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RCs IV MDPV- unexpected side effects, experienced advice appreciated.

sharpsafe1

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Hello Bluelight!
This is my first post but as im very tired ill cut to my immediate problem and then introduce myself tommorow when im feeling better.

relevant background info: male, 18, uk, 9stone. 6 years of varying stimulant experience mainly methylphenidate and amphetamine, previous 1 year IV experience with heroin and a few experiments with amphetamine. Using MDPV via insuffulation and inhalation since october 2009 and IV since around new year. (and am thoroughly engoying it.)

The first few times i tried IVing this compound i was suprised at how easily i got myself. Iattributed this to being more informed on safer injecting, i signed myself back on to the walk in needle exchange service nearby and have been gennerally using in long 24hr binges with frequent doses until the point of sleep followed by a day or two's rest, i gennerally hit 3-7mg at a time.

It is probably important to note that onece ive started one of these binges i will gennerally keep re-using the same sharp and although i try to rotate sites, when im doing up to 15 in a binge i will usually hit each vein im familiar with(arm and sometimes hand, only) more than 6 successful times(not counting unregistered penetration(lol) and two misses. I ASSUME that my problem is caused by the vein damage associated with these risky behaviours but i cant stop worring if its an unknown substance specific issue,.

More specifically my veins have been reacting in the opposite way to how id expect them to from injecting amphetamine and from what ive heard cocaine, instead of sinking and constricting they appear to be swelling, raising and gennerally more spungy and 'healthy' and easy to find ( until i discontinue where they will harden slightly just like normal until next) i know this is illogical and obviously wrong but its how it seems.

The last 2 days ive been losing slight feeling in my legs and have been unable to sit still without cutting off my circulation. Is this DVT? or just too many temporary vein blocks? i havent injected in my legs or anywhere other than my arms do im wondering if the problem is to do with MDPV, or perhaps ive just been lazy lately

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this and answer, would love
advice from medically educated users, or those familiar with IV mdpv and/or heavy vein damage.
xxxxxx
 
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I have IV PV on and off now for some time, love it. I think that PV is also a serious vasoconstrictor. I noticed on extended binges that my finger tips and toes would be very sore. I think cutting down on how much/long you use it for really helps. The sorness in my hands and feet went away after a break from the stuff. Also, please please please use a fresh rig everytime, I find the longer I binge on the PV the harder it is to hit a vein, and you end up like a pincushion. FRESH rigs! And rotate!! But back to the subject, honestly take a week long break between iv PV usage. It tends to hang around in your body awhile. It is a serious vasoconstrictor.
 
I've never used MDPV, but have been iv'ing various chemicals for 9 years. Mainly methamphetamine, but also ketamine, MDMA and Methylphenidate (desperation is a funny thing)....

I have never encountered the veins becoming more prominent whilst on a binge...certainly they will pop up like they're trying to break through the surface of the skin before the 1st shot, but generally disappear somewhat after that.

However i have certainly experienced the numbness and tingling in legs, arms and hands after long sessions on IV meth and mdma. As you said, i'd probably put it down to the vasoconstrictive properties of amphetamines. With myself it has lasted for up to 5 days after my last shot (of a particularly hefty binge). Also, it is always worse in winter, which again makes sense due to the effect of the cold on circulation.

Probably chilling out and doing some aerobic and anaerobic exercise would be a good idea. Go for a run or even a brisk walk, then do some pushups and weights if you have access to them.

Also, just curious, if you're signed up with the local needle exchange why aren't you using fresh syringes with every shot? I'm not preaching, i've reused rigs plenty of times due to desperation but not when i've had clean ones sitting right there in the cupboard. It does make a difference, especially to how shitty you feel when you're finally off the binge. It's a lot more depressing to look down and see a bunch of bruised pockmarks than a few barely visible red dots.

Take care.

Also, forgot to mention - i only ever injected in my arms and experienced the numbness in my legs, feet, hands and particularly toes. I haven't had any recurring problems from it. I am insulin dependant diabetic and had my circulation checked a few months ago, and was told by my endochronologist it is extremely good. Mind you, i have chilled out on the injections a lot over the last 12 months. Only done it a couple of times.
 
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Thanks guys, got some sleep and rendered the works inactive;)
felt much better once the drugs effectsthe had worn off and the swelling seems to have gone down. Its reasuring to know youve both had similar problems, and if your doctor said your circulation's good and your diabetic then i know thats good my sisters type 1 and has problems with her toes all the time.
he point in applying safe injecting practise if you ignore it once your under the influence lol?!!
The walk-in needle service is provided by my registered surgery, i guess i kinda manipulated them when i said id only used a gram of the amphetamine (which i didnt name:P) over the last year (280 active doses of mdpv). They were dissapointed to see me there after 2 years and i didnt want them to re-refer me to services i was involved with when i was an addict, the local drug misuse service works closely with my college and the benefits agency who all know me as an EX injecting drug user so at the time i opted for re-using them instead of exchanging.
I think needle exchange service need to be more aware of the shere amount of needles even an occational user can go through when stimulants are being used,

Ive ordered a pack of 100 off the internet and unlike my surgery, they also offer swabs, torni's, filters e.c.t :P
I dont mind paying for them now i receive state benefits, free needle exchange programs should be reserved for addicts who need them and actualy (unlike me) have a good reason for re-using or sharing.

Do you think exercise will be good regardless? or can problems arise from overexerting yourself?
 
Ha, yeah i know how easily safe injecting practise flies out the window when you're rushing your ass off at 4a.m. and all you can think about is getting that next shot into you!

Hmm the needle exchange system sounds interesting, quite a few lines of communication there it's understandable you didn't want to know about your iv use. Yeah it's phenomenal how many rigs you can go through after even just a few weeks of stim use.

But good for you, in regards to ordering off the internet! Awesome stuff. You'll feel better mentally and physically after a session, and a lot less chance that something nasty will happen in terms of infections etc.

Exercise is always good - although i am referring to when you're not on the drug! I'd probably wait a couple of days after using before doing any real strenuous exercise, but going for a good walk sooner would be fine and probably beneficial. I like to do it just to get some fresh air and sunlight after being locked away inside in my den of inequity poking myself with needles all night!

If you don't mind my asking, what's the iv mdpv rush like? I've noticed more and more people using it around this board, but have never encountered it myself. I'm not really in with drug scene where i live (south australia) anymore, so i probably won't get the chance. I don't even know if there's any around here for that matter.

Anyway, glad to hear you're feeling better!
 
I really enjoy the rush, people have mention not experiencing euproria with pv but i notice it even when insuffulated, its nothing like amphet sulphate tho. IV is pretty amazing, much the same as a good iv dose of methylphenidate from what i can remember, more 'intensly satisfied' and mind numbing than overwhelmingly pleasurable. larger doses make me very anxious and paranoid.
My favourite thing about mdpv is that whenever i use too much, or for too long or go to sleep and wake up, the last thing i want to do is more, ive only ever felt compelled to do some when im actually on the drug unlike other stims i have used.

Ive never even seen methamphetamine you know, or heard of someone i know taking/sourcing some. When i was younger i was convinced 'meth' was just a slang term people on the internet used for the drug i know as base (amphetamine sulphate, common in uk)
Whats that like IV? and how many dose's is it active from?
 
Oh and without mentioning sourcing, people who take it aquire mdpv buy ordering it cheaply off the internet as it is currently still legal in most countries (including australia i expect).

Any google search on the compound will return hundereds of company's making thousands off this product and even offering next day or 24hr delivery services!

Its a pretty scary thing as if most crack or speed addicts in my country knew that they could buy 280 dose for the price of a gram of coke then there entire population would probably die out in a week!
 
my best friend is freakin out cause she shot coke and now her whole arm is itchy and red blotchy?? what happened?
 
Sharpsafe, IV MDPV sounds fun..being a bit of an IV fiend i'd be keen to try it if i ever come across it.

In regards to meth, it most certainly is real, and very prevalent in australia. Quite hard to come across amphetamine sulphate here, most of the stuff sold as "speed" is just cut meth.

Generally, if you have good quality stuff 0.1 of a gram IV should be enough to get a non-tolerant user rocketing into space for at least 8 hours or so. Obviously, tolerance is a bitch and builds quickly though ;-) I know people that would shoot a gram at a time (although the quality was just good, not great).

In regards to the iv rush, it's the best feeling i've ever encountered from a drug.

I describe it a little more in detail here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=399903
 
never have iv'ed mdpv, insufflated tho. resulting in severe crash syndrome ( severe paranoia, extremely uncomfortable, felt like i wanted to die). any other similar experiences?
 
On Wiki it says it can cause severely bloodshot eyes, has anyone ever had this before?
 
I've done this shit 3 times, and went on massive binges. I do not recomend this drug, especially via I.V. It feels alot like coke, but it lasts for ever, and the crash is fucking terrible. I know your doing it anyway, but just to put it out there.
 
I've done this shit 3 times, and went on massive binges. I do not recomend this drug, especially via I.V. It feels alot like coke, but it lasts for ever, and the crash is fucking terrible. I know your doing it anyway, but just to put it out there.

i never felt any coke like effects from IV and the peevee i had was known very high purity.

there really wasn't any rush to speak of - just an instant high. which could be overwhelming - the initial feelings = instant high heart rate, high blood pressure, etc!.
 
i never felt any coke like effects from IV and the peevee i had was known very high purity.

there really wasn't any rush to speak of - just an instant high. which could be overwhelming - the initial feelings = instant high heart rate, high blood pressure, etc!.

After smoking MDPV, I can see why people compare it to crack. It doesn't give me anything like the crack rush, but it gives a very quick uplift - from "ugh, I can barely keep my eyes open" to "GOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM!!!" in a matter of seconds. But though it isn't as pleasurable it can be extremely compulsive when it comes to dosing and redosing. (Ask me how I know this...).

I have not noticed this same kind of fiendish quality from insufflated or oral MDPV. It's much easier for me to take a needed dose without the temptation to re-up. But smoking (and I would presume shooting, although I haven't IVed MDPV) appears to bring out its worst qualities.
 
I've done this shit 3 times, and went on massive binges. I do not recomend this drug, especially via I.V. It feels alot like coke, but it lasts for ever, and the crash is fucking terrible. I know your doing it anyway, but just to put it out there.

Sounds like something I definitely don't want to try at all, thanks for the subjective experience report though.
 
I've done this shit 3 times, and went on massive binges. I do not recomend this drug, especially via I.V. It feels alot like coke, but it lasts for ever, and the crash is fucking terrible. I know your doing it anyway, but just to put it out there.


Feels alot like coke when sniffed or coke when IV'ed?
 
I have unfortunately ived this stuff quite a few times as well as freebase. I think someone is going to die of a heart attack if this keeps going to be the new trend with this drug. It seems to me the more times you use it the more paranoid it makes you (hearing police sirens that arent there etc) I was put in a psych ward for this and even as i stopped everything except snorting, each use was less euphoric than the last. Can anyone attest to increased hearing ability (before halucinations) and also REDUCED CRAVING FOR CIGARETTES!!! I found this most amazing. I can still taste peevee in my nose weeks after discontinuing use. That kinda freaks me out
 
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