I've also read about people doing that shit on purpose, those evil cunts should be drawn & quartered.
 
Yes telling her was a very smart and respectable thing to do Spiritfolk, many would not.

The thing im worrying about lately is that my middleman might taking a bit out before I get it and doing so in an unsterile manner(im going to buy some scales and just spring it on him to see if theres any missing). I was shocked when I was in rehab, I was with this guy who was IV'd for his first time with oxy and we had a whole fitpack there and after id done myself he said to me "why dont we just use the same fit for me?"....Well he got an earfull from me, some people are uneducated but some are also just dumb. He knew the risks and still chose to be irresponsible. You just cant win with some people.

Im sure this is quite a personal matter for most and I dont want to derail the thread but if anyone has any stories of contracting HepC or HIV and the aftermath that they are comfortable sharing I would be interested to hear about it, PM me if you like.

Stay Safe
 
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^ I had an ex who didn't share needles, but caught Hep C from sharing a spoon. He didn't drink anyway so he stayed away from that, one time he took too many panadeine fortes though (didn't do a cdub) and ended up in hospital for awhile quite sick because his liver was already below par.

Someone else on BL told me they caught it from sharing a filter.

I'll agree with everyone else and say SpirtFolk, it's commendable you told your partner even though it's not an easy thing to say, I respect that a lot.
 
Ugh, I get the stigma, but it's so overdone I think. If you shoot in a relatively safe manner, don't share needles etc, it's not any worse than other ways of injecting. Yes, there is a higher risk of infection, but it's the person who fails to get that treated that is to blame, not the injection itself. I mean, I say that as I sit here with lumps and sores all over my arms and feet. But when I was blowing all the time I had problems with my nose and everyone knows where smoking leads...

I say let people decide for themselves what is best for them. Now that I IV I will never go back to another form of ingestion for many drugs. It's by far the most intense and amazing sensation you can feel. And yes, I realize that is what leads to higher risk of addiction. But if you are prone to drug addiction to begin with - any RoA will trigger it.

I don't know, maybe I'm just defending so much right now, because I want to be doing it this second but have to wait till I get home because I have nothing to shoot here at work. And I told my best friend about my "habit" today - and although she was accepting, she was also worried. Which I get. I just wish she would understand that it's not this scary thing to be worried about, as long as you are doing it responsibly.
 
Stiffeno said:
A drug addict is a drug addict, i dont shoot up/IV but i dont consider one who does so "worse" then me, i dont consider myself better then any other poor person has gotten addicted to a drug/drugs. /QUOTE]

Well said, Stiffeno. Unfortunately, human beings often need to apply pejorative labels to others to enable themselves to feel superior to others. It almost always says far more about the labeler than the labelee (I am sure there is no such word) and about their self esteem (or lack thereof). It is, in my view, a safer form of abusive relationship.

I progressed from a near needle phobia / anti drug right winger (needle phobia conquered by donating blood regularly so long as I could not see the needle in my skin) to a IV-using, pro-harm minimisation and pro-war on drugs (no, it's not a contradiction) right winger. To my amazement, I even developed a needle fetish for a while.

But my sense of self is a healthy and honest one; I do not need to boost myself by putting others down. By all means, I will judge bad behaviour but not the person, let alone an arbitrary label.

I don't like smoking, have never done it. So inhaling stuff (anything really) doesn't do great things for me. Snorting stuff is a feeling I hate. The taste of my DOC (as much as I love it) is frankly disgusting. So that leaves IVing and plugging.

My first drug experience was IVing meth. 0 to 100 in no time!

My only regret about that was that it has probably spoilt the enjoyment I can derive from other drugs. Speed is boring to me; ecstasy really did little; cocaine (until that I had last week) has never really done much for me and even the "good strong stuff" last week was nice; pot does what exactly?; and heroin was nice but... give me meth any time.

Does the fact I prefer not to smoke or snort say anything about anyone else? Of course not. It says I don't like the taste, smell and texture of smoking (anything) and that I hate the feeling of sticking stuff up my nose.

Do I consider all of the risks of each ROA carefully? I like to think so. For the record, IV damages your veins (says someone with a blood clot problem anyway), can spread blood borne disease if used irresponsibly, etc, etc. But IV meth users tend to use less than those who smoke it. And, for me, it gives me the feeling I like. A mate's GF also likes to IV but she doesn't like the head rush as much of her BF (my mate) and I. Never understood it myself but she enjoys what she enjoys. Another mate is addicted to the smoking ritual. Good on him, if it adds to his enjoyment. There's no commentary in him loving his ritual on my ROA. It just is. And we both try to be careful and responsible and look after each other.

Plugging? I learned years ago to get over those hang ups. My then GF introduced her finger into another form of ritual. I was busy at the time so finished it off and asked "WTF?" In the circumstances, it would not have been possible to deny it added a certain something; especially when she wanted a not unrelated donation in return but I could not bring myself to do it. Still can't put "little NINDY" there; but a syringe up my arse? To give my veins a break? As long as it works for me, no problem. And sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Does that make me gay? Even gayish? Some would say yes, and they might be right in many aspects...except that pesky bit about wanting to have sex with other men...

I've also injected drugs on my local pier...and in my car...and in a mate's house...and...ummm...

Why the fuck do people feel the need to insert their judgments - or their preferences - into the lives of others??? Why do people assume their experiences are the sum of all experiences that can be had? In my time, I have observed the sheer range of effects that the same stuff - let alone different moods, settings, company - can have on the experience.

Am I the only person who has had a point one week and had another the following week...Same stuff, same batch...and had it affect them completely differently? Am I the only person who has injected on a pier looking out to sea and had the space and the water and the wind completely alter the experience of (in my case, meth?)

Really? Let go of yourselves a little people, I say!

Me, to each their own..And if you need a hand, or someone to talk to..or compare...or whatever...I'll do my best.

Oh, and of course, IV is (on average) the most addictive ROA (unless your addiction is to say smoking - or plugging or (God forbid) snorting - itself) because of the greatest % efficiency; I recently warned a young bloke I know well (he is my personal trainer actually) off IVing because he has enough of an issue with smoking meth. With the part of the experience he likes most (we have discussed it in depth and, to an extent, my views on IVing have got him thinking about it), I suspect his first experience with IVing will enhance the experience of the drug...Because of what he likes...his circumstances, his preferences will, in my view, make IVing a step I believe he best avoids.
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Great Nindy
Couldn't say it better myself. I was trying to explain to my best friend today why I hide my ROA from my partner. Her partner used to IV so she is more understanding than mine, who thinks snorting is hard core junkie material.
As a society we judge everything without knowing the reasons behind people's actions. We can wish they didn't but know they will...
 
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