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IV 4-aco-dmt

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I've been searchin about an hour. 4-aco-dmt and 2ci are both available to me at the moment, and I have never IV'd a psychedelic.

I am reading more good things about IV'd 4-aco-dmt than 2c-i, so I am leaning towards that.

I just need to know a good dose to start with. I had 20mg oral without being too overwhelmed, so I'm thinking something like 5-10mg. I don't want to overdo it though, I'm aiming for +2.5-+3. Suggestions, anyone? Preferably someone with experience.. Thanks.
 
Frankly I would suggest NOT IV-ing anything that is not certified pharmaceutical grade, produced by a pharma company and designed for the purpose of IV administration.

Who knows what's really in them in trace amounts that would be harmless under first pass oral metabolism, but could potentially be disastrous directly injected.

After all, these recearch chems are mostly from CHinese chemical manufacturers.

Remember:
- contaminated deadly pet food?
- contaminated BABY food?
- contaminated toys?
- contaminated medicines?

All courtesy of Chinese manufacturing companies.

I would also worry about bacterial/fungal contamination coming from over there (and really from anywhere not guaranteed pharma grade)

But you cannot be dissuaded, ABSOLUTELY be sure you sample a proper dose via oral means the week before, just to be certain you are getting what you think it is at the expected activity level. There have been enough screw ups by both vendors and manufacturers of a nature that while merely sickening orally, could be swiftly fatal injected.

Taking something acquired from essentially anonymous unknown vendor with unknown cleanliness handling procedures and possibly dilution substances... that THEY acquired in bulk from some Chinese company, containing possible adulterants/impurities and injecting it straight into you veins straight from your mailbox is really really foolish and a dumb way to die.

Test it oral first, no matter WHAT your assurances of legit-ness of the vendor/source is. Take your safety into your OWN hands, 100% under your own control, always.

<steps down from soapbox>
 
thanks for concern man! that's kinda why I decided against 2c-i, I've heard of potential dangers with it, but people have IV'd 30+mg of 4-aco with great results..

My 4-aco is active, from a VERY trusted vendor, and I got an MSDS report on it as well as an NMR. I've tested it orally and it was quite strong!

like I said, thank you for your concern though, much appreciated :)
 
Dwayne is right man, take his advise.

I spent a good portion of last year injecting 2c-e, 2c-t-2, and 2c-c. I also injected DPT intramuscularly and intravenously a few times. Whilst I wouldn't take those experiences back for an instant (!), it was - in hindsight - the most risky and foolish way of administering psychedelics under such conditions. I had many problems, from missed shots to extravated and collapsed veins. In all seriousness it was a fucking stupid undertaking, and I have discovered that you can get the same profound level of effects (if not better) by dosing in ways more friendly to your body. Reading of people's IV experiences online can make you thirsty for such an experience, but you should quench that desire with humility. It often looks better vicariously than it does through first-hand experience.

Just to let you know, all the phenethylamines I injected IV were very corrosive to the veins, they burned inside. I had to use antibiotics twice. I am lucky to not have had my arms amputated. Probably due to poor injection technique and lack of pharmaceutical grade buffers and tonicity regulation etc. I don't doubt that a pharmacologist could get it right, but doing it in your bedroom at home, with potentially unclean material is cutting it very fine.

If you are going to be a stubbon ass, then at least find someone to help you out. A doctor or nurse friend would be preferable. If you can't find one of them, filter your compound properly, and have someone with IV skills to hold things steady. Go slow. If you are alone, take care of yourself, use plenty of vitamin E creme. Really though, if you are going to do all of this, you may aswell just take the needle off the syringe and put it up your arse-hole. You will be saving yourself alot of agro.

:)
 
haha again dude thanks for the concern.

I am strongly considering your advice but I've already made up my mind. I promise I'm very sterile and very careful. I have lots of rubbing alcohol handy for sterilization etc.

I tried IVing 7mg 2ci and either I have a fat tolerance or its more disappointing than expected. it is pretty incredible orally, I think I'll leave it at that from now on haha. I might try a 4-aco-dmt shot in the near future but I'm gonna give IV a break for the night. Thanks for tips guys.

To survived abortion: what dose range were you on for 2c-i?
 
Definitely use a micron filter if you're going to IV. For the reasons mentioned above, this is pretty ill advised, but if you're going to do it anyway, please go about it in the safest manner possible. I've heard its a bit more DMT like when IV'd, i've only used this orally or via insufflation though. I preferred the oral due to the uncomfortable comeup when insufflated.
 
I'd be a bit worried about heavy metals being present in the substance if i were going to IV them, but I suppose that's a concern no matter how you take them, oral, IV or otherwise.
 
To be honest I really don't share Dwayne's concerns about IV use of RCs. Street drugs are way dodgier and nobody sees shooting them as such a big deal if that's what somebody wishes to do with them. It would have to be some pretty nasty contamination for it to be a big concern IVing something - anthrax wouldn't be wise - but you'd still be at risk using anything that contaminated orally. Fuck, some of the horribly impure street drugs cut to hell with fuck knows what that I've shot up boggle the mind but have never once boggled the body. That's not to say IVing anything is necessarily wise... but it really isn't half as risky as some seem to think.

OP: I would definitely recommend not shooting any 2Cs cos they all seem to fuck with the body - especially the heart - to varying levels of discomfort. Doesn't feel very safe and, to be honest, it's a shitty ROA for them even if it felt totally safe.

IV 4-AcO-DMT was amazing but unbelievably intense. I'd suggest 5mg as a pretty strong dose with 10mg being a complete disconnection with reality for a while. You have no clue what's going on and can barely see for all the visual distortion. Have never gone higher and really don't feel the need to cos I doubt you'd remember much of anything if you did. It felt "safe" compared to shooting 2Cs but the intensity is overwhelming - very similar to IV DMT according to folks who've shot both. Don't underestimate the potency of the stuff if you do try to shoot it - 5mg may look like a stupidly small dose that would do sod all but believe me it does. It is nothing like oral dosing - not exactly recreational and no use for social tripping. It's very much a short, sharp shock. Can also be rather fiendish due to the brevity of the experience - a strong contender for the "Hippy Crack" crown, for sure.

Check out the 4-AcO-DMT IV subthread - think it's linkied in the first post in the main 4-AcO-DMT thread or search for it. Myself and others described it in more detail there - worth a read through but some of the doses suggested are just plain silly and irresponsible, in my opinion.
 
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I would think that using a sterile filter would at least ensure your solution is sterile. other contaminants are another story
 
I think some folks are confusing IV injection with IM injection. It's IM that you have to worry about being super-sterile for. Well, far more than you need to worry about hypersterility than with IV. Heroin is regularly carried from one place to another up someone's arse. And it's usually been through several other arses before that. And people shoot that all the time.

Being as sterile as possible, micron filtering and so in is always a Good Thing - I would always recommend people do if they can. But keep the possible risks in perspective a lil maybe, folks?
 
any major dude said:
why heavy metals?
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Was responding to this:

DwayneHoover said:
Who knows what's really in them in trace amounts that would be harmless under first pass oral metabolism, but could potentially be disastrous directly injected.

After all, these recearch chems are mostly from CHinese chemical manufacturers.

Remember:
- contaminated deadly pet food?
- contaminated BABY food?
- contaminated toys?
- contaminated medicines?

All courtesy of Chinese manufacturing companies.
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It may be more accurate to say "toxic metals", since not all of them are really all that heavy.

If i had to pick one thing to be worried about due to poor manufacturing practices, it would probably be those metals, but that's partly my own paranoia about them showing :)

Hell, somehow lead and cadmium end up in toys and novelty cups sold through legitimate channels, and these RCs are being produced in small batches by unknown (to us) chemical companies for the most part, who knows what quality assurance they have.
 
Shambles said:
To be honest I really don't share Dwayne's concerns about IV use of RCs. Street drugs are way dodgier and nobody sees shooting them as such a big deal if that's what somebody wishes to do with them. It would have to be some pretty nasty contamination for it to be a big concern IVing something - anthrax wouldn't be wise - but you'd still be at risk using anything that contaminated orally. Fuck, some of the horribly impure street drugs cut to hell with fuck knows what that I've shot up boggle the mind but have never once boggled the body. That's not to say IVing anything is necessarily wise... but it really isn't half as risky as some seem to think.

OP: I would definitely recommend not shooting any 2Cs cos they all seem to fuck with the body - especially the heart - to varying levels of discomfort. Doesn't feel very safe and, to be honest, it's a shitty ROA for them even if it felt totally safe.

IV 4-AcO-DMT was amazing but unbelievably intense. I'd suggest 5mg as a pretty strong dose with 10mg being a complete disconnection with reality for a while. You have no clue what's going on and can barely see for all the visual distortion. Have never gone higher and really don't feel the need to cos I doubt you'd remember much of anything if you did. It felt "safe" compared to shooting 2Cs but the intensity is overwhelming - very similar to IV DMT according to folks who've shot both. Don't underestimate the potency of the stuff if you do try to shoot it - 5mg may look like a stupidly small dose that would do sod all but believe me it does. It is nothing like oral dosing - not exactly recreational and no use for social tripping. It's very much a short, sharp shock. Can also be rather fiendish due to the brevity of the experience - a strong contender for the "Hippy Crack" crown, for sure.

Check out the 4-AcO-DMT IV subthread - think it's linkied in the first post in the main 4-AcO-DMT thread or search for it. Myself and others described it in more detail there - worth a read through but some of the doses suggested are just plain silly and irresponsible, in my opinion.
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Thanks Shammy you always make these valid points so I don't have to:)
 
I have IV'd it in doses up to 30mg or so. It is intense, to say the very least. Very DMT like but post breakthrough, when you start to come down it can feel a little alien, a little unpleasant. Hard to describe really. If n,n,-DMT is available it is always preferable despite how similar they are.

I have had several difficult IV 4-aco-DMT trips and no difficult n,n,-DMT trips.
 
Were those higher dose (~30mg) trips with any tolerance, Abrad? I had zero tolerance when I tried it IV but noticed that tolerance rose rapidly and so did my doses. The 5-10mg figures were presuming little or no major tolerance. I also noticed that oral doses didn't seem to affect IV tolerance as much as prior IV dosing did - tolerance only rocketed when I was IVing it. Seemed to be very short-term tolerance but I found it pretty fiendish so IV dosing tended to be more of a mini-binge than I'd be likely to do with oral dosing.

I know what you mean about it feeling somewhat alien. Have never shot DMT itself but it felt similar to the descriptions of that I've seen. Intensely disorientating and to say it was pretty visual would be a slight understatement. Not like oral 4-AcO-DMT visuals for me - far more chaotic. I fell off my chair and couldn't get up more than once too so a chair that's comfy and hard to fall out of or even better a bed would maybe be wise too.
 
First time was with no tolerance, the compound had just landed on my lap. Subsequently I have used at various doses with and without tolerance.

I have also IV'd n,n,-DMT (fumerate salt made from a very clean MHRB extraction, not my handywork btw). It is a far more pleasant experience upon re-entry, feels just like the after effects of a smoked DMT trip.

The simple fact that IV'ing works also seems to debunk the theory that 4-aco-DMT is simply a prodrug for psilocin...
 
abrad84 said:
The simple fact that IV'ing works also seems to debunk the theory that 4-aco-DMT is simply a prodrug for psilocin...
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IV'ing heroin also works, but heroin itself merely crosses the blood brain barrier quicker, it isn't actually very active until it metabolizes into other things:

Heroin is rapidly metabolized by esterase enzymes in the brain and has an extremely short half life. It has also very weak affinity to μ-opioid receptors because the 3-hydroxy group which is essential for binding to the receptor is masked by the acetyl group. So heroin is just a pro-drug, it is morphine and other minor metabolites that actively bind with μ-opioid receptors
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6-monoacetylmorphine
 
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