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Cocaine IV Cocaine as an Empathogen?

naginnudej

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This post is lengthy--many will claim unnecessarily so. That's nice. The decision to post this short journey in conjunction with the central question is driven by my ego's quest for acceptance and knowledge; there is a bit of social experimentation as well but that's irrelevant. If it bores you, you're in a rush, you don't like reading, etc... you can just skip to the last two paragraphs and respond accordingly. Or not. Do not expect a poll. For those who have some self respect, please keep conversation somewhat civil. State your opinion without the dicksizing and ego bashing that unnecessarily sidetracks or forever sidelines perfectly good discussions all over BL. Let's have a thread which defies the bullshit.

ok.
One year ago I was introduced to the effects of insufflated cocaine. After multiple trials with a variety of different 'batches' of HCL (insufflated) material sourced from various vendors, I was left disappointed and confused by the unfulfilling, lackluster high offered by expensive lines of the shady white powder. Three months ago I was offered base product and taught to smoke it in the company of a once self-proclaimed crack 'queen' known for her cooking and smoking abilities. Although I was somewhat less disappointed by the linear euphoric push produced from good base, I was put off by the feelings of uncleanliness which often accompanied the time spent after I returned to baseline. I just couldn’t wrap my hands around the hype. Trials ended not long after they started in both instances.

The crack queen and I became close friends. Although our conversations were often littered with a dynamic exchange of informative drug knowledge and anecdotes, it took some time for me to grasp the magnitude of one technique the queen helped me become familiar with: IV drugs. Before becoming comfortable with my own technique, the queen happily offered to administer whichever substance we decided to experiment with on any given day. The first substances that were injected into my veins were a nice variety of RC psychedelics. The immediacy and intensity of these experiences were most intriguing. Thankfully, my poor technique did not allow me to become immediately consumed by the needle; however, about three months later, I was given the opportunity to inject and experience the seductive, smooth euphoric push produced by the opiate family and a hand-picked selection of my favorite RC stimulants. I made it a point to work on my technique so I could use solo. There was no turning back now—one might be so inclined to label it, ‘the beginning of the end.’

Anyone who knows me will tell you that I have always exhibited an uncanny tendency to dive headfirst into those activities which garner my attention at any given time (drugs or otherwise). Some might call it an addictive personality, I just say passionate devotee. Thus I have labeled this chapter in my journey as ‘the end’ simply because the needle offers the pinnacle experience for most substances. The more familiar I became, the ROAs which I was once so fond of became foreign and undesirable. Another dot in rearview.

Likewise, I began to learner myself and gather as much information about IV dug use. The number of substances I attempted to [safely] inject increased exponentially. It was not long before I was given the opportunity to inject base cocaine.

Even though I was fully aware that base dissolved with a acidic solution administered intravenously not only offers an almost indistinguishable experience to a proportional HCL dose, but it also much more dangerous and [possibly] more corrosive to one's veins than HCL, I decided to proceed. The shot was prepped and injected without fault.

I was in absolute amazement. "This is what it feels like?!?! What a pleasant surprise!” Delighted by the psychedelic nature of the auditory distortions produced by the massive quantities of dopamine flooding my system, I was immediately entranced by cocaine’s effects. Effects subsided and I was left to daydream. Following a lengthy period of abstinence, I was eager to hop back on the aluminum train.

The past month and a half or so has been my most consistent administration of cocaine. Aware of the risks that inevitably accompany IV cocaine use, I developed my technique, used sterile equipment, cleaned my product to the best of my ability and invested in those expensive tools which reduce impurities >.22nm. It was not long before I felt comfortable enough with the substance to express my currently held opinions to BL and gain some feedback.

However, while reading the reports offered by others, I was surprised by the discrepancies between their opinions on the experience and my personal evaluation of the IV cocaine experience. What I found was that a sizable portion of IV cocaine users view the experience as a highly personal, inward journey that is limited to a short burst of euphoria accompanied by the critically acclaimed bellringer followed by the desire to redose not long after.

Is it short? Yes. Euphoric? Absolutely. Regardless, this is not where the story ends.
I am relatively well versed in the headspace provided by those compounds which are widely accepted as entactogens. As such I can’t help but recognize the parallels (however shortlived) between the fleeting moments of a IV cocaine session and the empathogenic qualities present during the peak of a lovely dance with MDMA.

Anyone care to share their opinions on the matter? I’m aware of the subjectivity surrounding this question—please don’t tell me that. I wish to relate and discuss my experiences with anyone who wishes to do so—regardless of how they feel. have at it <3
 
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Since cocaine raises serotonin levels along with dopamine and norepinephrine, I am not surprised you would feel some entactogenic and empathogenic effects if you suddenly introduced a sizeable quantity of it into your bloodstream. You recognized these effects because you were familiar with other compounds which were primarily entacto/empathogenic. Most IV coke users are primarily looking for the rush, and so they don't really notice those particular sensations amidst the flood of dopamine and the bells. If you are primarily interested in empathogenic or entactogenic experiences, there are many ways to get there which are safer and less expensive than IV coke. The drug experience is all about setting and expectations.
 
Thanks for the input.

While I can absolutely appreciate and even identify with your hesitance to use the substance as an empathogen for its short lived, potentially dangerous and expensive high, you must understand that I would never attempt to use cocaine as a substitute for any of the longer-lasting, well known empathogens. The same goes for a cocaine substitute. IME, there is a certain entactogenic perspective (for lack of better word) that is unique to cocaine that deserves exploration I cannot describe this perspective with due justice yet, but when the time comes I will. I'll probably stop using it then too.

As I mentioned towards the end of my post, subjctivity is key to the classification of an empathogen. If you genuinely felt that Datura was empathogenic, it would be wrong of me to deny you that. Pharmacology does not have the final word.

Perhaps I didn't phrase my original question with the right intentions. As far as I know, the length of an experience, safety profile, and price range of a substance are nalso ot the main focus of empathogenic classification. As such, let's try again: does anyone see the merit in my often underappreciated claim? Is this discussion even worthwhile or will IV cocaine forever be condemned to the classification of the pinnacle of hedonistic indulgence?
 
IV cocaine will forever be accurately condemned to the classification of the hedonistic indulgence (although not necessarily the pinnacle). That's all it is, and even its strongest supporters and their embellished love claims cannot make it anything other than a 3 minute whop upside the head for individuals perpetually carrying a fat bag of appetites around with them. Ask the white lab rats, they know what they truly want to party with.......
 
I view all drug use as inherently hedonistic (withholding any spiritual/religious beliefs for sake of conversation). I won't for one second deny that this thread stinks of a long-winded justification for my (ab)use of [what I believe to be an entirely misunderstood] drug experience.

Regardless of the hedonistic drive involved in any pleasure-seeking activity, it would be entirely useless and cumbersome to stop there. The application of categories and subcategories therein which further classify the subjective experiences produced by a drug are useful in a variety of fields of medicine, philosophy, etc...

You mention that IV cocaine is nothing more
than a 3 minute whop upside the head
which attracts users who are notoriously self-indulgent. Just so I can better understand your perspective, would you also classify Psilocybin Mushrooms as solely pleasure-seeking substances?

I ask because it is not uncommon for a debate to arise between individuals who find the psychedelic experience offered Psilocybin Mushrooms as meaningless and those who [re]define their most closely-held personal philosophies following a comparable encounter. I feel a somewhat analagous predicament arises in the discussion of IV cocaine.

Even those psychedelic persons who share similar views in the above debate may differ in their interpretation of the meaning behind a 'bad trip.' Some would say it's useless and it should be avoided at all costs. Others might say such a thing does not exist; there is always good in the bad and vice versa--you just need to look hard enough. Do you see where I'm going with this?

As I see it, the fiendish, 'fat-bag appetites' of many IV cocaine users is an unchecked and unhealthy desire for a state of currently unsustainable entactogeneisis (i think i just made that word up lol). I won't dive further into that idea until more people get to discuss their opinions as well.
 
Forgive me if I don't share your knowledge or usage of pharmacology language, but reading through your posts I was struck by the notion that you are still in the "honeymoon stage" of IV coke use.

If you can set it aside and go back to RCs that give you the experience you desire, more power to you.

My own earlier experiences were similar to yours. However, at the end of my IV coke using days, I believe I resembled the Lord of the Rings character Gollum - hiding in a corner looking around furtively and hoping I could find more coke before I had to deal with the last shot.

I always came back to IV coke thinking it would be like those early days, but it never was. As good as the first shot was, at the end I was always trying to see how close I could get to killing myself without actually doing so. Good times.

Be safe. Have fun.

FC
 
I am interested in your report because I typically have not found cocaine to be an empathogen, far from it actually. I have experienced dissociation and derealization/depersonalization from it. It lacked the MDMA-type empathogen experience that I get out of methamphetamine.

Different strokes for different folks though. :)
 
IV coke had quite the opposite effect on me. It basicallly turned me into abit of a nut case and kinda a jerk as well. All i got from it was a ungodly rush and a bell ringer thats it. That and the tunnel vision, feeling like your going to puke thing from putting too much in the shot. Not to mention it completely wrecked my veins after only a few grams. I would rather smoke crack because atleast my veins wouldnt be a mess afterwards and you still get pretty much the same effect.

But drugs work on everyone differently. I find dextroamphetamine to be abit of a empathogen under the right circumstances and most people would say thats just nuts. So different strokes for different folks :\
 
Empathogen/entactogen is connected very much with MDMA effects. If one wanted a wider range of drugs that are empathogens/entactogens, then one could add various phenethylamines and tryptamines.

Cocaine can make a person more sociable and make some barriers go away - in that way cocaine may generally be viewed as an empathogen. I am more sociable after cocaine but on the other hand it's a pure stimulant. I don't like stimulants, cocaine is actually the only stimulant I could take now. Yet I prefer MDMA, MDA, MDBD etc. if I'm to choose some drug that makes me more sociable and emotional about contacts with other people.
 
I mostly used IV cocaine for the immense rush. Better than heroin in my opinion, but i ruined heroin for myself and never ruined cocaine(though i came close), and i ruined heroin before i had injected it. I will say that a good (real) speed ball was a better rush, but either way this is irrelevant to the thread.

I have never noticed this sort of effect from coke, but as mentioned it could have been that you were experiencing psychedelic type highs around the time you experienced this, and i hadn't tripped on any psychedelics nor had access to any besides ketamine for many months before starting to shoot coke.
 
I was struck by the notion that you are still in the "honeymoon stage" of IV coke use.

IME as a drug user that period lasts as long as you allow it to. As such it only seems fair that I bow out for a little while I'm still ahead; I'm going to seriously cut my use down until further notice. Thanks for the advice. My veins could use a rest anyway :p

Different strokes for different folks though. :)
But drugs work on everyone differently.
I'm happy with that. At least people see where I'm coming from.

Cocaine can make a person more sociable and make some barriers go away - in that way cocaine may generally be viewed as an empathogen.
I believe that if you pull down the right barriers it doesn't matter what substance is being used--the user ends up doing the the 'heavy lifting' regardless. Because I consider myself the type to strive for genuine respect/love no matter what the situation, there is definitely some spill over. Or perhaps I'm labeling my own sociability as something more than it's not (aka full of shit).

But who am I to judge? heh.

But just to reiterate: in no way am I looking for or attempting to use this as a MDxx replacement--I just couldn't help but share my experience with everyone else. Empathogens tend to do that, ya know? ;)
 
never IV'ed cocaine but i have IVed my fair share of ritalin last year. i was living in the dorms at the time, and i remember the first time after the injection i walked into the other room and had a very close conversation with one of my roommates who i didn't really like at the time, but at the time i felt very close to him and felt like i could tell him anything.
 
As good as the first shot was, at the end I was always trying to see how close I could get to killing myself without actually doing so.
Exactly, and if your are careful and want to avoid killing yourself at the 1st shot, it (the 1st shot) will not even be that extraordinary because you will divide it between two "mini-shots" in case you had misjudged the quality of your blow. After those initial "test shots", the only way to feel sujectively high was, as you put it, by injecting around the seizure threshold.

You know when things get systematically dangerous in your IV coke life when you have "small" (= conscious) seizures in two out of every three sessions.
 
The annoying thing is, you know that you're getting less from your sessions. That rush has gone down to one tenth of what it was. But one tenth of it is enough to make you come back. Why is this? Chasing that "1st hit"? Come on, we've known for years that any future hit will fall far short of it (90% short of it).

The fact is that even one tenth of that 1st hit is something that cannot be replaced by anything else. Nothing you eat, do, see, smell, take or inject can give you that feeling (however diminished with respect to what it once was).

This reminds me of multi-billionaires who lose 90% of their assets in a crisis. They still remain filthy rich by any account.
 
I'm happy with that. At least people see where I'm coming from.

Definitely. I find most people who like anything about stimulants, typically like IV cocaine or IV methamphetamine if they IV at all.

I definitely think there are less people who find the kind of effects you do out of cocaine, but they are definitely out there. Reading some experiences about people with cocaine makes me think there must be something wrong with me to get almost nothing like that out of it, haha.

The rushy sensation is definitely intense but it wasn't a very heart-felt experience to me, if that makes sense. If I used too much it would become somewhat unpleasant, which limited my ability to try out a different range of doses.

The annoying thing is, you know that you're getting less from your sessions. That rush has gone down to one tenth of what it was. But one tenth of it is enough to make you come back. Why is this? Chasing that "1st hit"? Come on, we've known for years that any future hit will fall far short of it (90% short of it).

Yeah, because of this, I would rarely administer it more than 3-4 times a day when I had the opportunity to do it as often as I wanted to. Doing it more often than this really builds a tolerance, and I enjoyed not really having a tolerance when I did it.
 
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