Ive ruined my life because due to using MDMA and Weed (will i ever recover?)

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Hi, so I've been smoking predominately haze weed around 1 - 2 times a week (although i did stop for 3 months) and i have used MDMA around 16 times in the last year and for the first 6 months all was well. Ive only been using drugs a year but is has taken only this long for me to lose my self. My dosages were low and rolls were somewhat spread out. Aside from experiencing a transitory depression all was good. I performed well at college, had many friends and even managed to bag myself a job at a university as a research assistant . Socialising came easy to me and i enjoyed conversation, i talked alot, probably to much.


In the latter 6 months my precautions towards the drug subsided and i began to up my dosages, i spent a 2 month period (from October to early December of 2013) taking MD nearly once a week and over half of these times the dosage was around 500mg.


This binge really began at the turn of my 18th birthday as i was now able to go to uk bass clubs without having to rely on guest lists or fake id's. I was also somewhat heartbroken after falling in love with a girl whilst both on mdma who didnt quite love me back. We shared a chemically induced romance that lasted 8 hours and it had a profound influence on my mind and outlook on life. This alongside my drug use had caused me to become very depressed and so i became somewhat apathetic towards school and buried my head in either drugs, philosophy or music and graphics. Whilst smoking weed (2-3 times a week) and using md i managed to write and create alot of inspiring art ( some links to the stuff i've made https://soundcloud.com/aspect-music https://www.behance.net/NivenPeacock) which lead to me actually gaining some radio 1 and capital fm exposure and making well over 200 pounds from designing nightclub flyers and single artwork . Due to my creative efforts finally receiving recognition i lost awareness of how much mdma i was actually taking, as all i could see was the more drugs i took the better my art seemed to get. As i was also smoking weed at this time i had not become fully aware of my cognitive decline nor realised the impact the drug was having on my mood as i thought much of my troubles at school were due to my cannabis use rather than mdma.


I then used the drug again 3 weeks after this binge using around 250mg.


January - im still regularly seeing friends but i am undeniably very depressed, mildly anxious and having alot of problems with my cognition, my ability to debate has completely gone, and my abstract ideas are also starting to fade. I had become aware of this and so stopped taking the drug for around 2 months but continued to smoke weed. Somewhere in this 2 month period i had a pretty bad trip on some high grade skunk and was left in a malaise of thought loops and severe anxiety for around 4 days but it passed. Bare in mind i do not smoke everyday, nor have i ever and i was only smoking at this point around twice a week, maybe 3 times in a week if it was a holiday. This put me of weed for a while but after 2 weeks i returned to it and all seemed ok. But as i continued to smoke i would notice the days after my internal monologue would be a little disordered and i was beginning to act a little strange around college. What was actually happening was the onslaught of mild cannabis induced psychosis. I began smoking weed less and less as i was becoming very aware of its effects on me and kept it strictly to once a week.


Febuary - I then used around 500mg of mdma at a student rave with my last roll being 2 months ago.


This trip was kinda interesting as i was with a large group of people and i was one of 2 people using mdma, somehow in my drugged up state i ended up dropping another bomb with 30 minutes of the rave left and so ended up high as f**k at 4 in the morning on a tuesday night with nowhere to go. Me and my friend who was also rolling decided to call it a night and i went back to my mates uni halls to find everyone asleep, well trying to sleep. I stroll in spouting a load of crap about wanting to hug everyone and how good i feel but unfortunately no ones on my level and after about an hour of my mate humouring my mdma rants he tells me were gonna have to sleep. This was a really strange experience on md as i spent around 4 hours trying to sleep with my eyes closed but i was completely awake with no one to talk to so i had a whole load of racing thoughts. It was odd as my state was almost meditative and i began asking myself alot of question as the only person i could talk to was me, i gained alot of insight into my psyche but looking back im not sure how much of what i had thought was just drug induced nonsense. Next day i wake up pretty fucked up, not your usual comedown though. As i was experiencing some psychotic effects of weed in the weeks prior to the roll and i smoked whilst rolling using md aswell sent my mind into a very odd place. Again my internal monologue started acting up, i was depersonalised to fuck, extremely anxious and abit paranoid. This eased up over the next few days but i was still kinda messed up and was extremely depressed so i spent most of the week asleep trying to get away from my mind. This is around the time my mum noticed my depression as it was clear i was really messed up. I began missing alot of school because i was to depressed and anxious to go and slowly was losing touch with reality.


March - 3 weeks after this i played a set at a massive house party and took around 250mg of MD. Around this time i had become very anxious and was finding it difficult to interact with people and so i think i partly took the md to briefly relieve some of these problems.


After this is when i really became aware of my cognitive difficulties and my mind started to really fall apart. As i was djing i got some free mandy from a few different people and so consequently probably took a few different batches of the stuff, this alongside being extremely hot (sweating all over) from playing a 2 and a half hour set in an extremely crowded room i believe is what possibly induced some major neurtoxicity. I also suspect some of the MDMA i received may have been adulterated as the high didnt seem like my usual md experiences. Its difficult to say though as i took the drug in 70mg intervals throughout the night so this may have contributed to the muted high.

The days after this i was unbelievably fucked up and was extremely anxious and a bit paranoid ( thinking people were looking at me) and again skipped nearly the whole week of school as i was to messed up to go. At this point i think everyone had become aware something was wrong with me, i was far from my usual self and the school had rung my mum about my lack of attendance and teachers had raised concerned about my mental health. I was forced to go see a doctor and expose my drug use, what she had suggested that what i was experiencing was most likely drug induced psychosis. It was mainly my cannabis use which was causing me the somewhat psychotic symptoms but MDMA alongside this exacerbated my problems.


Due to all this i was forced to leave college and so have not finished my A-levels. The MDMA had given me cognitive difficulties and made me extremely depressed. The weed was making me anxious and mildly paranoid. I was in a really bad place and there was a point where i was even to anxious to leave my home. I hallucinated a couple of times, but it was only really seeing my existing surroundings shift in perspective rather than any kind of schizophrenic hallucination. I was also having major problems with my internal monologue and was severely depersonalised.


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May - I was in this mental state for quite some time and it has only been in the last week that i’ve seen major improvements. From me crying almost every day and being barely able to hold a conversation things have definitely improved. Although that said i am definitely not the same guy i once was, i have isolated myself from all my friends, and suicide has crossed my mind many times, my depression is improving but it has not gone. Although now much of the psychotic effects of drugs have left me what remains is a severely damaged mind and i am still abit anxious and most definitely depersonalised.


What is really worrying me though is my cognitive troubles, my memory is pretty bad and i have completely lost my vigour for life. I have gone from a happy go lucky intellectual with alot of insightful ideas to an unintelligent recluse. It seems i relied on my intellect to socialise and know that is gone i have little to say in conversation. I hear what people are saying but no longer really now what to say in response. I used to be able to talk endlessly with my friends and was extremely good at socialising but know conversations tire quickly. I just feel very slow and find it difficult to have the intellectually stimulating conversations that i once had regularly. People say stuff and im just abit blank as to what to say in reply, it seems to just past through me. I have difficulty explaining things and no longer can discuss ideas with people. Im running on about 30% of the brain power i once had and i feel as though my company is know pretty boring. Ive lost my edge and whit and my ability to debate is non know existent. I think why this has effected my so much is that i never really understood the small talk so many of my peers would constantly be engaged in and so often it was my wayward thoughts and ideas that allowed me to socialise. I feel very out of it and my relationship with my friends has really changed, we no longer can talk in the same way we once did and the conversation is not quite there anymore. I find it hard to follow people and i feel as though people expect me to say some insightful or profound shit like i once did but know i have nothing to say, or very little.

It is my slowness which is really causing me difficulty , i desperately want to be smart again.

My life has really fallen apart and i often question if i want to continue living. It has taken me a year of smoking weed 1-2 times a week (although i did stop for a 3 month period) and using MDMA on and off for my life to completely fall apart. Ive also now got HPPD.If not for drugs i would still be at college, would probably have a girlfriend and would still have the great relationships i once had with my friends. I no longer use drugs and have no desire to do so. In losing my life i know realise how good things once were and how i really took for granted what i had.
Obviously some individuals are much more susceptible to the effects of drugs than others and after talking with my parents i have discovered they also had mental health issues and so it seems this left with me with a latent predisposition to all these problems.
So if you’ve continued to read this far (and i applaud you if you have) my question is will i ever recover from both the cognitive and mental health issues contracted from my MDMA and weed use and do you think i will ever be the same as i once was? It’s been nearly 2 months since i last rolled or smoked an id be lying if i said i wasn’t improving, but I’m no where near where i once was.


Excuse any spelling or grammar mistakes. Im pretty tired and I’m writing this at like 2 in the morning.
 
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It’s been nearly 2 months since i last rolled or smoked an id be lying if i said i wasn’t improving, but I’m no where near where i once was.

There you have it. Keep at it, eat healthily, exercise and keep positive. You will be fine :)
 
I'll be honest I didn't read all that but you're panicking. There are negative consequences of taking drugs (even cannabis and MDMA), but what evidence do you have to suggest that you have suffered any kind of excessive neurotoxicity at all? In all likelihood you're just fine dude.

Your usage has been pretty low key, and although people do react differently nothing in your story suggests any major sort of negative reactions other than the paranoia. If anything I'm more inclined to blame the negative psychological effects on the cannabis than the MDMA like the psychologist.

Are you still smoking cannabis? If so stop it immediately as a small section of people are extremely susceptible to the strength of modern cannabis and it can induce schizophrenia. Stop taking them both if you haven't already and if you are still feeling not yourself in a few months time then I think there is serious cause for concern. In the meantime just hold tight and have faith in your body's ability to heal itself.

You can find support in The Suicide Support Thread if you're feeling really shitty, and there's lots of discussion on anxiety/paranoia etc in the mental health section that you might find useful or interesting.

I would suggest that you will probably be absolutely fine with no lasting damage at all if you stop now though. It's clear they've shaken you up a bit but just do your best to stay calm whilst your body goes through the process of healing. You will probably be back to your old self in no time at all if you keep off the drugs, make sure you don't isolate in the meantime though. There's lots of good information and experienced people to talk to here and do your best to stay outgoing in your life and keep connections with people.

:)

edit: Person above nailed it, I should have read the whole lot8). You'll be fine in no time man, just keep pushing on and being strong.:)
 
I am in my 40s and like you I was out every weekend going to Raves smoking pot and enjoying my 20s. There was a big thing back then that our generation were going to suffer mental and physical problems when we were older. Unfortunately with big doses of E comes a bit of psychosis plus the weed around nowadays is far stronger than the pot of my youth. But I did get it occasionally.

There are question marks about the quality of MDMA these days and I am sure there are some RC drugs that circulate the rave scene.

To cut a long story short I used to cane it big time 4 or 5 ecstasy pills in one night plus amphetamine sulphate after thr rave would come a social gathering round someone's house all smoking pot it was great but did I get some effects mentally of course I did but once I knocked it on the head I began to normalize in regards to my thinking and well being

I know what you mean though about a chemical romance I once got with a hot chick at a rave both of us loved up on E we spent the night just kissing passionately and got right into each other for me it was the most amazing thing after the rave I pursued this girl and she just did not want to know. I am now married to the most wonderful woman have two teenage boys and a great life. Things change stay off the drugs and things will get better for you. don't even dabble untill you know in your self you are fine
 
Some great responses there:)

Tunsey, we have much in common except I managed to keep up the pace for nearly 10 years, I have physical and mental health issues and I would go as far as to say my abuse of amphetamines and MDMA / MDXX has contributed to them but is unlikely to be the primary cause in both categories.

The truth is that even 20+ years down the road there is no conclusive evidence around the negative, long term effects of MDMA. Throw into the mix any existing propensity to mental health issues, any other drugs you have taken, knowingly or due to miss selling or adulteration and then the stresses and strains of life and you have a mixing pot of unknown quantity.

You can't untake any of these drugs and there is no instant 'cure' for you particular state of mind. You need to asses this from a more solid position so as other s have said it's best to knock all drugs on the head, at least for a few months and that includes weed.

If you are feeling persistently down and having intrusive dark thoughts then it is time to go and see your doctor and talk about it. In the UK they are likely to offer antidepressants (SSRI's are often the first line) but with a little pushing you should be able to access CBT I'm neither pro no anti ADs but it's important you make informed choices rather then be 'rail roaded' by a doctor.

There is a wealth of information on the site specifically in the Recovery Support forums of which this is one.

Hope today brings a little sunshine :)
 
^like what everyone else's said, there really is no evidence that mdma has long term effects on our brain activity. I also suffered the nasty effects of taking too much mdma and not space out my use properly, but after about a year I was back to normal. I believe that the effects a human body experiences from any kind of drug is definitely reversible over time, given enough time and also doing the necessary steps to get yourself back to normal.

What would aid in your recovery is proper diet and exercise. Take it from me OP, I have been to hell and back but I fought it through and just my brain time. Also too, the anxiety that we experienced/experience is the brain's defense so it freaks out whenever ot feels that there is something wrong.

I would also suggest to lay off any drug or alcohol for a while and just let your brain heal. Only time and what I have mentioned above will aid you in recovery. Goodluck OP and let us know any updates in a few weeks/months or so.
 
I didn't read your whole post but Ive done a lot of drugs and still do, sometimes heavy heavy long binges. acid, pills, Mandy etc etc and I use speed like coffee. This is not good I admit, HOWEVER; the time drugs tucked me up was between 15 and 20 I'm 30 now. After 20 things got better because I STOPPED SMOKING WEED AND HASH when I was 18 then pretty much abstained from everything else for a couple years. Things changed beyond belief, weed really fucks with ur head when U do class A's too, kind of scars you mentally.

Seriously don't smoke ganja like ever again and all the dark shit in ur head will go and won't come back and maybe try avoid everything for a while at least..without becoming a hermit, occasional binges. This is wats worked for me and were all different but weed can really tuck with ur head when ur dealing with the effects of class A's.

Might work for others, that was the issue for me anyway. Good luck.
 
Hi, so ...


Just from reading parts of your post, you seem intelligent.
It's not really evident from what you wrote that it was actually written while you were tired at 2am, or that you have been struggling to function.

You probably did a number on your brain chemicals, so like MONSTA!!, and others are saying:
There you have it. Keep at it, eat healthily, exercise and keep positive. You will be fine :)
 
Mya were you ever a frequent weed smoker? And do you still

I used to smoke weed but not often and I have never mixed it with MDMA. I have not smoked weed since 2012 and I am not sure if I would any time soon, I am more careful now with using and I have acquired a tremendous discipline with staying away from drugs. I really think that if you really fight hard to not do it you will succeed. Right now, working out is my addiction (specially hot yoga) at least I am gaining something positive from it and keeping my body healthier.
 
You'll get better in time man, I think you just put a lot of stress on your body and brain, you're not thinking straight because you're still so anxious. You still got your intellect, just when you're anxious it's cuts in half. Give yourself time to relax, I'm in the same situation as you!
 
Sorry to sound dismissive. But you'll be fine. I mean, if you stay clean and focus on healthier living, you'll be fine. Your usage, relatively speaking, is low-moderate and over a very short period of time. From what studies there have been on MDMA and THC neurotoxicity, the chances you've suffered any sound very slim. This is just what happens when you take drugs, if you stop taking drugs for long enough, shit will go back to normal.
 
^yes exactly right and not dismissive at all. Our bodies know what it's doing and these symptoms we feel are temporary. Given with enough time our bodies return back to normal state and this is also based on what I have experienced.

420KID I hope you have read the posts in here and are feeling better. An update from your recovery will be great.
 
Really appreciate all the advise and support given here. Pleasantly surprised with how empathetic the bluelight community is. Yea i'm definitely feeling better but im still suffering from some anxiety and i have spouts of depression. Im finding my cognition has also improved abit but i suppose getting back to exactly where i was is going to be a long haul, like i feel smarter then when i wrote the original post but im not back to normal. I still at times have odd sensations in my head and muscle twitches, but again this is beginning to settle. Im suffering from all the same stuff but they are not as acute or adverse as they were i guess. Im finding it easier being around friends again, conversations flow a little better. I have noticed from my own experience and that of others that messing with substances does make you alot more introverted, does that part of you ever change back? I mean pre drugs i had been at times introverted but i wouldnt of really considered myself an introvert. Im not like back to my old self or anything but im getting there i think. I think with any adverse drug related side effects theres an idealistic naivety to think once you stop taking them you should one day soon wake up exactly how you were, but im seeing the recovery is alot more progressive than that. Luckily even though i had to leave my college because of all this shit i still somehow got into my uni as they seemed to like me and my music. So to conclude its getting better, but its slooooooooow.
 
^I was definitely an introvert when I was suffering from the effects but I was back to my normal social self after I have recovered. I think the more you let go of the fact that you have suffered from mostly, the anxiety of the comedown the more you will recover faster. I can say that I am definitely back to my normal self again after almost more than a year of suffering so I strongly believe you will get back to it too.
 
I think weed is a substance that either needs to be smoked on a regular basis like daily or every other day or should not be smoked at all. I find that people have a negative experience when they dont smoke that much. Its just too much for them and they get paraniod, they think really deep into things, and they just freak out.

Ive been a daily smoker for about 15 years but there have been times when i had to be away from it for whatever reason. The first session i have when i come back from the break has always been a shitty one. I dont even like the high. It fucks me up way too much and i just start thinking about shit i shouldnt be. But i know its just temporary and once i get back into my routine of everyday, i wont have that same experience and ill go back to enjoying it like i have before.

the high when you smoke everyday is a totally different high than when you dont.
 
you can absolutely return normal again...consider that you've assumed only two types of drugs...and no dangerous combos.
Are you a dj ? what kind of music do you play?
 
One thing weed has kinda done to me (but its not happening as much now) is sometimes when i think i can hear my thoughts in my head and well when you start thinking like that its hard to think clearly, like your thoughts are to conscious. Like at one point this was like completely how i thought when i got this sortoff bad reaction from weed. Do you know what i'm getting at here, like has anyone here experienced this at all. Its like some cliche movie internal monologue, it feels like a very contrived way of thinking.
 
^I experienced something with alcohol, I never get anxiety or anything from any of the drugs I took, but after that bad reaction to that untested mdma or whatever it was, alcohol gavw me severe anxiety. I think that if you are experiencing this kind of reaction and hasn't reached full recovery yet, you should stop weed. Let your brain heal with time.
 
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