This topic was just brough up by chinky in the Official Heroin Discussion over in Social & Drug discussion for North and South America. Thought it would fit here too.
So what are your thoughts?
IV Users.... Do you regret "picking up" the needle?
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This topic was just brough up by chinky in the Official Heroin Discussion over in Social & Drug discussion for North and South America. Thought it would fit here too.
So what are your thoughts?
Im just gonna copy&paste my reply to chinkys question from that thread into here:
This is a good question, especially since I still sniff my dope but have used the needle at times when I only had a little bit of dope left. I don't think that I am going to use the needle again though. I go back away to school in less than a month, and don't do any dope there so my tolerance never gets crazy since I only use while home from college.
But part of me feels "tainted" since I have crossed that boundary a few times. I would say that since I started sniffing dope in 2006, I have shot up about 12 times. Even though I haven't IV'd much at all considering the amount of time that I have been using, it is still in the back of my head that I have done it.
I can't say that I fully regret it, since I am mainly a sniffer. I have only gotten high from IVing once or twice. I am too afraid of ODing, so I used such a small amount those few times that I did it. I never bought bags and went straight for the needle. I have sniffed them n they were garbage so I knew if I wanted to get high my only chance was if I shot up.
Also, my father is diabetic so has insulin syringes in my house at all times , so I didn't have to purchase them. If the needles were not already in my house, then I would have never IVd.
I guess it sucks that I crossed that line those few times, and never really got high from doing so. I felt pretty grimey when I had a little bruise from IVing. Having to hide that made me feel pretty low.
This is a good question, especially since I still sniff my dope but have used the needle at times when I only had a little bit of dope left. I don't think that I am going to use the needle again though. I go back away to school in less than a month, and don't do any dope there so my tolerance never gets crazy since I only use while home from college.
But part of me feels "tainted" since I have crossed that boundary a few times. I would say that since I started sniffing dope in 2006, I have shot up about 12 times. Even though I haven't IV'd much at all considering the amount of time that I have been using, it is still in the back of my head that I have done it.
I can't say that I fully regret it, since I am mainly a sniffer. I have only gotten high from IVing once or twice. I am too afraid of ODing, so I used such a small amount those few times that I did it. I never bought bags and went straight for the needle. I have sniffed them n they were garbage so I knew if I wanted to get high my only chance was if I shot up.
Also, my father is diabetic so has insulin syringes in my house at all times , so I didn't have to purchase them. If the needles were not already in my house, then I would have never IVd.
I guess it sucks that I crossed that line those few times, and never really got high from doing so. I felt pretty grimey when I had a little bruise from IVing. Having to hide that made me feel pretty low.
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I did a lot of damge i just wish i did not abuse it so much already.
funkgerm
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This question is really interesting to me because while I completely regret using a needle for the first time, I now would never ever use any other ROA. Once I switched over to IV, there was no way I could go back to sniffing. It's a double edged sword. I hate the fact that I have track marks that I have to hide, but I also love the feeling I get from a nice shot of dope.
Also, the needle took me down the spiral much quicker than sniffing did. Before I started shooting everything in my life was somewhat OK. After 3 months of shooting dope I was completely strung out.
It's definitely a love/hate relationship, but if I could go back in time and tell my old self one thing it would be not to pick up the needle.
Also, the needle took me down the spiral much quicker than sniffing did. Before I started shooting everything in my life was somewhat OK. After 3 months of shooting dope I was completely strung out.
It's definitely a love/hate relationship, but if I could go back in time and tell my old self one thing it would be not to pick up the needle.
oh you can never go back . once you shoot dope as a regular thing and the way you always do it even if you quit for 6 months and decide to get high again you gonna use a needle. it aint even a question of goin back. once you feel that you want to shoot EVERYTHING. you get oxys, you want to shoot em, you get pills, you get coke, w/ever. you shoot it. its the weirdest thing. the way you just dont even wanna fuck with other ways, once you introduce the needle thats it, its the most efficient and direct way and its the only thing youll even consider.
i hear you too, funkgerm...You can use the shit for a while but once you start booting, in 2 weeks of shooting every day you will already be gettin so sick and so fuckin strung out that you would feel like you been bootin it for 2 years. it just takes it to a whole new level. bein addicted, its bein addicted, yea.....it is...and i aint sayin you aint addicted if you sniff...only that it seems like once you start bootin shit just gets real. all the "dopehead" stereotypes about bein totally strung the fuck out and stealin shit, pawning shit, just bein a complete fuckin mess, bein stupid and desperate, doin risky things, just goin out of control--that shit dont ever seem to happen until you start bootin it.
i feel like when you boot dope and thats your regular way of doin it that your addiction becomes more urgent....its more intense....in a way that you never quie experience it when you just a sniffer...
i cant even say i regret it cuz after all the shit i been thru it changed who i am, and thats who i am now so if anything was different i wouldnt be me......but i think its alot easier to say that, after you get clean and stop using....becuz when i was gettin high every shot i took i wish that one would be the one to end my life and just get it over with....
one thing i can say....is that once you get on that shit...once you start bootin on the regular , once you felt that REAL rush...that super high, from a fatty-ass shot of dope....and once you get used to your "get well" thing being "shoot 8 bags and immedatly fall off into oblivion" instead of "sniff somethin and wait 10 minuteas to feel better" there aint no goin back....
i hear you too, funkgerm...You can use the shit for a while but once you start booting, in 2 weeks of shooting every day you will already be gettin so sick and so fuckin strung out that you would feel like you been bootin it for 2 years. it just takes it to a whole new level. bein addicted, its bein addicted, yea.....it is...and i aint sayin you aint addicted if you sniff...only that it seems like once you start bootin shit just gets real. all the "dopehead" stereotypes about bein totally strung the fuck out and stealin shit, pawning shit, just bein a complete fuckin mess, bein stupid and desperate, doin risky things, just goin out of control--that shit dont ever seem to happen until you start bootin it.
i feel like when you boot dope and thats your regular way of doin it that your addiction becomes more urgent....its more intense....in a way that you never quie experience it when you just a sniffer...
i cant even say i regret it cuz after all the shit i been thru it changed who i am, and thats who i am now so if anything was different i wouldnt be me......but i think its alot easier to say that, after you get clean and stop using....becuz when i was gettin high every shot i took i wish that one would be the one to end my life and just get it over with....
one thing i can say....is that once you get on that shit...once you start bootin on the regular , once you felt that REAL rush...that super high, from a fatty-ass shot of dope....and once you get used to your "get well" thing being "shoot 8 bags and immedatly fall off into oblivion" instead of "sniff somethin and wait 10 minuteas to feel better" there aint no goin back....
I've been IV'ing opioids and cocaine for a few years now and I have been fortunate enough not to run into any problems YET. So I'd have to answer, no, I don't "regret picking up the needle". This is not to say my answer may change over time.
I try to keep it in my head as just another ROA; but you guys are right about the rush being hard to avoid--unless I'm taking something like oxycodone, then I feel no need to IV and just eat/insufflate since there is no real rush IME--hydromorphone on the other hand, that's a different game. Does anyone have a similar opinion? That it really depends on the drug being used or your surroundings?
i.e If I'm home having a couple brews with my parents, I may go for a line; but, never would I go get jacked in my room.
I try to keep it in my head as just another ROA; but you guys are right about the rush being hard to avoid--unless I'm taking something like oxycodone, then I feel no need to IV and just eat/insufflate since there is no real rush IME--hydromorphone on the other hand, that's a different game. Does anyone have a similar opinion? That it really depends on the drug being used or your surroundings?
i.e If I'm home having a couple brews with my parents, I may go for a line; but, never would I go get jacked in my room.
Captain.Heroin
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I do not regret it at all. There is something else I do regret, but that is immaterial to this thread's scope.
I have all of my veins, no serious IV complications, and am very responsible with what I use. I also micron filter pills that I inject now.
I have all of my veins, no serious IV complications, and am very responsible with what I use. I also micron filter pills that I inject now.
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Carl Landrover
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No.
Nothing worse happened to me than had already happened regarding dope.
Tolerance went up more and I did have trouble registering the last time I shot because I didn't rotate shooting spots enough. Other than that the only other change was that I now only want to shoot dope. If I get it and sniff it, it seems like a waste.
It didn't make me more into dope or make me more addicted or anything like that. In fact, for the first time since I've really done dope, I not only don't crave it, but I think it actually sounds gross. Spending 40 minutes poking myself with a needle, just trying to register, really disgusted me. It disgusted me so much, that H no longer has any kind of appeal.
I'm not condoning shooting up, but I was actually glad I did it for a while. I learned how to shoot and got to go through a honeymoon phase with it where I was hitting on my first try, slamming my way to oblivion. The only reason I liked that was because I felt like I really got to experience H, the way so many other people have described it beforehand.
If something shitty had happened, I'm sure I'd have a different opinion. For now though it doesn't sound appealing whatsoever to me, but I'm glad I have the experience and that I know how to shoot up (if for whatever reason I had to).
Nothing worse happened to me than had already happened regarding dope.
Tolerance went up more and I did have trouble registering the last time I shot because I didn't rotate shooting spots enough. Other than that the only other change was that I now only want to shoot dope. If I get it and sniff it, it seems like a waste.
It didn't make me more into dope or make me more addicted or anything like that. In fact, for the first time since I've really done dope, I not only don't crave it, but I think it actually sounds gross. Spending 40 minutes poking myself with a needle, just trying to register, really disgusted me. It disgusted me so much, that H no longer has any kind of appeal.
I'm not condoning shooting up, but I was actually glad I did it for a while. I learned how to shoot and got to go through a honeymoon phase with it where I was hitting on my first try, slamming my way to oblivion. The only reason I liked that was because I felt like I really got to experience H, the way so many other people have described it beforehand.
If something shitty had happened, I'm sure I'd have a different opinion. For now though it doesn't sound appealing whatsoever to me, but I'm glad I have the experience and that I know how to shoot up (if for whatever reason I had to).
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No. It's gonna fuck your life up either way, might as well get a decent high in the meantime.
Captain.Heroin
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Many shitty things happened to me while I was addicted to heroin and it didn't change my opinion.
To this day I am injecting at least 4 to 6 times per day on average, and I am doing much better in life now than I was (when I was addicted to snorting heroin). I haven't used heroin in over 22 and a half months.
I understand that many people would have a negative opinion, and regret regarding their decisions if negative things happen to them. The only other way I can expand about this would be by rambling on about my philosophical beliefs about my life, which people have previously objected to in the past.
phatass
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for me a defnate YES... because i would shoot up 200mg of morphine, 2 mg"s loprazolam and 100mg of promethazine... i think its the promethazine that fucked up my veins in arms and most of my hands, by collapsing the vein i think...
I would allways use micron filters and cleean material/environlebt... but it didn't stop me, after 1 vein collapsed i hd to move onn to another... stupidly not thinking of why my last vein had cullapsed...
i then stopped using for 2 years with the needle, and just started up again, desperately looking for "good" veins.. so i started hitting up the feet with buprenorphine/loprazolam, first shit went down ok, second shot waas absolutely pointless, i must have spiked mmyself 20 times, before the needle was blunter then when i was bleeding all over the place, and each time i tried to ut the needle in it would hurt as hellll... so i ended u sniffing the solution in my syringe (bupe and loprazolam can both be sniffes), witha bit of water it went down smoothly
so i blame the promethazine, coz i knew people who shot up morphine and bupe, with none of this collapsing vein shit....
but after tonights experience i guess i'll just pack up it up for good...
allthough if i do get some gpure liquid ket, or some 2Cx's, i would probbly IM then....
SO yeas, i don't "blame the needle) i made bad decisions with the needle... but i think IV is over for me now.... (unless i get some really good H) inn which case i'll probably try again...
hope this made sense i got200mg valium in me+various other downers
I would allways use micron filters and cleean material/environlebt... but it didn't stop me, after 1 vein collapsed i hd to move onn to another... stupidly not thinking of why my last vein had cullapsed...
i then stopped using for 2 years with the needle, and just started up again, desperately looking for "good" veins.. so i started hitting up the feet with buprenorphine/loprazolam, first shit went down ok, second shot waas absolutely pointless, i must have spiked mmyself 20 times, before the needle was blunter then when i was bleeding all over the place, and each time i tried to ut the needle in it would hurt as hellll... so i ended u sniffing the solution in my syringe (bupe and loprazolam can both be sniffes), witha bit of water it went down smoothly
so i blame the promethazine, coz i knew people who shot up morphine and bupe, with none of this collapsing vein shit....
but after tonights experience i guess i'll just pack up it up for good...
allthough if i do get some gpure liquid ket, or some 2Cx's, i would probbly IM then....
SO yeas, i don't "blame the needle) i made bad decisions with the needle... but i think IV is over for me now.... (unless i get some really good H) inn which case i'll probably try again...
hope this made sense i got200mg valium in me+various other downers
Captain.Heroin
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Phatass - I think it has something to do with pH of the solution. I have had to dilute hydroxyzine and only use 5mg or less per shot.
Did it sting to shoot 100mg promethazine?
Did it sting to shoot 100mg promethazine?
I used the nose for a long time before picking up the needle, but I can't say It went one way or the other when I started. Shooting up is a lot of fun and I guess financially speaking it is responsible.
There are a lot of terrible stigma's that we all have heard a million times about using the needle, but like a lot of the propaganda out there, its mostly just boogie man type shit. When proper care is taken in all ways, using the needle can be very nearly or as safe as other ROA's
At this point in my use of opiates even a lot of my addicted friends consider the needle pure evil, which I always find hilarious. People tend to believe that the needle an inanimate object is evil, just as they believe with drugs by themselves. And people who use the needle lack ethics, morals, and any grasp on humanity. At this point in my life I'm a college student I do alright, have a life and "shoot up" on a regular basis. It is just another ROA to me at this point. I have no regrets, other than touching opiates in the first place
But... Even though my ethics are straight it's very possible that the stigma which most people carry about injection, and their judgments of me could harm my life worse than the drugs themselves, which is something that one must consider when contemplating this
There are a lot of terrible stigma's that we all have heard a million times about using the needle, but like a lot of the propaganda out there, its mostly just boogie man type shit. When proper care is taken in all ways, using the needle can be very nearly or as safe as other ROA's
At this point in my use of opiates even a lot of my addicted friends consider the needle pure evil, which I always find hilarious. People tend to believe that the needle an inanimate object is evil, just as they believe with drugs by themselves. And people who use the needle lack ethics, morals, and any grasp on humanity. At this point in my life I'm a college student I do alright, have a life and "shoot up" on a regular basis. It is just another ROA to me at this point. I have no regrets, other than touching opiates in the first place
But... Even though my ethics are straight it's very possible that the stigma which most people carry about injection, and their judgments of me could harm my life worse than the drugs themselves, which is something that one must consider when contemplating this
I would never support how there is so much of a stigma about bootin up. but the thing is alot of yall on here just dont even understand how bad it gets. becuz of your resources, etc. the college kids in middle class land shootin up with micron filters and new needles everytime and rotate injection sites, etc, thats all great....but once you start fuckin up, or when you aint got those resources to begin with, and you dont live that kind of perfect model-drug-user life thats when all the shit that you been told about the needle does come true.
Shootin up with Gatorade, or sprite, or snow that you grabbed off the side of the road on the block that you just copped your dope on, cuz you aint got no water and cant afford water and you so fucking sick that you cant even be bothered to wait the 10 minute til you can get to a bathroom thats safe enough to shoot up in and use their water...so you take the snow in your bottle and blow the heat vents on it til it melts and shoot up with that....or tryin to catch rain water with your bottle as you drive away from the spot...shit like that....Sittin pokin your self over and over for 45 minutes or a hour, just tryna get a shot in your fuked-up-ass veins....the skeezy, scuzzy shit that you do, it happens...and it may not happen at the beginning of your "im so in control" phase but you go long enough and it will....
I aint sayin that you guys are missin out cuz you aint haha.....jus sayin, that when you from this kind of environment that so many of yall seems to be from, this kinda upper middle class college kid type shit, where you got a perfect lil pharmacy kit that you use each time you boot up and you never do anything even slightly unsanitary when you boot up...So you never known how it feels to just shoot up anywhere you can, to OD in stairwells of apartment buildings, to be out on the street and have to make do with anything you can...to share needles and not think twice becuz you are so sick you cant even bother...and shit like that...you DO do it, it DOES happen, it aint just myths...And i dont like how people treat iv drug users look down on them how i got treated in my years of shootin dope....and thebias and stereotypes do hurt and make you mad...but alot of that shit does happen and it aint just boogie man myths meant to scare you becuz you can go down so low
Shootin up with Gatorade, or sprite, or snow that you grabbed off the side of the road on the block that you just copped your dope on, cuz you aint got no water and cant afford water and you so fucking sick that you cant even be bothered to wait the 10 minute til you can get to a bathroom thats safe enough to shoot up in and use their water...so you take the snow in your bottle and blow the heat vents on it til it melts and shoot up with that....or tryin to catch rain water with your bottle as you drive away from the spot...shit like that....Sittin pokin your self over and over for 45 minutes or a hour, just tryna get a shot in your fuked-up-ass veins....the skeezy, scuzzy shit that you do, it happens...and it may not happen at the beginning of your "im so in control" phase but you go long enough and it will....
I aint sayin that you guys are missin out cuz you aint haha.....jus sayin, that when you from this kind of environment that so many of yall seems to be from, this kinda upper middle class college kid type shit, where you got a perfect lil pharmacy kit that you use each time you boot up and you never do anything even slightly unsanitary when you boot up...So you never known how it feels to just shoot up anywhere you can, to OD in stairwells of apartment buildings, to be out on the street and have to make do with anything you can...to share needles and not think twice becuz you are so sick you cant even bother...and shit like that...you DO do it, it DOES happen, it aint just myths...And i dont like how people treat iv drug users look down on them how i got treated in my years of shootin dope....and thebias and stereotypes do hurt and make you mad...but alot of that shit does happen and it aint just boogie man myths meant to scare you becuz you can go down so low
nicksndimes
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The main regret I have tied to using a rig is the increase in tolerance. Back in my snorting days, I could snort a dime and it would seem to last all day,(Not saying that I wasn't doing more than a dime on most days), but when I starting shooting, the buzz is there for a minute, then seeming gone completely. It definitely makes you go through more dope, which can lead you to some pretty shitty ways of getting more. So yes, I do regret picking up the needle, but at the same time, it seems like it was inevitable considering the people I associate with and the environments I put myself in.
dankstersauce
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I probably should regret picking up the needle but I don't. It was fun.
I didn't realize how fucked up I was until I stopped. (Well I haven't stopped completely but I haven't used in a few months). When I was still using I was only surrounded by people who used and I was so wrapped up in the daily routine I didn't even have time to think about where my life was headed. The only thing that mattered was the next fix. But after fucking over my family way way way too many times and eventually getting arrested I finally realized "fuck I gotta chill on this". And that was 4 years ago. And I've continued to fuck up here and there.
But I still don't completely regret it.
I didn't realize how fucked up I was until I stopped. (Well I haven't stopped completely but I haven't used in a few months). When I was still using I was only surrounded by people who used and I was so wrapped up in the daily routine I didn't even have time to think about where my life was headed. The only thing that mattered was the next fix. But after fucking over my family way way way too many times and eventually getting arrested I finally realized "fuck I gotta chill on this". And that was 4 years ago. And I've continued to fuck up here and there.
But I still don't completely regret it.
General alcazar
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I gotta say I see the appeal of IV and some of the most intense drug experiences I've had have been IVing meth, cocaine, heroin, 5meoDMT, DPT, MDPV and methylone to name a few but i never joined the cult of the needle so to speak. I'm an accomplished phlebotomist so i never really struggled to find veins or get gear and as far as i'm concerned it is as safe a roa as any other if done properly (ie when not dope sick or poor). The effect of most substances are completely different and in may cases much more intense - well worth the effort.
So yes I am thankful for the needle...
So yes I am thankful for the needle...