IV ethyphenidate: subtle, underwhelming?

[bampot]

Just tried ethyphenidate (EPH) for the first time, and was surprised by its subtlety. Let me report what I did first, then I have a couple of questions.

Firstly, the drug was an impulse buy from a headshop; one of these annoying branded powders going under the name of "Ching". The ingredients list 50% EPH, and 10% lidocaine. I can only assume the remaining 40% is non-psychoactive filler, although I'm not sure if these RC brands are subject to the same requirements as other pharameuticals, in that every active ingredients must be listed.

After a small allergy test, decided to go the IV route, having heard nasty things about corrosion of mucal membranes. I should point out that it is no doubt poor practice to be injecting powders of which almost half the ingredients are unknown, and I certainly do not advocate anyone else doing this.

Having read up a bit, I decided on a 50mg dose of EPH, ie 100mg of the powder. Used sterilized water, clean needle, alcohol swabs, etc. The powder dissolved easily in water with no heating.

I rarely use needles, and had no problem finding a vein. Registered twice to be sure... Did not want any of this stuff hanging around under the skin.

Almost no rush, or indeed effect, except a lightening, focussed, calm, mild and pleasant stimulation. Heart rate up to 80bpm, no negative effects.

After a few minutes, repeated this dose in exactly the same way, with the result of simply increasing the same effects. Still no rush, but now definitely feeling stimmed, albeit still in a strangely calm way. No unwanted peripheral effects; pulse now up to 90-95bpm.

So here's my questions:

1. 100mg total EPH seems like a large IV dose for these subtle effects. Can anyone explain this?
2. The injection felt very clean and pain-free given how caustic this substance reputedly is: could this simply be the lidocaine?
3. Does anyone have any idea what the remaining 40% of "Ching" might comprise?
4.. More generally, are RC sellers allowed to include unlisted psychoactive ingredients in such products

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Underwhelming ? Definately. Subtle? Not sure about that. 100mg IVd certainly shouldn't have been.

I asked in the local headshop if they had any Ethylphenidate, they did, but similar to yours it had a brand name rather than a chemical name. It listed the ingredients, it was apparently 95% eth, and 5% some other chemical which i immediately forgot the name of

I had heard of it, it vaguely ticked a 'that might be a tryptamine' type thought and when i asked the guy in the shop about it he advised me to research it online if i wanted further information. I wanted to say "if i did research it online, i would be advised not to buy shonky mixtures from headshops but to buy the pure chemicals instead" but he'd probably have said "get to fuck then, smart-arse" or something like that then, so i didnt bother saying anything. And i didnt buy his overpriced Ching or w/e he had called it.

Anyway the point im trying to make is that it's better to buy these things from online 'reputable vendors' in their pure chemical form, rather than branded products containing god knows what. 100mg of EPH with no tolerance and particularly IVd is a very strong dose imo. My heart was beating out of its cage last time i took that amount over the course of several hours. Your product must have been heavily cut, especially seeing as your heart rate didnt go above 80bpm - 95bpm. That's a normal resting rate for me on a bad stressful day if im smoking.

I find a bit of Eph better than nothing for complimenting a night out on the beers, and making music sound better, but dont rate it for much else.

 

[spacejunk]

Don't shoot branded mixtures with god-knows-what in them.
Injecting research chems is inadvisable enough...
But to answer your question, I find ethylphenidate to be totally underwhelming.
I don't really get why people rave about it. Everybody reacts differently I suppose.

 

[Jesusgreen]

After a small allergy test, decided to go the IV route, having heard nasty things about corrosion of mucal membranes.

That part worries me a little. "I noticed this powder burns through skin so I thought it'd be a good idea to stick it in my veins"

Don't go IVing the shit you get from a headshop, seriously, those mixes are mostly designed to rope in peoples money when they have no idea what an online vendor is - you pay more for the substance than if you bought it pure, only you get something that isn't pure, the ingredients are often a lie or not listed at all, and the cuts are often fairly nasty regardless of the fact that they actually *are* intended for human consumption despite what they say.

I doubt the 50% EPH value for that "Ching" powder if you IVed 100mg and only got subtle effects. Even 20mg snorted with good EPH has a rush for me, and if that 50% purity claim was true then you IVed 50mg, which should be more like 100-120mg snorted, a massive dose that if anything should have you complaining about being a little *too* intense, at least on the side effects front if nothing else.

Buy some real EPH not a silly brand and give 25-30mg IV a try and you should be blown away in comparison to what you experienced this time around - unless you have a *very* high stim tolerance.

 

[karmanaut]

Just tried ethyphenidate (EPH) for the first time, and was surprised by its subtlety. Let me report what I did first, then I have a couple of questions.

Firstly, the drug was an impulse buy from a headshop; one of these annoying branded powders going under the name of "Ching". The ingredients list 50% EPH, and 10% lidocaine. I can only assume the remaining 40% is non-psychoactive filler, although I'm not sure if these RC brands are subject to the same requirements as other pharameuticals, in that every active ingredients must be listed.

After a small allergy test, decided to go the IV route, having heard nasty things about corrosion of mucal membranes. I should point out that it is no doubt poor practice to be injecting powders of which almost half the ingredients are unknown, and I certainly do not advocate anyone else doing this.

Having read up a bit, I decided on a 50mg dose of EPH, ie 100mg of the powder. Used sterilized water, clean needle, alcohol swabs, etc. The powder dissolved easily in water with no heating.

I rarely use needles, and had no problem finding a vein. Registered twice to be sure... Did not want any of this stuff hanging around under the skin.

Almost no rush, or indeed effect, except a lightening, focussed, calm, mild and pleasant stimulation. Heart rate up to 80bpm, no negative effects.

After a few minutes, repeated this dose in exactly the same way, with the result of simply increasing the same effects. Still no rush, but now definitely feeling stimmed, albeit still in a strangely calm way. No unwanted peripheral effects; pulse now up to 90-95bpm.

So here's my questions:

1. 100mg total EPH seems like a large IV dose for these subtle effects. Can anyone explain this?
2. The injection felt very clean and pain-free given how caustic this substance reputedly is: could this simply be the lidocaine?
3. Does anyone have any idea what the remaining 40% of "Ching" might comprise?
4.. More generally, are RC sellers allowed to include unlisted psychoactive ingredients in such products

Was that you featured recently in a Daily Mail article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...floor-public-toilet-injecting-legal-high.html

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

That part worries me a little. "I noticed this powder burns through skin so I thought it'd be a good idea to stick it in my veins"

Fair point, but just because a substance is corrosive to mucous membranes doesn't mean it is worse IV'd - in fact, often the reverse is true. Not that I'd recommend IVing large doses of ethylphenidate, but that's because it is largely a shite stim with too many peripheral side effects.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I went through a period of IVing ethyphenidate. I found it most satisfying, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Jesusgreen]

1. 100mg total EPH seems like a large IV dose for these subtle effects. Can anyone explain this?
2. The injection felt very clean and pain-free given how caustic this substance reputedly is: could this simply be the lidocaine?
3. Does anyone have any idea what the remaining 40% of "Ching" might comprise?
4.. More generally, are RC sellers allowed to include unlisted psychoactive ingredients in such products

Forgot to answer those questions directly so:

1. Explained in my post above, don't believe the ingredients list or the % of active ingredient claimed, and even if it's correct the other ingredients can interfere with the high sometimes.
2. Yes, lidocaine is a local anaesthetic, not much surprise there.
3. Absolutely anything, seriously. All we know is it's a solid that resembles powder.
4. Yes, RC vendors can put whatever they want in the product. They're selling it "Not for human consumption" remember, so they face zero regulations whatsoever. Don't buy headshop blends you're always putting inactive stuff into your body for no reason. Just buy EPH itself if you want to take it, from a reliable source.