I've been ITCHING to do X/Molly....thanks for this

[Suploris]

Been thinking exqactly the same thing lately, this place is swamped with threads along the lines of "omg halp I found 4 grams of a random white powder so I decided to eat it all and now my head hurts WAT DO?

Charles Darwin wrote about these people.

Anyone with a thread which contains "I didn't test it but..." should be moved to a special forum called "I don't know what I took but try and help me anyway", rather than laying all the blame at MDMA's door.

Hit the nail right on the head there!

 

[futura2012]

I call BS..

in laboratory studies, pure MDMA—but not Ecstasy—has been proven sufficiently safe for human consumption when taken a limited number of times in moderate doses.

www.maps.org/mdma
On that same website are many studies saying MDMA is EXTREMELY effective at treating PTSD, a condition many other medications cannot touch. That also just so happens to give it amazing recreational qualities as well.. and is why it can be such a damaging drug.

Its not bullshit this information is not outright fact. There are many other studies that disagree with this claiming MDMA can cause adverse changes in the brain from the very first dose and gets worse as doses increase.

There is some evidence to suggest MDMA can be used as a treatment for ptsd again EXTREMELY is slightly exagerated as it is at its early stages of testing and development in this use.

I am not pro-MDMA, I am not anti-MDMA. I'm the man in the middle trying to tell you there is nothing to be afraid of. The drug will only do as much damage as you let it

Futura, you yourself said it was a BZP pill that set off your "comedown", right? Why fight against MDMA?

For me it was a mixture of MDMA and BZP that set off my come down although I was suffering from cognotive issues such as memory problems prior to this incident.

Im not fighting against MDMA im just not convinced its 100% safe. Im not against people taking it. I realise the fun of it I just think people need to be aware of the dangers.

I will not delete anyone's post that deals with their comedown, unless it breaks the rules of course. Everyone deserves to get an answer. But with 5+ threads being bumped everyday by their OP, the forum is constantly covered with threads like "What have I done to myself?" and "Will I ever recover?". I agree that this aspect should be covered in ED, an EXTREMELY part of limiting the damage from MDMA use is understanding that it exists in the first place... I don't however think that every individual case needs it's own thread The answers are nearly always the same anyway, "Get some exercise and eat healthy. You'll get better with time."

I tried creating a "MDMA comedown support thread" a while back, but people favored posting in their own thread rather than a general one... and I get that, but it's covering up the forum with negativity.

I brought this topic up in the ED modthread and then this thread was made.. it just frustrates me that people take things to such extremes. I'll be looking into a way we can group the topics into fewer threads yet hopefully still convey the messages that they bring.

I notice once threads get grouped into these mega threads they are quickly abondened. I think it would be a great loss to Bluelight if people starting threads for help get grouped up in this way. The whole purpose of an individual thread is you can offer that person help and support.

I think to suggest the answers are always the same over simplifies things in many cases someone is asking specific questions about symptoms they are suffering and trust me I know they are TRULY SUFFERING. I think keeping this in an individual thread is important for that person.

Besides many of the answers on here are the same but if you group or close everything where does that leave us?

I think one of the primary functions of ED is to be a place where people are told that they need to test their product.

Yes this is an important aspect of ED but personally I have picked up many other snippets of valuable information beyond just testing.

Anyone with a thread which contains "I didn't test it but..." should be moved to a special forum called "I don't know what I took but try and help me anyway", rather than laying all the blame at MDMA's door.
Hit the nail right on the head there!

No one is laying all the blame for MDMA alone but in some cases MDMA is to blame. The point is its not always 100% safe and people do get very fucked up from it so as a result I think the posts from members in trouble should stay.

I also think we should give peoples intelligence credit people read these posts and make their own informed choices in combination with other more positive views.

 

[electrodevo]

Its not bullshit this information is not outright fact. There are many other studies that disagree with this claiming MDMA can cause adverse changes in the brain from the very first dose and gets worse as doses increase.

The meta study takeaway impression I've always had though is that any adverse changes -- which do happen -- are not permanent. I actually consider the most dangerous part of MDMA these days to be the bunk adulterated MDMA (some of the "imitation" product is relatively safe, some is hardly).

I have heard of people taking MDMA for many years and never having a problem. However many of these people follow the general HR principles. MDMA can be *very* rewarding if you just follow the rules.

Not everyone who has abused MDMA suffers the horrible comedown, either, but there is quite the risk the more you do it.

 

[Folley]

Its not bullshit this information is not outright fact. There are many other studies that disagree with this claiming MDMA can cause adverse changes in the brain from the very first dose and gets worse as doses increase.

Would you please mind finding me one of these studies that say the FIRST dose will cause irreparable damage? Almost all studies that say MDMA is damaging to neurons get their information from injecting mice with grams of MDMA, 3 out of 7 days a week..... that is obviously going to cause some serious problems.

 

[futura2012]

The meta study takeaway impression I've always had though is that any adverse changes -- which do happen -- are not permanent. I actually consider the most dangerous part of MDMA these days to be the bunk adulterated MDMA (some of the "imitation" product is relatively safe, some is hardly).

I do agree the bigest risk is bunk and coctails.

Im not so sure about the adverse changes however being reversable. There is a lot of evidence out there to suggest this is not infact the case.

I have heard of people taking MDMA for many years and never having a problem. However many of these people follow the general HR principles. MDMA can be *very* rewarding if you just follow the rules.

I think if you follow the general HR rules then risks are minimised I do agree with you. However, not to say this is still 100% safe. I think a lot of cognotive issues can very easily go undetected for quite a while and MDMA can be very subtle in this sense. It doesnt necessarily take a long term comedown horror story for damage to take place.

Not everyone who has abused MDMA suffers the horrible comedown, either, but there is quite the risk the more you do it.

Agreed many reports indicate that the MDMA effect is accumalitive the more you do the higher the risk. Some reports go as far to categorise users into low dose, medium dose and high dose. High dose is often indicated as 200+ exposures. I certainly fall into this category and from 30 onwards definitely felt some cognotive decline. My first long term conedown came at the age of 36 and I really noticed it then.

 

[futura2012]

Would you please mind finding me one of these studies that say the FIRST dose will cause irreparable damage?

http://www.addictionjournal.org/press-releases/the-debate-over-ecstasy-continues

Of course at the age of 20 something you wont feel any of the negative effects which are documented as slow, subtle and accumalative. Yet reach the age of 35 after 10 - 15 years of use and see how you fair. Do you honestly think MDMA use after such a long time will have no effect what so ever?

Almost all studies that say MDMA is damaging to neurons get their information from injecting mice with grams of MDMA, 3 out of 7 days a week..... that is obviously going to cause some serious problems.

This argument is old hat there are loads of studies now on human test subjects and lots of pointers indicating that taking MDMA may well cause cognotive damage even after small doses.

 

[severely etarded]

bottom line, MDMA is probably worth trying if:

1. You test.
2. know the potential risks involved.
3. PLAN to take one medium dose, one time.
4. Plan some fun activity like a rave or something.

 

[Folley]

Do you honestly think MDMA use after such a long time will have no effect what so ever?

No, and I have never made that claim. I've been saying that people should use responsibly... you obviously did not, so your experiences and many other stories here on BL really don't match up here.

 

[futura2012]

bottom line, MDMA is probably worth trying if:

1. You test.
2. know the potential risks involved.
3. PLAN to take one medium dose, one time.
4. Plan some fun activity like a rave or something.

100% agree

Don't stupidly abuse the drug like everyone else in here did! MDMA can be used in an EXTREMELY safe manner, anyone who says otherwise is denying facts.

Do you honestly think MDMA use after such a long time will have no effect what so ever?

No, and I have never made that claim. I've been saying that people should use responsibly... you obviously did not, so your experiences and many other stories here on BL really don't match up here.

You claim that its EXTREMELY SAFE yet agree it will likely have some long lasting effects after 10-15 years worth of use.

In which case I am not sure what you are saying because if you agree its gonna have some kind of effect in the future then its not EXTREMELY SAFE.

Harm Reduction reduces risks (hence the name) but it doesnt make it EXTREMELY SAFE as you claim.

There are risks and by either deleting posts or cacheing help requests into some kind of Mega Thread you are being detrimental to the purpose of Bluelight.

 

[Folley]

I don't claim MDMA to be extremely safe, I said it can be used in an extremely safe way. No drug is safe. It's a drug, it does what it's supposed to.

There are risks and by either deleting posts or cacheing help requests into some kind of Mega Thread you are being detrimental to the purpose of Bluelight.

Again, I don't plan on deleting anything. If someone posts a thread, gets the help they need and then their thread is merged into some kind of Comedown Support thread, who is that hurting? Very personal questions will still need their own thread, but for the endless new threads coming in I think it could be very helpful to at least have a gathering of these posters on the comedown in one place, rather than spreading fear across the entire board.

 

[Suploris]

I agree with Folley. We shouldn't be pretending that MDMA is the safest thing ever. HOWEVER, if used responsibly, the experience can be so incredibly worth it. In stead of that, this forum now screams HEALP BRAIN FOG HEALP BRAIN ZAPS HEALP, which is far from the usual MDMA hangover, not to mention some of these substances might not even be MDMA at all.
I think a comedown advice/support thread would therefore be very useful. Not only do we have loads of negative threads on the same topic now, people clearly don't read each other's threads before posting since then they would know that yes, you will get better and you need to exercise and eat healthy. It's not necessary to repeat this over and over again in different threads, IMO.

 

[futura2012]

I don't claim MDMA to be extremely safe, I said it can be used in an extremely safe way. No drug is safe. It's a drug, it does what it's supposed to.

If your possibley going to get problems 10-15 years down the line how can you be using in an extremely safe way? However, if you are agreeing that MDMA is not 100% safe then we agree.

If someone posts a thread, gets the help they need and then their thread is merged into some kind of Comedown Support thread, who is that hurting?

In many cases a thread applies to that particular person they may come back and report on progress they may have specifics in the post that relate to them. It will index better in google if the threads are kept seperate.

Very personal questions will still need their own thread, but for the endless new threads coming in I think it could be very helpful to at least have a gathering of these posters on the comedown in one place, rather than spreading fear across the entire board.

Why not gather all the questions about moonrocks in one thread? why not gather all the questions about marquis in one thread? why not gather all the endless questions about dosingin one thread? Reason because you are trying to mold the forum to your own personal likes and dislikes and in my opinion that will not be for the benefit of the forum.

I agree with Folley. We shouldn't be pretending that MDMA is the safest thing ever. HOWEVER, if used responsibly, the experience can be so incredibly worth it.

Yes it can and it can also go horribley wrong so if you arent pretending then dont push people with problems into one merged thread. Why not merge purity questions, why not merge sex questions, why not merge mdma urinary problems effectively you could merge everything as many of the same questions are repeated.

In my opinion it is far more important not to merge help threads as the person posting very often is suicidal and needs individual help. Merged threads on this topic is a very poor idea.

not to mention some of these substances might not even be MDMA at all.

maybe maybe not but someone is in need of help so what do we do ban them to a merged thread because their post might indicate that MDMA could be harmful.

Not only do we have loads of negative threads on the same topic now, people clearly don't read each other's threads before posting since then they would know that yes, you will get better and you need to exercise and eat healthy. It's not necessary to repeat this over and over again in different threads, IMO.

I see your just repeating what Folley is saying here but no the content of each help thread is not just you need to exercise and eat healthy. There are many aspects of a long term comedown where someone is looking for answers and saying something along the lines of just eat healthy and do exercise is not going to cut it.

Besides some people on here have been suffering for a long time and certain aspects of their problems may not get better. Yes some stuff may be repeated then again pretty much everything on here is repeated so why just merge help posts?

Please do us a favour and leave the help threads alone if you dont like them just ignore them. If I see topics I dont like I just refrain from comment.

 

[Dresden]

I did plenty of MDMA in the '90s, and nothing bad happened to me save for losing the magic, which is bad enough. But it's better to have loved and lost than never loved at all.

 

[Dawglaw]

It might not have been MDMA that caused these problems but it was a substance that was sold as MDMA and as such, ED is the appropriate forum to discuss the consequences. Until dealers get less shady or RCs stop being made - This is where people should come.

I consider myself a fairly responsible drug user and I had my problems on my 6th dose spread over a period of eight years. I didnt take more than 300mg total, including the redose. The only rule I broke was taking two doses in 14 hours. People ask if they should take E two days in a row all the time here. People say you shouldn't do it but you can get away with it.

Again, I am not on an Anti MDMA crusade. The times I had legit pills, the drug was amazing. Rather my life was completely turned upside down and BL was an extremely important place for me to go so I felt better. Like other posters said, most doctors and shrinks have no clue what to do for the patent psychological problems that manifest after a bad experience. It's the community and people who have gone through it who can help the most.

As I was not in the rave scene nor did I surround myself with people who took E often, I was completely ignorant of the HR rules when it came to E and as such, I didn't test and I redosed. I was more concerned with overheating and water intoxication instead of psychological problems.

 

[Folley]

If your possibley going to get problems 10-15 years down the line how can you be using in an extremely safe way?

You can use MDMA for 15 years in a safe way, you didn't. It's that simple.

Why not gather all the questions about moonrocks in one thread? why not gather all the questions about marquis in one thread? why not gather all the endless questions about dosingin one thread? Reason because you are trying to mold the forum to your own personal likes and dislikes and in my opinion that will not be for the benefit of the forum.

What are you talking about? There is a reason why there is a "Bunk Molly" "Dosage" and similar MEGA threads and the "Pill Testing Q and A" section here on BL is for the Reagents.


If you guys wanted to focus on mainly the recovery aspect, why not do so in the part of the forum now dedicated to recovery and staying off drugs?

Why not merge purity questions, why not merge sex questions, why not merge mdma urinary problems effectively you could merge everything as many of the same questions are repeated.

Again, if they gather enough threads on one topic, we do. You're just arguing to argue now

maybe maybe not but someone is in need of help so what do we do ban them to a merged thread because their post might indicate that MDMA could be harmful.

Do you think I don't want those people to get help as well? If so, you don't know Folley. There is no reason they cannot get that help in a MEGA thread though, as I said any thread that obviously only pertains to the OP will likely stand but the ones that repeat themselves every few days like clockwork where the OP asks if this is forever, gets some answers on how to cope and is never heard from again. Those are the kinds of threads I am looking at merging, and hopefully in doing so the OPs of all the other threads will realize there is a place for them to gather and talk rather than each one constantly bumping their own thread to the top of the page.

 

[pokepoke420]

I think it is better that certain people are scared away ONLY BECAUSE they are more prone to the abuse and the horror stories. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Folley]

^ But is it the people who are prone to abuse the ones who are being scared off? I think it is the people that would come here and be encouraged to use safely if they do choose to, the one's who are going to abuse it don't give a fuck about this site until it's too late.

 

[pokepoke420]

I totally see your point. Just wanted to throw something out there to see it differently ya know. People prone to abuse usually don't give a fuck.

 

[futura2012]

You can use MDMA for 15 years in a safe way, you didn't. It's that simple.

Im not referring to myself if you use MDMA you take risks there is no such thing as using it in a VERY SAFE way as you claim it has its risks. The longer and the more you use it the bigger the risk.

What are you talking about? There is a reason why there is a "Bunk Molly" "Dosage" and similar MEGA threads and the "Pill Testing Q and A" section here on BL is for the Reagents.

If you guys wanted to focus on mainly the recovery aspect, why not do so in the part of the forum now dedicated to recovery and staying off drugs?

In my opinion Mega threads are confusing and you may as well put every single post in a mega thread as pretty much every question is a rehash of something before. I think megathreads are a bad idea as they dont have a personal touch and once a post is pushed into a mega thread I notice it then often gets ignored.

Do you think I don't want those people to get help as well? If so, you don't know Folley. There is no reason they cannot get that help in a MEGA thread though, as I said any thread that obviously only pertains to the OP will likely stand but the ones that repeat themselves every few days like clockwork where the OP asks if this is forever, gets some answers on how to cope and is never heard from again. Those are the kinds of threads I am looking at merging, and hopefully in doing so the OPs of all the other threads will realize there is a place for them to gather and talk rather than each one constantly bumping their own thread to the top of the page.

We will have to see how it pans out. I have expressed how I feel about merging help threads.

 

[lostsoul.On.E]

i could see how this forum could frighten some people from ecstasy use. it is quite sad because ive had some really magical experiences with mdma. it is my favorite drug and can be amazing if taken responsibly.

And ED has really taken a turn for the worse. every other article is about someone getting fucked up off of mdma or took some "molly" and doesn't feel right three months later. It used to be fun and interesting going through this forum, now its just depressing.