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IV question

lattrommi

lattrommi

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does anyone know if there is a difference between the human hypo's and the animal hypo's?
my job sells them in bulk, and i get a 25% discount, so i thought i could try and save a few bucks.
i think they might be the same, but i'm wondering if they use less sharp ones for animals, or something of the like.
and on a similer note, 29 gauge is recomended since it's th thinnest, but how thick is too thick? 25? 20? i've only used 29's so far, and haven't really seen any other size.
 
i dont think there is a difference, besides the size.
for guage size, thats up to you. i've heard that with 27 guage, you still cant feel the needle, but once you get past that, i dunno... the needles start to get pretty big.
outer diameters by guage:
29 - 0.330 mm
27 - 0.406 mm
25 - 0.508 mm
20 - 0.902 mm
 
Originally posted by Option2:
No, there is no difference.
do you know for sure? you can't just say that and expect me to trust you. i like prrof of some sort, or at least a good explanation as to how you know there is no difference.
as for needle size, the smallest they sell them at my source, is 25. so that's definately pushing the limit. a third of a millimeter to a half millimeter approximately. both are so small it's hard to get an idea as to what it's like. especially since i have little experience with needles.
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I don't know about animal vs human needles, but when it comes to gauge size:
For IV, I wouldn't go below 26. They use 21 g for drawing blood often, but 'they' are trained professionals and they only target very large veins.
For IM, you could go as low as 21. Not fun, but not terribly dangerous.
Personally, I'd rather not inject than go below 28 g for IV or below 25 g for IM.
 
i've had many pets for years and i've only ever seen a vet use a b&d 29 gauge needle. when i worked in a cattery that's all we used as well.
i can't offer you any proof other then that, but maybe if you looked for online veteranary supply you could get an idea of what is used.
google is your friend.
 
I ordered a box a like a year ago and the bastards sent 25s...they weren't terribly bad
Also the clinic has given me 25s before too on a couple occasions
 
a couple more questions about IV's and the iv faq
in the f.a.q. it says "they also make a "short needle" version of the Ultra-Fine, YOU DON'T WANT THIS! I will explain why later.." but it's never really explained later. why do you not want these, how short are they, and what is the recomended needle length?
in my research online, i've come across 3 brands of needles as well.
b&d, monoject, and terumo. is there any difference between these? my guess is there is none, but if i'm wrong, please let me know!
i've read the faq up down, and labored over every point. it is a very good faq, but there are a few points, like the ones i've asked about, which could use a bit of clarification.
especially this "lets say you're right handed.. take your left arm and place it on top of your right leg, now cross your right leg over the top of your left arm - press down with your leg and apply pressure..." is this physically possible? or am i not reading it right?
like i said, i'm still new new to injection, and have only done it twice now, with the help of others (who i don't think knew what they were doing)
 
does anyone know if there is a difference between the human hypo's and the animal hypo's?
I'm not aware of any company that produces needles specifically for use on animals. Any time I've ever been to the vet, they use the exact same BD brand needles you'd see at a hospital.
I'm sure it's quite possible that there are companies that make needles specifically for vetrinary use, but I would assume this is simply because in some cases the needles would need to be of gauges larger than you would use on a human.
At any rate, nobody is going to make a dull needle. Human use or not.
The only thing that matters is the gauge and length of the needle, not if it's intended for use on animals or not.
However, BD makes the highest quality needles. Less chance of getting something with a barb on it and BD will typically stay sharper longer than other brands. So if you can get BD 29 gauges, you should get those instead of trying to save money. But it shouldn't make THAT much of a difference either way.
And as others have said, do not use anything larger than a 26 gauge needle for IV drug use.
For IV, I wouldn't go below 26. They use 21 g for drawing blood often, but 'they' are trained professionals and they only target very large veins.
As far as I'm concerned, trained or not, these "professionals" are usually not very good at giving injections and leave you with bruises and crap. I can only recall one phlembotomist giving me a decent injection.
in the f.a.q. it says "they also make a "short needle" version of the Ultra-Fine, YOU DON'T WANT THIS! I will explain why later.." but it's never really explained later. why do you not want these, how short are they, and what is the recomended needle length?
Because even though a vein might look as though it's right underneath the surface of the skin, they're usually deeper than they look.
If you use a short needle, it's much more difficult to get into the vein and you stand a good chance of the needle coming out of the vein while you're injecting and getting a bubble under your skin.
It's not impossible to give yourself an injection with a short needle, I've done it before. But it's difficult and can be dangerous if you miss the vein.
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Yeah, definetly go with the 1/2inch needle. A couple of times when I have specifically requested "BD ultrafine 1cc 1/2inch syringes" the pharmacist has given me the 1/4" needles, and they really suck. Seems like every other time I use one of those I accidently pull the needle out a little bit and inject a couple units into my skin.
 
Use the 29 gauge "insulin syringes". I've used 25 gauge animal grade needles on more than a few occasions, I find them slightly more painfull but easier to use.
 
Originally posted by lattrommi:

do you know for sure? you can't just say that and expect me to trust you.
I've used'em both. If you're doing an IV injection, you're looking for anything between a 27 and a 29....go with a 28-29ga.
Call me a pin cushion. I've stuck everysize needle in almost every part of my body.
Suck it up.
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WARNING: this reply is in NO WAY harm reduction!
I've used 29 and 28g needles. If you rely on your points staying sharp and you ignore the part in the FAQ that says "never use a needle twice", then go with the lower gauge. It seems that 28g Precisions are good for 15+ IVs. Maybe more! These fits are built to last. You can completely wear down the dosing information to the point where you have an almost blank syringe, and you can still expect that red puff of blood.
BTW, cut me some slack, I'm from NJ where you need a script for fits. Sharing is caring!! Let the flames begin.
Now where are the mods? Is this reply deletable?
FUCK PLUR, GET HIGH!!!
[ 27 October 2002: Message edited by: Ketamike ]
 
^^^
Using blunt rigs is a good way to fuck up your veins. But I guess we are all a little guilty of that :) .
 
Originally posted by Ketamike:
{if} you ignore the part in the FAQ that says "never use a needle twice", then go with the lower gauge. It seems that 28g Precisions are good for 15+ IVs. Maybe more! [ 27 October 2002: Message edited by: Ketamike ]
so in a way you are saying that the bigger once are more reuseable in sense? i can see how that would make sense, but on a microscopic level, it's still getting a lot duller every time, no matter what, isn't it?
not that i ever plan on reusing, or even making a habit out of iv. (although doesn't everyone say that the first time?)
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If you are using them for heroin, I love how you want to make sure the syringes are safe, yet you are injecting street grade heroin that can only be described as "undetermined quality" that is probally cut to shit with god only knows what. Not that I have a problem with that, I just don't see the consistency.
 
i'm actually not using them for herion.
i have iv-ed street herion once before, but due to that very fact that i have no clue what's really in it, i'm not planning on ever doing it again.
 
Whoa whoa whoa, everybody hold on for just one second! For those newbies and undecided IV users out there I am outraged at this nonsense about short needle being bad. I've been shooting alot of Heroin lately and I've been comparing 2 syringes. The trusted and classic 'BD 29g 1cc Ultra-fine' VS. the much newer and sleeker (not to mention sexier) 'BD 30g 1cc Ultra-fine II Short Needle'. And I for one think the 30g short needle is a godsend! BD made it for a reason. Like it says on the package, easier and more comfortable use.
Ok, here's the deal for those who have shot so many poor injections that just about every surface vein is outta the question. You guys can use your animal needles and what not.
However, those of us, the majority I hope, inject into surface veins, lots of us use that mainline at the inner elbow. With a regular 29g Ultra, i have gone in the vein and out the other end alot when I try putting the needle in ALL the way. I find it easier and steadier to shoot and not jiggle the rig when the needle is in all the way. Sometimes I just can't do that with the regular 29g. Enter the 30g Short Needle. Try hitting the same inner elbow spot and see what happens. The needle slips in unnoticed and you can push it ALL THE WAY IN and it's square in the vein. A drunken hillbilly could execute a perfect shot with these babies. The length is made by BD specifically to make it that much easier to hit those surface veins. Oh, and track marks with a 30g needle?? I think not! I suggest everybody go out a buy a pack of 'BD 1cc Ultra-fine II Short Needles', I know I did today. They work great with H. Haven't tried em out with pills yet. The solution could be too syrupy to fit into the 30g. But these are my #1 H needles. I'm almost track free as I keep shooting round the clock!
Disclaimer: If any of that stuff made no sense at all or I just typed random shit or something, I apologize, I'm doped up and without sleep. If any clarification is needed, just ask.
And PS. Dude, don't use animal needles. Spend the extra $.50 or whatever. It's worth it.
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1) There is no difference between syringes sold for use in animals and humans - just double check to ensure it's a sterile product and of course make sure the gauge is right ..
2) As for short needles not being used - for a neophite user I stand by what I wrote, though in the latest version of the FAQ I revised this and explained how the short needles can be used - for a newbie IV users I find the long needle is much better simply as you have more to work with, I wrote the FAQ based on question I recieved from newbie users, and MANY, MANY expresed great frustration with the shorts as they couldnt hit the vein or else they would end up comming out mid-shot and end up with a bruise...
 
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