IV no rush?

[LithiumBarbieDoll]

^yeah, i had no nausea, jut a little itchieness...and wd's are a bitch, my s/o tries to tell me that its not that bad b/c i dont IV, But i still feel fucking miserable, sometimes worse than him!
"but the person doing it for swim would only let him do half a bag (for harm reduction sake), even tho swim wanted to do the full." I completly feel you on that (or should i say swi you ), ive had that happen to me in regards to snorting it. I understood that he was just looking out for me.

 

[adder]

You might have also misunderstood what rush after i.v.'ed heroin is. To be precise it's not dope 'docking' on receptors but morphine and 6-MAM so it's got to be metabolised in the brain anyway. What rush is is just instant surge of opiate high and warmness all over your body. Morphine's got a nicer more stoning rush to the whole body although it hits slower. Heroin feels like somebody hit you in your head with a hammer.

IV dope is the way to go, and the rush is what heroin is all about!

Kind of true. If you don't inject enough to nod out, you just walk a bit buzzed after the initial rush.

 

[SKL]

Kind of true. If you don't inject enough to nod out, you just walk a bit buzzed after the initial rush.

See, I inject to nod the fuck out. I love getting my nod on. Even more than the rush maybe ... people like groovywombat think I'm fucking nuts. But I guess it's just a matter of personal taste ...

 

[LithiumBarbieDoll]

the nod is great, but now im getting more and more curious about the rush....

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Impossible you didn't get a rush.

1. Didn't do enough / weak dope.

2. Missed.

There's always a rush. I'm sure you missed the shot, your skin doesn't always have to 'pop' when missed. There are plenty of places inside fatty tissue and between the muscles the liquid can secrete when you miss a shot, especially around the crook of the arm area.

Sounds like you missed, even with low doses there is a rush. There's always a rush, unless you missed.

 

[wespwnzu]

Forget that, get the rush and IV the shit, otherwise don't bother with H, stick to sniffing pills. IV dope is the way to go, and the rush is what heroin is all about!

you do realize that this is a harm reduction forum, right? you are pretty much encouraging an addiction by telling her to IV. to each his own, though i guess.

 

[LithiumBarbieDoll]

well, i didnt administer the shot myself, my s/o did, and hes been doing it for a long time, i watched, and he drew up blood, also i was told if you miss it burns, and there was no burning sensation... im pretty sure thats not the case... im thinking it was to low of a dose

 

[LithiumBarbieDoll]

thank you wespwnzu for caring

 

[eon_blue]

the nod is great, but now im getting more and more curious about the rush....

ha, this mentality is what led to me wanting to shoot heroin well before I ever got my hands on it. I had plenty of experience "nodding" on other opiates, and they quickly became my drug of choice.
But then I started to think about heroin and how I was missing out on the "ultimate rush" of opiates. For lack of proper gear, the first time I came across heroin I smoked it. But the next time I was well prepared for what I intended to do...

I have to say, I think I was more addicted to heroin before I ever tried it than I am now. I mean, I craved it more back then because of all the talk behind "the rush". The rush is fucking incredible and more or less indescribable, but not knowing what it was and wanting it so badly before I ever experienced it was a whole 'nother craving in and of itself...

 

[rave23]

are you on any medication?
I know silly question, but i know about people being on methadone or subs and they started to shoot dope, got all noddy but never got the rush they said. Also, they shot vast amounts of dope, but never the rush. Of course they didn't know about the whole receptor thing and whatnot.

Good that you don't experienced the rush! I am really happy you didn't! Sounds somewhat fucked up to say, but imho it's the most god-damn addicting thing ever. Put down the needle and go back to smoking. Once you got that rush you want it again, and you keep on injecting, but it won't come back that easy unless you abstain a while. And by the time you realize that you are hooked for sure for chasing a rush that is impossible to get while nodding.

For your own love, put down the needle and stop looking for it. It feels so fucking good, don't even try it once! That is what every junkie said to me when i asked him. They all said ignorance is bliss, cause once you know what that better-than-full-body-orgasm feels like nothing else matters anymore, you just want that rush again. It puts everything in it's shadow. Lady H is kinda sneaky that way.

A last time, put down the needle and go back to the occasional snorting and smoking. You can appreciate that high, and live the nod, instead of searching for that crazy rush again! PUT DOWN THE NEEDLE!

If you have to: Abstain from all opies for two days or so, and then prep yourself a decent shot. If you hit a vein and not get a rush you know one thing for sure, you are most likely dead or a zombie without juice flowing through your brain. It's impossible to not get a rush if you withdraw for 2 days and then bang.

 

[the_soul_sun]

Dude you dont wanna shot that shit. It is a dark road.

 

[adder]

I don't understand how the shot may have been missed. Missing a shot of street heroin burns like hell. Unless you get pure salt in white powder.

 

[Chaos23]

the amount i do depends, atthe time i think i was doing 2 a day ayt least, but i had assumed that since i had already done some earlier, that that amount would suffice...

GTFO while you are still ahead... This path leads to total self destruction...

If you value relationships, family, money, sanity, and happiness... just quit now.

I speak from direct experience.

 

[Chaos23]

I don't understand how the shot may have been missed. Missing a shot of street heroin burns like hell. Unless you get pure salt in white powder.

i missed TONS of times over my 7 years of IV heroin abuse... It really didn't ever burn me. Just caused minor temporary discoloration...

 

[johnnyb420]

a rush is dope docking on your receptors. That is what is the 'rush' for us. Now if you shoot to quickly not all the dope can leave the receptors, so there is a smaller ammount of drug docking onto the receptors.

To get the best rush i'd imagine doing some naloxone, wait untill that leaves you and then bang some H. there is you pure, clean rush!

this is really badd advice do not do naloxone

do you know what would happen to a person with a habit if they did what you are suggesting??


why dont you try it for your self

i guaruntee it will be the last time you open your mouth about things that you dont know about

i mean really that is lame advice naloxone would ripp all of the receptors clean just like you are saying but that would be an extremely unpleasent experiance




to the op the reason you did not get a rush is that you did not do enough dope, or your dope is weak

it can be a little hard to find the sweet spot you know what i mean ?
the point where you get a nice pleasent rush but not puke or worse yet OD

doing heroin IV takes some getting used to i reccomend you go slow and make sure you have somebody with you

haveing a bottle of naloxone on hand for an accidental OD is a good idea but thats the only thing you want to use it for only in a complete OD

i am not talking about the kind of OD where you feel like you did a little to much

its only for a situation where you are out and cant be brought back any other way

if that happens then you should still call 911 but if you have naloxone on hand and know how to use it you could save a life

 

[LithiumBarbieDoll]

thanks for all of your replies. I dont think i will try to IV again. My s/o and roomie both IV and are completly against me doing it.
"haveing a bottle of naloxone on hand for an accidental OD is a good idea but thats the only thing you want to use it for only in a complete OD" I have heard of this, but what is it exactly, and how do i get it?

 

[rave23]

^^^ (Johnny) wow dude, take it slow there....
I would never advice someone with a full blown habit and dependence on a full agonist to shoot naloxone... That would be just... cruel!
If you are indeed a junkie you should know that stuff though, and you should't just pump stuff through your veins.
What the hell dude... you should know me by now, why in the hell would i advise someone to shoot naloxone? Yeah, it's called inverse rush man 8)

I was speaking in Theory, maybe i should have made that more clear. i wasn't talking about the experience, and i didn't say anything about it being pleasant, cause from what i read on this board most people are aware that naloxone is the kryptonite for all the addicts out there. For fuck's sake, some junkie isn't going to get some naloxone and starts shooting up that stuff. And if someone indeed thinks that is a good idea, well then... Go ahead but be prepared.

If you have no habit though, and you are not dependent, naloxone would be unpleasant cause it would kick you right out of the opiate world. But the resulting rush from shooting dope the next time would be just great, do we agree on that one?
While being brain-raped by the naloxone they could knock you out with a lotta benzos/barbs so you don't necessary feel the symptoms. That is done sometimes in medical facilities, and is refered to as "Rapid Detox" or the Waisman Method. For sure, nobody should ever try that in their home without medical supervision. You gotta be one helluva nutjob to do that without a medical team supervising you. And there are differences in the team doing the procedure too. Some people don't know the fuck what they are doing, while others know how to make it easier. Administering a skeletal muscle relaxant and something to knock you out for 8 - 10 hours during and after the procedure makes it a lot easier. From what i heard the muscle relaxant helps to prevent cramping and the resulting muscle stiffness and soreness after it's done.

PS: Yes, i know what a shot of naloxone feels like. Well not really a shot... When i was about to get clean from a small habit i could have coughed around with mild withdrawal for 3 - 4 days, or i could let it go in a big bang. I got my first shot of 2.5mg naloxone, and then we kept pumping that stuff into me at a rate of about 0.6mg/h for 4 more hours.
Trust me, you *get* a rush from a shot of Narcan, a fucking huge one. But it is about the opposite from the rush you get from shooting dope. It kinda feels like hell is being unleashed inside your body, and you just want one thing: to be dead. And it's incredible how fast your bowels go from rock hard to liquid fire. One can't even take loperamide for that stuff anymore with narcan in your system. I will post a video on youtube i find it, i think we actually got the expression on my face on cam when the Narcan went down my veins. Nothing you would wish for your worst enemy. But it was well worth it, when i knocked myeslf out with a massive dose of Valium i felt a lot better 24 hours after the last dose, and pretty much all of the physical symptoms were gone. The craving and fiending was enormous though.

So please stop telling me that i don't know what i am talking about. I have been there, i have done that, and if you seriously think that i would tell someone 'yeah, shoot some narcan, the next time you shoot dope is just gonna be great' then i can't help you man
There are some things i would like to know though. Could someone prevent dependence or tolerance after 'cleaning' their receptors at the end of a day with naloxone? I'd imagine if i take a shot of narcan at the end of every day when i am done with my opies that this could prevent a dependence. And i would suppose that the effects are nowhere as bad as if you administer narcan after becoming dependent for a while. This is entirely hypothetical, and under no circumstances anybody should ever try that!

I say it again just for you: Don't take narcan or anything similar unless you actually overdosed, make sure you call 911 before you shoot, and get your ass hauled to the ER, since narcan has an effective duration of 1 1/22 - 2 hours, so it's possible to continue to overdose once the narcan has worn off.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

How'd you get narcan like that?

 

[patte4dm]

Iv been shooting liquid morphine the last couple days and it gives me absolutely NO rush what so ever. All I get is a sharp feeling in my brain. It not really a pleasant thing.

Yes this morphine is real. I get the pupil dilation, loss of feeling, nodding, everything else aI get with H minus the rush. Anyone also get this and why this is.

 

[SKL]

^ please tell me that this is not liquid morphine intended for oral use, and if it is, please don't shoot it again, you are really asking for an abscess or the loss of one of your limbs if that is so. (sorry, I'm just not in the mood to mince words tonight ...)