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IV prep for Mylan Morphine Sulphate ER
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I thought the ER is mscontin.
Either way I prep the mylans by removing coating, crush pill to powder, put about 2cc of water into spoon, heat to boiling, add powder, stir for a very quick second, add pre wet cotton, draw up, should fill up a 1 cc rig.
Then if it was me I would spray in to a new spoon and refilter. Best to use micron filters with these things because they have some nasty anti abuse shit and as you will notice when originally drawing up some of the pill will turn to wax and your m gets trapped in there.
Of course this is if you are talking about mscontin.
I get a mixture of the mylans and abg watsons and I love the abg's compared to those big fuckers. Very easy to prep for iv.
Whatever wax you have left still has m in it so if it was me I would eat it because who the fuck wants to waste any m.
Carful with those things though they are pretty rough on the veins and before injecting them I would recomend looking up a list of ingredients for that particular pill of you can find it. Has some nasty shit in them and some if not most of it will end up in your body Somewhere waiting to fuck you later in life.
Either way I prep the mylans by removing coating, crush pill to powder, put about 2cc of water into spoon, heat to boiling, add powder, stir for a very quick second, add pre wet cotton, draw up, should fill up a 1 cc rig.
Then if it was me I would spray in to a new spoon and refilter. Best to use micron filters with these things because they have some nasty anti abuse shit and as you will notice when originally drawing up some of the pill will turn to wax and your m gets trapped in there.
Of course this is if you are talking about mscontin.
I get a mixture of the mylans and abg watsons and I love the abg's compared to those big fuckers. Very easy to prep for iv.
Whatever wax you have left still has m in it so if it was me I would eat it because who the fuck wants to waste any m.
Carful with those things though they are pretty rough on the veins and before injecting them I would recomend looking up a list of ingredients for that particular pill of you can find it. Has some nasty shit in them and some if not most of it will end up in your body Somewhere waiting to fuck you later in life.
tentram
Ex-Bluelighter
prepping it into a plugging solution can be a better alternative to just eating it.
otherwise, sorry, i've no experience prepping these mentioned morphine pills.
Sorry, I should mention, these are generic MS-Contins. Mylan got approval last year or something to bring out generic MS-Contins, however I think the inactive ingredient profile is somewhat different.
The generic Mallie 100mg MS-Contins were pretty dang easy once I got it down, however the amount of powder in the Mylans kind of freak me out. The salt method for the Mallies work great, but I'm still not sure on the subject of "to heat or not to heat" when it comes to prepping morphine. Some say heat just enough to where the water start to produce very few bubbles and some say to not heat at all.
I think the real question is, will heating to the point of very little bubbles still keep the water temperature under 180 degrees C? I've tried to find as much information on this as possible and found different numbers all around. The boiling point for morphine is about 190C and melting point is about 250C. Sorry I'm not listing references but here's one from ours truly
Decomposition of P. Somniferum alkaloids due to heat
The other issue with heating also is that some of the filler and binders along with the wax matrix can dissolve into the water and subsequently end up into your veins; this is the part that scares me. I've had some instances where I did not draw up properly and ended having the some of the matrix in my syringe. I did not know it immediately as I placed the syringe down to clean up my working area. After I was done, I went to pick it up and literally saw the solution start to gel up inside the syringe. I literally could not believe what I was seeing. Seeing this made me wonder all the other times that I've prepped, yet did not have this happen but couldn't help to think "what if..."
Anyway, I know what a successful morphine prep is like as I've experienced the "pins and needles" rush many times, so I know what to look for. But what pisses me off is that if these Mylans are supposed to be generics, why the fck are they so big. Usually a generic entails the same exact properties of it's brand name counterpart, with the exception of maybe one or two different inactive ingredients. This generic on the other hand is noticeably different.
The generic Mallie 100mg MS-Contins were pretty dang easy once I got it down, however the amount of powder in the Mylans kind of freak me out. The salt method for the Mallies work great, but I'm still not sure on the subject of "to heat or not to heat" when it comes to prepping morphine. Some say heat just enough to where the water start to produce very few bubbles and some say to not heat at all.
I think the real question is, will heating to the point of very little bubbles still keep the water temperature under 180 degrees C? I've tried to find as much information on this as possible and found different numbers all around. The boiling point for morphine is about 190C and melting point is about 250C. Sorry I'm not listing references but here's one from ours truly
Decomposition of P. Somniferum alkaloids due to heat
The other issue with heating also is that some of the filler and binders along with the wax matrix can dissolve into the water and subsequently end up into your veins; this is the part that scares me. I've had some instances where I did not draw up properly and ended having the some of the matrix in my syringe. I did not know it immediately as I placed the syringe down to clean up my working area. After I was done, I went to pick it up and literally saw the solution start to gel up inside the syringe. I literally could not believe what I was seeing. Seeing this made me wonder all the other times that I've prepped, yet did not have this happen but couldn't help to think "what if..."
Anyway, I know what a successful morphine prep is like as I've experienced the "pins and needles" rush many times, so I know what to look for. But what pisses me off is that if these Mylans are supposed to be generics, why the fck are they so big. Usually a generic entails the same exact properties of it's brand name counterpart, with the exception of maybe one or two different inactive ingredients. This generic on the other hand is noticeably different.
Yea I hate those things. I try and avoid them at all cost. If it was me I would just eat them or plug them if you are that worried about them. Personally I filter then micron filter. I wouldn't touch them without a micron filter.
This is why I love the abg's. it is always a bad idea to heat your shot because of the reasons you mentioned but I pretty much always heat the abg's because of the results I get. They are about a third of the size of the mylan's too. However I wouldn't recomend anyone else to do this because its my body and when I want a good shot I'm not thinking of the harm, only that asshole burning wonderfulness. I know I am going to pay for it later in life though
This is why I love the abg's. it is always a bad idea to heat your shot because of the reasons you mentioned but I pretty much always heat the abg's because of the results I get. They are about a third of the size of the mylan's too. However I wouldn't recomend anyone else to do this because its my body and when I want a good shot I'm not thinking of the harm, only that asshole burning wonderfulness. I know I am going to pay for it later in life though
Ya, this would be the ideal situation for a micron filter. But no, I will not resort to plugging, it's just too gross for me; no offense to those that swear by it. And popping them, well, I find it such a waste that I will keep trying and finding a way to prep them properly.
I guess these are pretty new as there isn't much info on them. As for heating, I really didn't have a problem with heating the Mallie 100s. It was pretty simply.
-First, add 1ml of water
-Add salt
-Heat till it just starts to bubble
-Add 50mg of morphine ER
-Add additional 30 units of water
-Crush and dissolve morphine
-Add cotton filter and carefully draw
Now, the last step was the hardest part as most would agree. It definitely requires a technique as you cannot let the needle point penetrate through the cotton. It is also best to draw towards the side of your spoon or whatever you choose to hold the solution in, this way you can prevent any inactives from getting drawn up; this is what leads to getting your syringe all fcked up and eventually wasting your shot.
I just refuse to take them orally as I know how much better IV morphine is.
I guess these are pretty new as there isn't much info on them. As for heating, I really didn't have a problem with heating the Mallie 100s. It was pretty simply.
-First, add 1ml of water
-Add salt
-Heat till it just starts to bubble
-Add 50mg of morphine ER
-Add additional 30 units of water
-Crush and dissolve morphine
-Add cotton filter and carefully draw
Now, the last step was the hardest part as most would agree. It definitely requires a technique as you cannot let the needle point penetrate through the cotton. It is also best to draw towards the side of your spoon or whatever you choose to hold the solution in, this way you can prevent any inactives from getting drawn up; this is what leads to getting your syringe all fcked up and eventually wasting your shot.
I just refuse to take them orally as I know how much better IV morphine is.
I have never plugged anything, but from what I read its a lot better than oral.
I have a stash of abg's but today my girlfriend gave me a mallie out of nowhere and it was pretty easy to prep.
Personally I have grown to like morhpine a lot and a good shot reminds me of dilaudid. The only difference is that it seems like the rush I get from morphine can some times lock my body up, or sometimes gives me a head rush, or sometimes both. Kind strange because I pretty much always do the same amount. Dilaudid is always the same every time.
I guess it could be because I am not getting the same amount in the rig every time even though I start with the same amount. Idk
I have a stash of abg's but today my girlfriend gave me a mallie out of nowhere and it was pretty easy to prep.
Personally I have grown to like morhpine a lot and a good shot reminds me of dilaudid. The only difference is that it seems like the rush I get from morphine can some times lock my body up, or sometimes gives me a head rush, or sometimes both. Kind strange because I pretty much always do the same amount. Dilaudid is always the same every time.
I guess it could be because I am not getting the same amount in the rig every time even though I start with the same amount. Idk
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever heat pills.
Morphine, and all other opioids/ates in pill form are water soluble. The only thing cooking/heating accomplishes is getting inactive ingredients in your blood and clog your lungs up
IV morphine is very unique, has very itchy/hot/pressure-y rush
Morphine, and all other opioids/ates in pill form are water soluble. The only thing cooking/heating accomplishes is getting inactive ingredients in your blood and clog your lungs up
IV morphine is very unique, has very itchy/hot/pressure-y rush
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
Mylan 100 mg morphine sulfate extended-release tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: colloidal silicon dioxide, hypromellose, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, polyvinyl alcohol, talc, titanium dioxide, FD&C Blue No. 2 Aluminum Lake, red iron oxide and yellow iron oxide.
MS CONTIN 100mg morphine sulfate controlled release tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: cetostearyl alcohol, hydroxyethyl cellulose, hypromellose, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, talc, titanium dioxide and black iron oxide.
Are you not using a micron filter?
I'm going move this to Other Drugs as they deal more with IV prep than BDD, so it will likely will get more replies there.
BDD -> OD
MS CONTIN 100mg morphine sulfate controlled release tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: cetostearyl alcohol, hydroxyethyl cellulose, hypromellose, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, talc, titanium dioxide and black iron oxide.
Are you not using a micron filter?
I'm going move this to Other Drugs as they deal more with IV prep than BDD, so it will likely will get more replies there.
BDD -> OD
This is true, opiates are water soluble, hence why CWE is a great way to avoid ingesting mass amounts of acetaminophen. So from here on out, I'm going to try and avoid heating when it comes to prepping morphine.
RedRum, I agree heating does increase the chances of getting the inactives into your final solution. However, the one thing I found heating to be useful for is how it helps to get the wax to the top of the water, that way you can push it aside or take it out completely. The key to this is that you want to apply just enough heat for the wax to rise up, that's it, not a second longer.
The salt method seems to work pretty well with these Mylans. I've come to notice that they do not gel as fast as the Mallies. Now the only issue I am having at the moment is drawing. Cig filters don't hold up too well because it absorbs so much of the powder that it makes drawing up quite difficult. Cotton filter do not give enough filtration because it is too thin and delicate, so a lot of the powdered wax comes right into the syringe. If I see this happen, I immediately spray out whatever I've drawn up, even if I am close to finishing. I can't take anymore chances of my dart gelling up inside and being out of product...and a syringe, heh.
How are some of you guys prepping by just leaving the morphine in the water for like 5 minutes? I read in some other thread that by leaving the morphine in water for as long as possible, sometimes even up to an hour long, helps get as much morphine out and into the water as possible. I'm guessing by adding enough salt, the gelling is prevented? I would like to try this out, but want to know for sure from real world experiences.
I honestly think using a 3ml syringe would be ideal for prepping morphine. What's the solubility rule for morphine again? It's about 50-60mg per ml right? If using a 1ml dart, you're looking at a maximum of 60mg, and that's if you do a perfect prep, which we all know is damn near impossible. I always cut the 100mg in half, although now I'm thinking of trying 25mg at a time with the same amount of water.
But what got me thinking was that if I'm not going to apply heat, then I can't use 130 units like I normally do for a 50mg prep. If I use 130 units and do a boil prep, then I evaporate just enough water (at least 30) so that the solution is able to fit into my dark. However, if I don't use heat, then obviously there is no way to prep this using more than 100 units; 100 units is a pretty tight squeeze to register with too, it's not impossible, just very tight.
Well, with a 25mg prep I really would only need about 50-60 units anyway, and that's if I go about accomplishing a perfect pull. So with all this said, I'll try 25mg with 70 units minus heating the solution. I should've thought of this before because, honestly, 50mg sometimes is overwhelming, 25mg is actually a perfect dose. It's just enough to feel the prickles along with being able to sustain a pleasurable ride.
Any tips and recommendations is welcome BL'ers, actually it's very much wanted. And yes, I know a bigger dark and wheel filter is really the perfect solution for this, however I doubt any pharmacies around my area would have them. If all else fails, I think I'm just going to go ahead and order these two items. I hate to sit here and think so much morphine goes to waste everyday simply because of it's poor BA, so sad.
RedRum, I agree heating does increase the chances of getting the inactives into your final solution. However, the one thing I found heating to be useful for is how it helps to get the wax to the top of the water, that way you can push it aside or take it out completely. The key to this is that you want to apply just enough heat for the wax to rise up, that's it, not a second longer.
The salt method seems to work pretty well with these Mylans. I've come to notice that they do not gel as fast as the Mallies. Now the only issue I am having at the moment is drawing. Cig filters don't hold up too well because it absorbs so much of the powder that it makes drawing up quite difficult. Cotton filter do not give enough filtration because it is too thin and delicate, so a lot of the powdered wax comes right into the syringe. If I see this happen, I immediately spray out whatever I've drawn up, even if I am close to finishing. I can't take anymore chances of my dart gelling up inside and being out of product...and a syringe, heh.
How are some of you guys prepping by just leaving the morphine in the water for like 5 minutes? I read in some other thread that by leaving the morphine in water for as long as possible, sometimes even up to an hour long, helps get as much morphine out and into the water as possible. I'm guessing by adding enough salt, the gelling is prevented? I would like to try this out, but want to know for sure from real world experiences.
I honestly think using a 3ml syringe would be ideal for prepping morphine. What's the solubility rule for morphine again? It's about 50-60mg per ml right? If using a 1ml dart, you're looking at a maximum of 60mg, and that's if you do a perfect prep, which we all know is damn near impossible. I always cut the 100mg in half, although now I'm thinking of trying 25mg at a time with the same amount of water.
But what got me thinking was that if I'm not going to apply heat, then I can't use 130 units like I normally do for a 50mg prep. If I use 130 units and do a boil prep, then I evaporate just enough water (at least 30) so that the solution is able to fit into my dark. However, if I don't use heat, then obviously there is no way to prep this using more than 100 units; 100 units is a pretty tight squeeze to register with too, it's not impossible, just very tight.
Well, with a 25mg prep I really would only need about 50-60 units anyway, and that's if I go about accomplishing a perfect pull. So with all this said, I'll try 25mg with 70 units minus heating the solution. I should've thought of this before because, honestly, 50mg sometimes is overwhelming, 25mg is actually a perfect dose. It's just enough to feel the prickles along with being able to sustain a pleasurable ride.
Any tips and recommendations is welcome BL'ers, actually it's very much wanted. And yes, I know a bigger dark and wheel filter is really the perfect solution for this, however I doubt any pharmacies around my area would have them. If all else fails, I think I'm just going to go ahead and order these two items. I hate to sit here and think so much morphine goes to waste everyday simply because of it's poor BA, so sad.
Oh and thanks for posting that up Swimmingdancer. I was going to post the ingredient profile of both the Mallies and Mylans in this post, but you beat me to it. It looks like there's just a couple inactives that differentiate between the two, whether or not the differences play a dramatic role in regards to prepping for IV is beyond my knowledge, as of now.
And no, unfortunately, I am not using a micron filter. It really does suck because I could only imagine how much of a cleaner shot a micron filter can produce. I remember a thread that I ran into while researching about the differences in an unfiltered, cigarette filtered, and micron filtered solution of morphine. The difference is night and fckin day and was more than enough to want a micron filter that much more. I really do wish they sold them in pharmacies, along with 2 or 3ml syringes.
And no, unfortunately, I am not using a micron filter. It really does suck because I could only imagine how much of a cleaner shot a micron filter can produce. I remember a thread that I ran into while researching about the differences in an unfiltered, cigarette filtered, and micron filtered solution of morphine. The difference is night and fckin day and was more than enough to want a micron filter that much more. I really do wish they sold them in pharmacies, along with 2 or 3ml syringes.
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
^Yeah, stupid war on drugs 
Harm reduction supplies should be readily available. At least you sound knowledgeable about what you are doing and the risks you are taking and are looking for ways to reduce them 
Sorry that I don't really know whether there is a dramatic difference between prepping or safety between the two brands either. Hopefully someone will post who has experience with IVing the Mylan ones.
Here's what I know about some of the ingredients in case it helps:
The ingredients the Mylans contain that are not contained in the MS Contins are:
- the pigments: I have no idea about these but assume it shouldn't make too much difference (?)
- colloidal silicon dioxide: this sounds like a bad idea to inject, insoluble in water, can pass through a cotton or cig filter (and maybe even a micron filter? although the units tend to fuse together in chains so I'm not sure what the actual particle size is), made from silica which is what's in sand and glass
- lactose monohydrate: basically milk sugar + water, a lot of street drugs are cut with lactose so I would assume it is not too bad (?), it's listed as "partially soluble in cold water, hot water"
- polyvinyl alcohol: a water-soluble synthetic polymer, used in eye drops but I don't know about injection
- presumably the quantities of inactives as well
Found in both brands:
- hypromellose: can gel up when you add water and especially when you add heat
- talc: not safe to inject - Google "injecting talc"
- magnesium stearate: not soluble in water, found in almost all pills unfortunately
Some related reading (unfortunately it's a study about prepping the MS Contins for injection but it may be of interest to you)
Harm reduction supplies should be readily available. At least you sound knowledgeable about what you are doing and the risks you are taking and are looking for ways to reduce them Sorry that I don't really know whether there is a dramatic difference between prepping or safety between the two brands either. Hopefully someone will post who has experience with IVing the Mylan ones.
Here's what I know about some of the ingredients in case it helps:
The ingredients the Mylans contain that are not contained in the MS Contins are:
- the pigments: I have no idea about these but assume it shouldn't make too much difference (?)
- colloidal silicon dioxide: this sounds like a bad idea to inject, insoluble in water, can pass through a cotton or cig filter (and maybe even a micron filter? although the units tend to fuse together in chains so I'm not sure what the actual particle size is), made from silica which is what's in sand and glass
- lactose monohydrate: basically milk sugar + water, a lot of street drugs are cut with lactose so I would assume it is not too bad (?), it's listed as "partially soluble in cold water, hot water"
- polyvinyl alcohol: a water-soluble synthetic polymer, used in eye drops but I don't know about injection
- presumably the quantities of inactives as well
Found in both brands:
- hypromellose: can gel up when you add water and especially when you add heat
- talc: not safe to inject - Google "injecting talc"
- magnesium stearate: not soluble in water, found in almost all pills unfortunately
Some related reading (unfortunately it's a study about prepping the MS Contins for injection but it may be of interest to you)
Great post dancer. Good reads.
I actually have a bit of experience with the mylans, unfortunately though I can't help. I hate those fucking things and usually just get what kind of shot I can get out of them then eat what's left over.
I know I am destroying my body with them, but I don't get them very much anymore. Luckily I never pay for my morphine and its just givin to me for free. The source I get them from usually has the abg's these days and they are a lot easier.
All I can safely recommend is filter filter filter.
I actually have a bit of experience with the mylans, unfortunately though I can't help. I hate those fucking things and usually just get what kind of shot I can get out of them then eat what's left over.
I know I am destroying my body with them, but I don't get them very much anymore. Luckily I never pay for my morphine and its just givin to me for free. The source I get them from usually has the abg's these days and they are a lot easier.
All I can safely recommend is filter filter filter.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
I wrote a how-to guide but it's for rectal-administration only, not for IV use.