IV use of the DOx series

[Sherminator2]

I want to try using DOM and DOC soon, but the long duration bothers me and I would like to decrease it. I have tried Dox orally and nasally and I am experienced with many psychs, even IV. I have I'Vd 2c-i, MDMA, Ketamine, etc.
My question is is it safe to IV a low dose of a DOx compound, specifically DOM and DOC. What would the duration be? and problems?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I'd imagine it can be done, although I have no idea what the dosage would be and how hard it would be on your veins.
This would be good to try to reduce duration.
I'm not sure how one would prepare them for IV though considering the low doses required even for oral dosage

 

[psood0nym]

I've IM'd DOM for this same reason, and because I wanted to get more doses out of a small sample. The onset this way was less than an hour, similar to aMT, another slow one. Also like aMT, the total duration is reduced but still quite long. But yes, the total duration will be reduced, even if that mostly means just cutting quiet a bit off the time to plateau. I don't remember the dose unfortunately, and never took it orally. Assume at least double the potency of oral, probably more. I'd try a one or two mg dose to get a few threshold/+1 effects to see where they put me and how long they last first.

 

[Sherminator2]

In terms of preparation i'm set I have access to a mg accuraccy scale, so I can just dissolve the dose of DOC/M into some water and shoot. I'm just curious to what extent IV administration of DOC or DOM would decrease the duration and the time it takes to kick in. I'd also like to get any dose suggestions from anyone who's tried it themselves or just an educated guess. If anyone knows the bioavailability of DOM or DOC orally that would be helpful, as that would show how much more potent IV administration would be.

 

[abrad84]

I once witnessed somebody IV 3mg of DOC. They described it as being extremely intense and had to be cared for during the peak. The overall duration was not reduced.

 

[Sherminator2]

^ How long did it take to take effect? Did it kick in faster even if the total duration remained the same? Thanks.

 

[GreenMachine]

how much experience do you have with the DOx series? seems like this would be pretty intense.

 

[Sherminator2]

Not a ton with the DOx series, but very experienced with psychedelics in general. It's obviously not something I'm going to jump into which is why I'm asking for more information. The main reason I haven't used DOM/DOC more is because it is hard to find the time for a 16-24 hour trip, so my interest in IV use was largely in the interests of keeping the duration down. If I get confirmation of what abrad84 said and the duration IV would be just as long (especially if the come up is still quite long) I am going to stick with oral dosing.

 

[abrad84]

Onset was not significantly reduced IIRC. The person could feel it immediately but it took a while to reach peak effects. This was a few years ago and my memory is a little hazy though I do remember the person in question saying they would not repeat the experience. I'll speak to them and see if they have further details.

 

[zn13bt]

A couple times with DOC I set my alarm a couple hours early, got up and took my dose and then went back to sleep. Then when I woke up at my normal time I was already starting to trip, and that night I was able to go to sleep at a reasonable time.

 

[EarthBounded]

If you have not already done this you should completely reconsider what you are getting into and asking. I knew people IV'ing mephedrone back in the day, I will say I have more respect for Heroin addicts. I'm not saying that too be rude but you are disrespecting yourself and the community here at bluelight by asking this. There is a fine line between harm reduction and plain recklessness, reckless threads should be closed quickly just like sourcing threads, all this does is gives others the idea which is not harm reduction and is not ok.

 

[psy997]

If you have not already done this you should completely reconsider what you are getting into and asking. I knew people IV'ing mephedrone back in the day, I will say I have more respect for Heroin addicts. I'm not saying that too be rude but you are disrespecting yourself and the community here at bluelight by asking this. There is a fine line between harm reduction and plain recklessness, reckless threads should be closed quickly just like sourcing threads, all this does is gives others the idea which is not harm reduction and is not ok.

I'm sorry but how is this disrespectful and reckless? He's trying to achieve a short duration from using a different ROA. He's shown he knows how to dilute into the right solution and dosage.

We can't be so closed minded as to let the concept of IM/IV use be synonymous with addiction/recklessness.

 

[Help?!?!]

If you have not already done this you should completely reconsider what you are getting into and asking. I knew people IV'ing mephedrone back in the day, I will say I have more respect for Heroin addicts. I'm not saying that too be rude but you are disrespecting yourself and the community here at bluelight by asking this. There is a fine line between harm reduction and plain recklessness, reckless threads should be closed quickly just like sourcing threads, all this does is gives others the idea which is not harm reduction and is not ok.

Or rather.......people with one thinking being permabanned?!? Think first.....your own experience might not always dawn a better looking suit upon another, good sir!

 

[Rayalt]

If you have not already done this you should completely reconsider what you are getting into and asking. I knew people IV'ing mephedrone back in the day, I will say I have more respect for Heroin addicts. I'm not saying that too be rude but you are disrespecting yourself and the community here at bluelight by asking this. There is a fine line between harm reduction and plain recklessness, reckless threads should be closed quickly just like sourcing threads, all this does is gives others the idea which is not harm reduction and is not ok.

IV'ing mephedrone has nothing whatsoever to do with IVing DOC except the ROA which is inherently neither good or bad. I've seen people be absolute monsters while snorting cocaine, using your logic people snorting DPT are absolute garbage and disrespecting the community.

I don't see much recklessness about what this thread about. It's about discussing an idea regarding the benefits & difference of it. This is exactly what bluelight is all about. By knowing differences, risks, and what to expect you are practicing harm reduction. For fucks sake, have you ever even looked at Other Drugs? There are open Heroin addicts that post here, It's good to know what you think about our fellow members.

As for the topic of IVing DOC, you are pretty ballsy Sherminator2, but the idea is very novel. I personally would not IV, but stick to IM, whenever I have IV'd a psychedelic it's been just a bit ridiculous, one second you are sober the next you are just gone. Giving yourself the 5-15 minutes that IM has can give you time to adjust mentally to what is happening as well as reducing possible nausea from the serotonin activity that psychedelics can cause. The one time I IV'd 5-MeO-DMT was a vomit fest for the first ten minutes, but 5-MeO-DMT is known for causing that even orally or snorted.

My single experience with DOC was a 24 hour trip mostly just delegated to sex, and that was 2mg bucally. If you do this, I would start low somewhere around 250 or 500 mcg and see what happens. I would still expect a 16ish hour trip at least.

 

[thatdreamer123]

that just sounds too hardcore in sort of a funny way.

i just imagine a drug rehab circle, "yeah i really like IVing DOx" and everyone gives the guy a really odd look`

sounds awful

 

[EarthBounded]

There is no value to IV'ing a psychedelic that will be active within 1/2 hour sublingually, let alone something that is born in an unknown lab. I figured there would be some people debating this however when someone googles how to take DOC or DOI and they come across this thread it might lead them to think its a good idea, when IV'ing this substance could be deadly, I have read countless reports of seizures and foaming at the mouth when its simply ingested, I would imagine IV'ing is much more dangerous then ingesting or sublingually administering this substance.

Some people here think the answer to everything is " Oh its FOR harm reduction so its ok " But is it really or does it give others the idea? Give me any pharmacological evidence on why IV'ing the DOx is beneficial or necessary, also how much will this really cut the duration? Or is it just going to have a slightly quicker onset? If you don't like the duration why do you even take this drug would be my question? There are many other alternatives that last shorter that 8-20 hours.

And whomever said that IV'ing Mephedrone and DOx is incredibly wrong, I was referring to how nasty it is when someone gets a package in the mail from China and then Immediately bangs it, I have seen it on the street before and it is fucking nasty, at least with Heroin your just banging an alkaloid from plant matter not something of synthetic nature?

I would like a mods serious opinion on this if possible, mainly on how much it would cut the duration of the trip and if it would even be worth it

 

[bingey]

^
The problem with street heroin just like with mail-ordered stuff is you are never really sure what's going into your veins. Doesn't really matter if it's natural or not it's all about trust I guess. And I think you should get off your soapbox , there are plenty of IM ket users for instance who keep their shit together. Not too many opiate IV users manage to do the same. So it's apples and oranges IMO.

 

[Toz]

And whomever said that IV'ing Mephedrone and DOx is incredibly wrong, I was referring to how nasty it is when someone gets a package in the mail from China and then Immediately bangs it, I have seen it on the street before and it is fucking nasty, at least with Heroin your just banging an alkaloid from plant matter not something of synthetic nature?

So tired of comments like these. What's the damn difference between shooting up a chemical that's synthetically made in a laboratory in china compared to shooting up heroin which is extracted from plant matter by farmers in afghanistan. Actually the chinese laboratory sounds like the safer option to me. The chemicals from china are for the most part not cut with anything, the risk you are taking is that there may be leftover impurities but my money is still on the chinese chemists getting it done better than the poor farmers in the third world countries.

Natural or synthetic, they are all chemicals and there is no difference.

 

[Rayalt]

And whomever said that IV'ing Mephedrone and DOx is incredibly wrong, I was referring to how nasty it is when someone gets a package in the mail from China and then Immediately bangs it, I have seen it on the street before and it is fucking nasty, at least with Heroin your just banging an alkaloid from plant matter not something of synthetic nature?

This is one of the funniest things I've read on BL ever. Yeah, at least with Heroin you're shooting something from a plant! Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Transform]

If anyone has a problem with a thread being in PD they should use the report function to bring it to the attention of the staff. Failure to do this is likely to result in us not noticing it.

While IV drug use is inherently more dangerous than other ROAs, that does not mean we should ban discussion. A huge part of HR is the fight to be able to speak openly about drug use, so that we can offer help without judgement or stigma. We have to objectively and clearly give the facts and then let people let their own decisions.

On topic - The DOx series are obviously extremely potent, and IV use further narrows the safe-dose margins. If you want to go ahead with this then you should be volumetrically dosing and titrate your dose up slowly. I would expect the dosage to be less than half the oral dose.

I have vaporised DOC and found the duration do be around 12 hours, the dose to be about 40% and the comeup to be very fast, with the plateau in an hour or less.

I would strongly recommend this as an alternative ROA as it is easy to vaporise over the course of an hour, allowing you much more lenience with the dose.

Good luck and please be careful. It would be very useful if you could return with any results so that this thread really can reduce harm for future readers.