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Heroin IV VS IN, Started IV use and only need 1/8th of the original dose? Is this normal?

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howdy bluelight.. Ive always dreaded a needle.. Even as an EMT, I never was keen to sticking myself with a needle. However, I figured I'd give it a go.. My tolerance was so high.. (As I thought) It took me 20-30 bags to nod (Snorted) I have a great connect where I get perfectly clean white pow.

I'm not sure about the exact rules however.. I pay half for a hit then normal philly hit and get half if not less the amount.. although its more potent..
My main question is.. Why did it take me 20-30 hits to take me to nod out and then when I did 7 hits IV.. I nodded and had a GREAT rush that I had never experienced before.. Is it possible to snort wrong? I just am amazed..

Thanks in advance.. I just figured BA IN is 50-70% and IV 100%.. Dident think it'd make THAT much of a difference.


Thanks again.. Anyone else have the same thing happen to them? I was very carefull to work up dosage.. as an EMT/Firefighter.. I know you can always work up the dosage if needed.. you can't go back if you do to much the first time..

> ROUSH
 
50% difference is a huge difference, and there are many factors to intranasal dosing that lower the bioavailability consistently. Having seasonal allergies, or any little thing, makes a huge difference in intranasal BA.

Have you considered intra-rectal administration? Safer than IV, but you're an EMT I'm sure you've considered this, and are well aware about how high risk an activity intravenous drug use is, even more so with street drugs like heroin, where you never know the purity/amount of active ingredient.

Are you micron filtering? I really hope so, and I also hope you are not shooting 7 bags at once.
 
as you know, you're getting 100% bio-availability when you're going for the gold. but like tri said, when you're snorting your bags there's a lot of different factors that could fuck it up. & I mean, 20-30 bags of dope is a LOT of fucking powder, so obviously with using that much, some is getting wasted. your membranes can only absorb so much at once.


just be careful man, and remember.... every time you IV, be sure to do a tester shot. you never know when you could get a batch of some fire, and be blue lipped before you even know what happens...
 
Yeah that's why I'm really hoping he's not shooting multiple bags at once. Also, dealers suck at cutting heroin, they do it wrong and this causes some bags to be stronger than others. Plus there is always the off chance that a tiiiiinnny bit of super pure heroin SOMEHOW managed to find its way into your stamp bag, and that shot would be the one that kills you dead.
 
I don't understand, how is 7 hits, if you were taking 20-30 via insufflation, 1/8th the amount?

That's 1/3 or 1/4th the amount, not 1/8th.
 
Remember that IV hits you much faster and much stronger, it is not a surprise at all that 1/3 to 1/4 of the amount would have you on cloud 9.
 
I don't know how stuffing 30 bags of anything up your nose is even possible... that's a crazy amount of powder..I mean.. a crazy amount. How long did it take you to finally get the last bag up into that clogged mess of shit that must have been your nose? Hah. Jesus.

Anyway, it is totally not surprising at all that you'd need a lot less when IV'ing..that's just how it goes, and it's a big reason (however misguided) why many people decide to switch over to shooting up. Doing 7 bags at once isn't unheard of..but that means your dope isn't as good as you think it is, brother..hah. I've had to shoot that much and even more with crappy-mediocre shit, but really good dope—classic shit—you shouldn't need that much in a single shot, at least not for a long while.
 
Hey scagnatti youdaman, I wish I had let you "punch me square in the jaw" for that comment I made during our misunderstanding about OD.

Perfect post. Just wanted to add, yeah shooting 1gram shots is not unheard of, but it's just the same point I mentioned earlier about the possibility for one of the stamp bags to be more pure etc.
 
Sounds about right. I would sniff about 150mg of oxy at a time (roxy 30s...imagine all that powder?) and then when I banged I did about 75 and was BLASTED.
 
tricomb said:
Hey scagnatti youdaman, I wish I had let you "punch me square in the jaw" for that comment I made during our misunderstanding about OD.

Perfect post. Just wanted to add, yeah shooting 1gram shots is not unheard of, but it's just the same point I mentioned earlier about the possibility for one of the stamp bags to be more pure etc.
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Haha, no doubt. You know we're all good. And yeah..one of the many downsides to H is the fact that you can never be 100% on the purity from batch to batch, (or even scarier) bag to bag.. I mean, sure having a reliable source who knows his shit certainly helps minimize the risk..but you still never know. Maybe he had somebody else cut his shit one day or bag it, whatever.. that's all it takes. Maybe his dude isn't totally sure one day and sells him some dope way stronger than he realizes, etc..theres a lot of shit that can go down. You can only be so careful.. some shit is out of your hands and that's something every addict/user needs to understand.. Plenty of dudes use for 30+ years without dropping dead from the crap. But, there are also plenty that don't.. You don't know what category you fall into until the end..ha.
 
Word. ^

All it takes is one bag to leave you blue lipped. I mean, I don't IV, and I've SNIFFED bags, that had me thinking I was gonna fall out... cause I didn't test the shit first. It just happened to be some FIRE.

 
Yeah. Accidents do happen. Though usually, a large quantity is chopped at once, with even amounts of heroin and cut. So that way it's all even and they just bag it out from there, that way no one bag is stronger than the other. They don't want that..as it means that they wasted some of their uncut H on you without getting paid for it.. However, it is possible that lower level dealers who don't buy in that much quantity mix each bag separately, so the chance of one bag being stronger than another is a little stronger. For the most part though, you have to worry about the overall quality of a batch. Which is why tester shots are so important. If you do a tester to gauge the strength, you can be pretty certain that the rest of the bags are the same strength.
 
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