Misc IV Barbiturates

[SECONAL]

I have a question and IV use of phenobarbital and pentobarbital.

I'm going to be getting phenobarb vials and *might* be making a purchase of PENTObarbital soon and need help on dosing. The vials are 200mg and the pentobarbital is 25 grams (a powder, not pills).

Last year I used to get scripted Seconal 100mg's (although I lost my source, I got rejected/banned from ever coming back for service after I complained that my pills got trashed by a hateful family member and wanted a refill - which was retarded). At the time, I was able to take up to 400mg's of the seconal with alcohol without much problem, except for being high for 2 days, falling, and slurred speech. Barbiturates and alcohol ("Geronimo" as they used to call it back in the 50's and 60's) is my favorite. Was and still is my DOC.

The pheno vials are for IV and the pento powder...well I don't even know of that breaks down in water...

I want to know if 600mg IV is a good dose of pheno for a 125 lbs female and if that pentobarbital powder is safe to IV/mixes well with water?

 

[amapola]

if that pentobarbital powder is safe to IV/mixes well with water?

The free acid form is only slightly soluble in water and the sodium salt is freely soluble.

I don't know anything about dosing barbs. Just read up on it and start low.

 

[hobhead]

that's some deadly shit that you are abusing. Are you looking forward to choking on your own vomit while passed out. Is respiratory failure something that you lust for?
you need help friend!

 

[adder]

Barbiturates have a tendency to form tautomers in alkaline solutions and in such solutions they form soluble salts, e.g. pentobarbital keto-tautomer <-> pentobarbital enol-tautomer + Na(+) -> sodium salt of pentobarbital (active ingredient in Nembutal).

600mg of phenobarbital is a big dose and you're thin. Are you addicted to barbiturates? If not, then it must have been quite a lot of time since your last ingestion, so you don't really have a tolerance to bear 600mg of phenobarbital with God only knows what you will want to mix it with.

 

[sekio]

A word of warning, IV barbiturates are one of the gold standards in animal (and occasionally human) euthanasia for a reason. Be very, very careful, and ALWAYS start with a low dose if using IV. I would not reccomend slamming a huge bolus of phenobarb unless you have a death wish.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I feel the need to echo what other posters have said, even with tolerance, the IV route is a whole nother ball game and the barbs have a really narrow theraputic index.

Start very very low and be careful, please.

 

[hobhead]

oregon, my home state, has assisted suicide for those who are suffering with no end in sight.

a barbiturate cocktail is what is administered to stop respiration and quickly end the patient's life. The OP's post is so disturbing!

 

[adder]

From what I know only phenobarbital is a WHO essential medication as an anticonvulsant. And I can imagine that's in countries where there are problems with diazepam availability. Phenobarbital is easy to synthesize.

And I guess it's phenobarbital for a reason... Its long action makes it less addictive than secobarbital or pentobarbital. I didn't much like how phenobarbital made me feel on the following day. Secobarbital and pentobarbital didn't leave with that kind of hangover and, well, these barbiturates were abused the most along with thiopental when barbiturates took their toll in the past...

 

[SECONAL]

No I'm not addicted to barbs. Just a huge fan of 'em Opiates are hard to come by in my state, people are SO stingy about them even with medical proof and records of being in pain. Oh well, I'll have to wait for the dilaudids...

Glad to hear that the pentobarbital sodium is water-loving. Read somewhere online that it really wasn't despite secobarbital sodium being so. That will motivate me on buying it, and 25grams is a lot. Someone could capsule about 250 100mg pills or get sterile water and have an injectable solution.

I have in the past IVed a few of my seconal pills. But when I did, I'd only use about 40mg's because it needing a lot of water and I only had the 1cc insulin syringe. The effects only lasted about 30mins but was very potent - like being drunk instantly.

but phenobarbital is weak when taking under 400mgs orally (at least to me), and someone told me that IV pheno is similar to a short acting barb. I used to use it regularly last winter (around 200mgs every other day) and my last dose was in February.

 

[SECONAL]

oregon, my home state, has assisted suicide for those who are suffering with no end in sight.

a barbiturate cocktail is what is administered to stop respiration and quickly end the patient's life. The OP's post is so disturbing!

Yes, they have a legal assisted suicide in Oregan. They are the only state to have in the States.

One must be terminally ill and have to request it by the doctor - then be seen by a second doc for approval. After that, he or she must sign a contract/release with a witness for the script for a lethal dose of either seconal or nembutal.

From what I've read, nembutal (brand pentobarbital) costs around $700 - $1000+ without insurance (no insurance company will pay for a death).

Many 'right to die' organizations remote people who want to end their life to travel out-of-country (like Switzerland) or to Mexico to obtain pentobarbital.

 

[mr. mudd]

I was once prescribed the last vials of liquid phenobarb that existed in Winnipeg for IV use to help with opiate withdrawal. I can't tell you the dosage, but I don't think it was as high as yours. It took about two vials to give me that drunk feeling and I was able to sleep about two hours, which was much less than I'd hoped.

I can't imagine what sort of world you live in where liquid barbs are easier to come by than opiates.

Alcohol and barbs is just too dangerous, with all due respect. I appreciate your wanting to stumble around Syd Barrett-like and see the flies but it's just way too easy to cross that line into death. Leave out the barbs and do 8 quick shots of Jagermeister if you want to slur your words.

 

[SECONAL]

Mmm...Jagermeister cocktail sounds so good! Maybe I could make a "liquid cocaine" or a "surfer on acid" lol

^what dosage was your IV phenobarb? Thats strange you didn't sleep. when withdrawing from opiates I'd always take a barb - it was the only way I could rest.

Mixing barbiturates and liquor (a good brand - no scar throat cheap shit) has personally done me well at safe doses at the time. Too bad there's no liquor stores were I'm at...all I have is four lokos at the gas station! I'd normally make a Geronimo out of Malibu rum/secobarbital.

Do y'all think the phenobarbital will burn?

 

[Dilosets]

How does it feel to IV use barbiturates? How does it differ from just swalloving the pills I mean.
Best to use the liquid form I guess...

And SECONAL; ever tried Amytal? Blue capsules...amobarbital. That's the one barbiturate I ever tried a long time ago. Gave me a nice pleasant knock-out.
And back in my early teens (some decades ago...) I remember coming across some pills called Citopan, which contained 250 mg hexobarbital.

And while talking about barbiturates... Does anyone of you know a website that contains a list of most barbiturates, and wether they are long-, intermidiate-, short-, ultrashort-acting?

The most prescribed barbiturates in my country were (< note past tense, WERE ) amobarbital, cyclobarbital, aprobarbital, hexobarbital and phenobarbital.
Anyone knows which category those four belong to? (Well, pheno is long-acting, that I know. Have tried them)

 

[SECONAL]

No I've never had amobarbital before. I really wish tuinal was still around but they discontinued it back in 2008. All Ive tried was pheno and secobarb.

Hexobarbital! Wow....you're lucky to have tried that. Hexobarb is rare, but wasn't that used to knock people out before surgery?

I want cyclobarbital, pentobarbital and Pentothal. Taken with a shot of rum, I'd be higher than god. Does anyone else prefer the old school stuff more than the popular DEA over controlled crap we commonly have today?

There's plenty of sites that list the different barbs. My favorite one is actually a site that has old magazine drug ads from the 40s, 50's and 60's (decodog.com)

 

[Dilosets]

Yes, hexobarbital was used to give short anesthesia (liqued form).
But it was also in pill form for use for insomnia, the Citopan 250 mg.
They were discontinued in the mid-80s.
I have an old medicine-book that list several barbiturates.

Here, most barbs were taken off the market when Rohypnol was launced in the mid-70s, so they're extremely rare here (barbs). Now Rohypnol is gone too... I miss them.

The site you reffer to is the best, lol. I like watching those adds.

 

[Secobarbital]

I can't imagine taking 4 reds then drinking on top. You better be careful. It doesnt always happen the next time you get that wasted, but it WILL kill you. It's not if but when. I did a big mixture of oxycontin and seconal once, I'm glad I'm alive.

Also, drinking jager is no where near as good as seconal. I wish you could get completely leveled like that off alcohol and not get sick.

 

[SECONAL]

Another thing that I've noticed while using this substance, is that barbiturates make me really really want to listen to music...and makes me really silly and full of humor - even without alcohol - is this normal? Has anyone else experienced that...or was I just high?

And yes, Flunitrazepam is still around - just not in the USA. Rohypnol available in other countries.

 

[Secobarbital]

Another thing that I've noticed while using this substance, is that barbiturates make me really really want to listen to music...and makes me really silly and full of humor - even without alcohol - is this normal? Has anyone else experienced that...or was I just high?

And yes, Flunitrazepam is still around - just not in the USA. Rohypnol available in other countries.

You were probably just high, most people can't understand what I'm talking about when I take strong barbiturates like that. When I did "succeed" in conversation, It was at a much slower than normal pace.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I don't think barbiturates are going to be worth IVing (for the most part). It would primarily depend on if it was water soluble, if it would be quick acting, and short lasting.

I also wouldn't attempt to do this without knowing what dosage you can tolerate easily - you don't want to accidentally overdo it with barbs.

A barbiturate addiction can also be much worse than a benzo addiction, so I would be really careful. I would also avoid drinking on barbiturates in the future too.

 

[adder]

No I'm not addicted to barbs. Just a huge fan of 'em Opiates are hard to come by in my state, people are SO stingy about them even with medical proof and records of being in pain. Oh well, I'll have to wait for the dilaudids...

You should know sodium salt of phenobarbital/pentobarbital have a high oral bioavailability. So maybe there's no point in injecting them? There's little difference between taking them orally and shooting them IMO. Unless you really have something for needles and you just like injecting. In contrast to benzodiazepines there's no concrete antidote for an overdose on a barbiturate. A combo with opioids may be a lethal mix. I don't really like to talk about this and remind myself about this but my girlfriend died after taking one bottle of Luminal (10 x 100mg phenobarbital) and injecting some enormous amount of heroin (2.5-3g). It's totally different from mixing opioids and benzodiazepines.

Glad to hear that the pentobarbital sodium is water-loving. Read somewhere online that it really wasn't despite secobarbital sodium being so. That will motivate me on buying it, and 25grams is a lot. Someone could capsule about 250 100mg pills or get sterile water and have an injectable solution.

I described the process of forming salts of barbiturates as you didn't write if it's sodium salt of pentobarbital or if it's free acid. Sodium salts of barbiturates are known to be soluble in water but at certain pH. With phenobarbital vials it's different because you've got a buffered solution already.