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I've been diagnosed with Panic Attack/Anxiety disorder

Fresco

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So just as the title says, I've been diagnosed with Panic Attack/Anxiety disorder. My doctor wants to start me on 1 to 2mg Lorazepam once or twice a day.
I've read so many horror stories about benzo withdrawals on this site, is this a safe dosage to take?? Or will even a low dose like that cause withdrawal symptoms??
 
Any dosage of benzodiazepines taken for long enough will cause dependence. That is axiomatic as far as I'm concerned and anyone arguing against that point would find themselves in a curiously defensive position.

This question is answered here on benzo.org.uk, an excellent resource.

Most of the horror stories are precipitated from mismanaged withdrawals. It's definitely possible to gain quality of life while using benzodiazepines. But before you take any of this class of drugs, you really should take upon yourself the personal responsibility of knowing what you're getting into.
 
Idk specifically about lorazepam, but benzos work great for anxiety, on the short-term or when used 'as needed'. Give them a try, just don't do them everyday. To treat your anxiety for good id suggest therapy and CBT
 
i was in tolerance/addiction after about 3-4 months use and continued to escalate my dose. that being said i still managed to have a life, though with benzo tolerance probably poorer than before. i would recommend taking regular breaks from it and never abusing them. consult with your doctor and make sure he is well educated on the topic of withdrawal. i've been going through a horrific withdrawal but had my doctor or i been educated in the least bit on the subject I more than likely would have been ok. 1 year free of those devils today. ughh.
 
Fresco, I am glad you are seeking medical attention for your anxiety/panic disorder & applaud your attempts for bettering oneself. Whilst I personally do not have 1st hand experience in experiencing BENZO w/d, the generally accepted 'its worse than opiate w/d' notion has me very substantially worried (as if/when DR retires, here comes your anxiety/panic disorder back again 10x fold during discontinuation of lorazepam!). Why is the benzo being jumped on so quickly by this DR? - what about chemicals such as BUSPAR (generic: buspirone?) & SSRI mix? See this very short study summary here, which showed much safer buspar has similar efficacy as diazepam http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/382878 I can personally vouch for Diazepam, and for Buspar.... buspar took a couple weeks to work. When i quit buspar i cut down slowly and despite some rebound did not have any major issues. just my thoughts for you -perhaps you have already tried these things however. Just don't wanna see you get hurt u kno?
 
I'd try to take them symptomatically, .5mg at a time, rather than on a regular dosing schedule, to avoid addiction. Try to not get too fond of them...that's a bad road to go down.
 
I ran out and had bad withdrawals - fortunately got klonopin pretty fast to stop it. Definitely don't use every day. For anxiety, wait and see if it gets better - don't take unless it is going toward panic attack. I don't know how long your panic attacks last. Mine can be a couple of minutes or half the day. I don't use them for panic unless it isn't improving in 20 minutes (less if I am really going nuts).

If you have panic attacks that vary so much in duration, maybe you should try to ride it out just a bit to see if it goes away.

There are other anxiolytics (and not just Buspar or SSRIs) that could help and maybe you could see if you could get samples of non addictive/less addictive alternatives to see if they help. Buspirone/Buspar has helped my panic disorder significantly - it just takes maybe a couple of weeks to really work and may need one or two dose increases for full benefit.

I'm not anti-benzo. I think they are good for severe panic attacks and maybe some other anxiety types but not if you do to much. Taking the max prescribed each day will be bad.
 
Hey guys, thanks a lot for all your responses. Using them every day is precisely what I wanna stay away from.
After reading the withdrawal hell some users on Bluelight have gone through I figure its definitely not worth it to use benzo's on a daily basis.

My panic attacks only come once or twice a week, would it be safe to take 1mg lorazepam twice a week when those attacks occur, or would using that amount long-term still produce bad withdrawals??
 
Once or twice a week should be fine. I used temazepam and/or alprazolam twice a week for a year and never got withdrawal. I got too comfy and it turned into 3-4 times a week then 4-5 times a week then daily. I told myself that next week I'll start cutting back and I kept justifying my usage, that went on for over a year and a half and I even knew how bad benzo dependence could be and I still got hooked so please be careful.

People who have anxiety/panic issues seem get hit the worst when it comes to withdrawal because coming off will greatly increase your anxiety. Mine was prescribed for sleep not anxiety so my withdrawal is almost all physical...pretty much constant muscle stiffness and joint pain. Other than a benzo at the 1 month mark it's been 40 days since I dropped and it doesn't seem to be getting any easier. However I have little to no anxiety which I'm guessing is because I'm also dependent on 200-300mg of pregabalin (Lyrica).
 
Hey Fresco,
i'm surprised that little of an amount you're this worried of dependence-- but, the truth is that you can get dependent on just about anything.
bottom line, if you're having panic attacks and cannot breathe or function properly.. seek a benzo at even a low enough dose such as what you're inquiring about..
you should feel so much better hopefully!

i sincerely hope your anxiety get's well..
 
Thanks for all your support. You guys are the best!!!!
I think I'd be dead if it werent for Bluelight.

Weirdest thing is my panic attacks came completely out of the blue. I've never been a nervous person or somebody who gets easily stressed. Quite the opposite actually, I'm one of the easiest going people in my family.

My dad said he went through the exact same thing as me. His first attack came on very suddenly just like mine 30 years ago while he was driving his car. Its one of the scariest things you can go through because when it first happens you feel like you're either having a stroke or a heart attack. Add points if your first attack happens in a crowded area and everybody starts staring at you (which happened to me) 8( 8o :(
 
I'm sorry to hear that Fresco,
i understand with all my heart.. i haven't driven my nice new car in months because i'm too shaky and have absolutely no confidence in myself (i get attacks behind the wheel too, so yes it's very scary and i'm hoping more than anything that this will pass.. for both of us)
i'm not sure when my first attack was.. my ex-fiance use to beat me quite often, along with my family.. i can recall afterwards running into my closet hyperventilating and realizing there was a real problem anxiety wise with myself. it's so very painful when they come on, so trust that i truly understand.
I'm on a very high dose of Alprazolam, 2mg 3 times daily.. you'd think that would put most people out, and yes it would-- but my chest pains, anxiety, ptsd, and so on is very bad.
I hope we've helped you decide what to do, nobody wants anything to happen to you.. Anxiety can destroy so much, it can put your life on hold if it gets bad. It can destroy you.
I'm here if you have any questions dear.
<3
dishearten
 
Hey guys, thanks a lot for all your responses. Using them every day is precisely what I wanna stay away from.
After reading the withdrawal hell some users on Bluelight have gone through I figure its definitely not worth it to use benzo's on a daily basis.

My panic attacks only come once or twice a week, would it be safe to take 1mg lorazepam twice a week when those attacks occur, or would using that amount long-term still produce bad withdrawals??

Hi Fresco... welcome to the horrific world of anxiety. I'd be able to advise you better if I can ask a few questions? May I ask:

1) How old are you
2) How long have you had symptoms of panic attacks?
3) Can you explain what your typical panic attack feels like, with time scales of their effects?
4) Do you get any early warning signals that one is coming on, or are they fairly rapid?
5) Do suffer from nausea/sickness at all?
6) Finally, do you suffer from significant levels of generalised anxiety at all, or is it all just acute attacks?

Whilst Lorazepam/Ativan can be quite good at treating anxiety, all Benzodiazepines do have several *potential* drawbacks. With prolonged use, even if still infrequent such as twice per week, you're at risk of numerous problems:

1) Tolerance - Taking more of the same substance to achieve the same results. This can still be the case if you only take it once per week, prolonged use of Benzo's can result in them losing their efficacy to some degree, though this is very circumstantial. You have to be very wary/alert of this as it's the first sign of a slippery slope to the following situations.

2) Dependence - Thinking Benzodiazepines are a 'cure' for your panic attacks and then becoming either mentally or physically dependant on them by solely relying on them to help. Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, Benzodiazepines are generally very good at treating panic attacks, and there are not many/any other medications currently on the market that are as effective as Benzo's for the acute treatment of panic attacks.

3) Addiction - Something a lot of Benzo users struggle with. You have a life-dictating problem, panic attacks, and are given a magic pill that treats such problem, and often does so very well. Whenever you get a panic attack it becomes all too easy to just pop a pill and feel the problem melt away. It's very easy to get carried away with the effects of Benzo's and start to use them too often, whether intentionally illicitly or not. This may lead to either psychological or physiological addiction, or even both.

4) Withdrawals - Following addiction or dependence you may suffer from withdrawal symptoms that can be very nasty and also life-threatening if ignored. So naturally you just keep on taking Benzo's to fight off the withdrawal effects and get to a point where you never tackle your problem. This is only going to become a potential problem if you start using them more often than not. A very real problem from those who use Benzo's on a daily basis to treat their Generalised Anxiety Disorder, but not so much for those who suffer from panic attacks and just use them pro re nata.

That said, please don't be scared. Benzo's can be a very useful tool for treating a very problematic disorder. I've used them on a pro re nata basis for about 5 years now for my generalised anxiety disorder, and they work much better than any other medication I've tried. Which is inclusive of a whole variety of SSRIs/SNRIs/TCAs/Pregabalin/Gabapentin & a few other novel medications, and I'm absolutely fine. I've never had a problem with dependence, addiction or withdrawal due to their use.



Just some of my other thoughts:

- You say 'a low dosage' - I don't think 2mg of Lorazepam is a particularly 'low dose' for the treatment of panic attacks. It's roughly the same as 20mg of Diazepam and a lot of patients are prescribed just 5mg Diazepam for the therapeutic relief of panic attacks, so I wouldn't underestimate that dose. But yeah, in comparison to some long term Benzo users, 2mg may not seem much - so I can understand why you may think that.

- Did you doctor explain they wanted to prescribe you Lorazepam in particular? It is very commonly prescribed for the treatment of panic attacks, so I'm not questioning their decision, but when there are dozens of commonly prescribed Benzo's, it's good to understand the doctor's rationale for picking a particular Benzo over all of the others.

- Did you discuss any other medications such as SSRIs/SNRIs/TCAs/Gabapentin/Pregabalin etc... or even something like Beta Blockers? I don't know where your doctor is based, but in the UK, the first medication to prescribe a patient suffering from panic attacks would be a Beta Blocker such as Propranolol or Atenolol.

- Did you discuss Alprazolam/Xanax at all? It does have quite a bad name because it's so often abused in America, but it is incredibly good at treating panic attacks, and that's what it's most prescribed in the treatment for. It's very similar to Lorazepam/Ativan, but it has a rapid onset of action and is shorter lasting, which is why it's often preferred by those suffering from a panic attack. During a panic attack, you're going to want the drug that works the fastest. Lorazepam isn't slow in it's action, but Alprazolam is often prescribed in preference of other Benzo's due to it's rapid onset, which is usually within just 15 minutes, with a 90% peak of effects within just 1 hour.



I've tried the largely majority of the commonly prescribed Benzo's and Lorazepam notably contributed towards the symptoms of my anxiety. There's a newly emerging body of data suggesting that in higher doses (~4mg), Lorazepam is actually a (insert the name of the word that I've forgotten here!) and significantly contributes towards symptoms of anxiety. This was certainly the case for me, and my brief affair with it only lasted for 2 weeks. That's not to say it wont suit you, but I certainly think that when more papers are published evidencing this, it's rate of prescription will swiftly decline over the next ~5 years or so.
 
I'm sorry to hear that Fresco,
i understand with all my heart.. i haven't driven my nice new car in months because i'm too shaky and have absolutely no confidence in myself (i get attacks behind the wheel too, so yes it's very scary and i'm hoping more than anything that this will pass.. for both of us)
i'm not sure when my first attack was.. my ex-fiance use to beat me quite often, along with my family.. i can recall afterwards running into my closet hyperventilating and realizing there was a real problem anxiety wise with myself. it's so very painful when they come on, so trust that i truly understand.
I'm on a very high dose of Alprazolam, 2mg 3 times daily.. you'd think that would put most people out, and yes it would-- but my chest pains, anxiety, ptsd, and so on is very bad.
I hope we've helped you decide what to do, nobody wants anything to happen to you.. Anxiety can destroy so much, it can put your life on hold if it gets bad. It can destroy you.
I'm here if you have any questions dear.
<3
dishearten

I don't want to derail the thread, but that's really horrible. I really hope you can find a way of controlling and treating your anxiety better than you are able to at the moment :(
 
I don't want to derail the thread, but that's really horrible. I really hope you can find a way of controlling and treating your anxiety better than you are able to at the moment :(

Thank you for the recognition Rybee.. I hope I can too.
It's so difficult in the grey.
I have my own thread open that nobody has responded to yet-- i don't want to steal Fresco's light (:
 
While I strongly disagree with regular/daily longterm benzo use I believe they are very helpful taken only in dire situations that you really need one. A lot of doctors seem to hand them out & prescribe them to be taken every single day, but that only prolongs/worsens your anxiety because once you build up tolerance & dependence they become ineffective & the anxiety seems to come on much worse than before so you end in a cycle of increasing dose and frequency of taking them.

I was prescribed Xanax 1mg tablets to take as needed when I was dealing with Anxiety issues but mine derive only when faced in certain situations like particular social outings or situations like a job interview when I needed more confidence. I remember one time being in a situation where I had to meet my SO's family for the first time whilst going through hardship at the time, and having no confidence at all worrying about what was thought of me & if I hadn't had the Xanax I would have wound up being really hard on myself & probably had been much too shy/anxious to properly greet and get acquainted with them so for that I am grateful for benzos but later on down the line my anxiety increased to the point of having panic attacks after waking up in the morning just feeling absolute dread. I ended up getting moved to Klonopin 2mg tablets for daily use & this led to a downward spiral of dependence on the Benzos such to the point where I needed them JUST to feel normal but the anxiety was no longer deterred. I have since gotten off of them & tapering was much more harsh than anything else I've had to stop like opiates. It was a nightmare.

I suggest trying other medications that will suppress symptoms of anxiety first and see if they work for you whilst having a benzo for extreme situations where you absolutely need a breakthrough med to chill out. Hope the best man, and remember its all your mind causing every bit of it, and you can beat it by changing the way you think. Regular therapy does help quite a bit without the introduction of drugs. Surely your psych started you with that prior to handing you a Benzo?
 
While I strongly disagree with regular/daily longterm benzo use I believe they are very helpful taken only in dire situations that you really need one. A lot of doctors seem to hand them out & prescribe them to be taken every single day, but that only prolongs/worsens your anxiety because once you build up tolerance & dependence they become ineffective & the anxiety seems to come on much worse than before so you end in a cycle of increasing dose and frequency of taking them.

I was prescribed Xanax 1mg tablets to take as needed when I was dealing with Anxiety issues but mine derive only when faced in certain situations like particular social outings or situations like a job interview when I needed more confidence. I remember one time being in a situation where I had to meet my SO's family for the first time whilst going through hardship at the time, and having no confidence at all worrying about what was thought of me & if I hadn't had the Xanax I would have wound up being really hard on myself & probably had been much too shy/anxious to properly greet and get acquainted with them so for that I am grateful for benzos but later on down the line my anxiety increased to the point of having panic attacks after waking up in the morning just feeling absolute dread. I ended up getting moved to Klonopin 2mg tablets for daily use & this led to a downward spiral of dependence on the Benzos such to the point where I needed them JUST to feel normal but the anxiety was no longer deterred. I have since gotten off of them & tapering was much more harsh than anything else I've had to stop like opiates. It was a nightmare.

I suggest trying other medications that will suppress symptoms of anxiety first and see if they work for you whilst having a benzo for extreme situations where you absolutely need a breakthrough med to chill out. Hope the best man, and remember its all your mind causing every bit of it, and you can beat it by changing the way you think. Regular therapy does help quite a bit without the introduction of drugs. Surely your psych started you with that prior to handing you a Benzo?

I completely agree with you Winr,
unfortunately i have been taking a heavy amount daily of Alpraz for years now.. and i cannot imagine myself without them, when i'm without i feel so dead and i can't even talk to anyone, nor leave my bedroom. I already have severe agoraphobia, but when i'm low on my benzo's i go into almost a comatose state where i'm like a ghost with the past haunting me telling me to hurt myself. (i've been a cutter since i was 13, and have had a very bad eating disorder since the same age.. so that is 12 years)

I feel like there is hope with a low dose break through benzo and continuing therapy at least once or twice a month, for those that maybe haven't had such traumatic things in their lives to make them (suicidal, manic, ect. without the medicine) and if you're one of those people, bless you!

It's really difficult to admit how hard it is to get up in the morning, feeling like there's so little. Literally forcing myself to get up and check on my responsibilities. But sometimes i really cannot.

Yes, there are those doctors that will just try to shut you up with a script and send you on your way, but i know there are ones who really care.. it took til a few years ago to find one for me, and finally a therapist that actually wants to help me move forward; take the past and the trauma out of my everyday life, and send it back into the undertow that tries everyday to grab my soul.
But, i have to do that, i have to make sure i don't drown-- that is one thing that is a struggle, morning.. to night.

So yes, i do agree with you very much-- but i also think it does depend on the person and the diagnoses they unfortunately posses.

<3
 
Hi Fresco... welcome to the horrific world of anxiety. I'd be able to advise you better if I can ask a few questions? May I ask:

1) How old are you
38 yr old male

2) How long have you had symptoms of panic attacks?
They just started last 3 months or so. Ruined my whole summer :(

3) Can you explain what your typical panic attack feels like, with time scales of their effects?
I get shakey and I feel like I'm gonna die

4) Do you get any early warning signals that one is coming on, or are they fairly rapid?
They just come and go. I also feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown 24/7

5) Do suffer from nausea/sickness at all?
Dizziness, but I dont feel sick or nausea

6) Finally, do you suffer from significant levels of generalised anxiety at all, or is it all just acute attacks?
Yup, high level of anxiety daily.

I'm also suffering from fatigue
 
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