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Opioids IV #3 Heroin (?)

alt 14 said:
Idk how many non-water soluble cuts will dissolve in water tbh, just going off the definition.

But for anything that is soluble in water, it will become more soluble. And will also speed rxn.
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correct and speaking from experience citric alone fails to dissolves all of the heroin ''despite what people might read online'' without heating you will be left with grains.
and im paranoid i wouldnt shoot that up,it could cause a clot.
 
Why is it bad, especially in the case of #3? Why? You might be right, but right now I don't see it. Again I'm not an expert on dope, but why?

Like a reason why it'd be worse than no heat.
 
It causes things that are less soluble to dissolve. Once it cools, these particles precipitate out into your blood stream. It does NOTHING to kill bacteria or help more H dissolve. H hcl is highly soluble and doesn't need heat to dissolve. It's not that the cuts are insoluble, just that they are LESS soluble, in general

That's my understanding anyway.
 
alt 14 said:
Why is it bad, especially in the case of #3? Why? You might be right, but right now I don't see it. Again I'm not an expert on dope, but why?

Like a reason why it'd be worse than no heat.
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once again, as I explained to you previously it is bad because heat aids the dissolving of non water soluble cuts. Those insoluble cuts can later cause problems in your veins by hardening.
It may be ok if you let the solution cool then use a micron filter. Though, Idk I can't suggest that to someone. I don't use heroin but it makes complete sense.
 
Ok for anyone that's actually heated up a shot and then waited 3,5 seconds, idk 10? I didn't time it. Then decided to stick your finger in the spoon. You would see that that small amount of liquid spread over a surface area as big as a spoon rapidly cools to room temperature. Rapidly.

So if you would wait just a few seconds after heating, things that were not freely soluble would drop out of solution. And would thus be filtered out.. And no I didn't shoot it after I touched the spoon, it was shitty "coke" that never dissolved. I just took ate it off the spoon, and no, weren't effects from it. Not rly when snorted either.

And alkaloids in freebase ie #3 are insoluble in any amount of water. That's why you need to add acid, to convert it to a salt.

P,S. I only heated it for maybe 2 seconds, took the flame off and it flashed a boil right as I did that. Idk why anyone would do longer for any reason.
 
Ok I just saw the let it cool thing, but what I was getting at is this happens on its own anyway. Unless you can heat it, throw the filter on, and put the needle tip in and begin to suck before it cools entirely. And that would be hard to do unless you were trying it, ime.
 
They can get it done quick. Listen, man, I'm not sure of all the science, but literally every hr resource you can find will tell you the same thing "Don't heat #4 heroin". While I don't claim to know everything about why, I'm willing to accept that there is no benefit from it. And there is plenty that you can't see precipitating out over time.

Think about it this way: Why do people do a COLD water extraction? To get less Tylenol. Even if your solution is perfectly clear, you still got some, but less than you would with warm water.
 
OP: You really, really need to reconsider IVing heroin after only doing it 2-3 times, especially since you don't plan on being an addict (8)) Like other's have said, you should be getting absolutely rocked by any ROA. Either your dope is shit or you aren't doing it right. A fair amount of people have told me snorting #3 isn't that effective unless dissolved into liquid and 'sprayed' up your nose. Smoking heroin can also be tricky considering you've only smoked things a few times in your life. How did you smoke it?

Also, I really know you don't want to hear this, but considering this is an HR forum, I'm just going to say it: You are really starting down a wrong path real quick. Many people consider IVing to be 'the point of no return' when it comes to opiate addiction. I say that knowing you can obviously 'return' but it will be very, very hard. I don't know a single person who didn't get addicted after IVing H. If you decided to IV, you are going to be a junkie sooner than you'd like. Do you really think you know something no one else does, that you have a trick that will guarantee you wont get hooked, even after deciding to IV H? If so, please, by all means, share. You know I say this with all the love in the world. Don't ruin your life.
 
Ok well this thread is about freebased dope, not the salt. I've never personally seen the base or have any idea how long it takes to dissolve in citric acid tbh, or even know if you need to heat it at all. But it doesn't take long for the solution to cool, at all.

Everything not freely soluble in water will drop out of solution in that 5 odd seconds it takes to cool from when when it flashes a boil when you drop the cotton in and stick the needle in. This is common sense knowledge everyone's supposed to know in grade 9 chemistry class.

I'm not a chemist or some sort of heroin guru but this is things as I understand them :? Unless my memory is wrong but I'm pretty sure of this or I wouldn't have posted it to begin with
 
Ok...you guys can argue and reason it out all you want but it is confusing the matter. According to the Bluelights harm reductions threads regarding injections and heating your shot...they always say DO NOT DO IT. Alt 14, you keep saying you are not an expert and you don't have the experience but you still keep arguing the point of why it is ok or should be done. If we take that info and disregard it and read all the HR threads regarding This subject by the people who have the personal experience and some expertise on this subject (and all of the mods in this area) they all say the same thing and that is not to heat it. There is tons of background info and detailed reasoning on why it shouldn't be done. My intent is not to be inflammatory or piss you off byut why keep arguing this? Here are several more threads, by the mods and other with the expertise that explain why you should never heat a shot.

"NONE OF THESE SHOULD BE HEATED WHEN PREPARING FOR PARENTERAL INJECTION. Black Tar Heroin: Black Tar Heroin is prevalent on the West Coast of the United States HR note to all as the issue of applying heat to opiates has been a very hot topic (no pun intended) as of late. According to the experience of many, and the science that back's it up, under most circumstances in the USA you do not heat heroin. Especially not powder heroin, but not tar either. The reason you don't ever apply heat is, when you do apply heat tar, you introduce all the contaminates, cuts, and probably degrade the active ingredient a little bit while allowing all the precipitate matter to join the solution. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LEFT WITH VISIBLE "TAR" IN YOUR SPOON, ALL THE HEROIN HAS GONE INTO THE WATER. THE VISIBLE "TAR" IS INACTIVE INGREDIENT, LIKELY THE SUBSTANCE THAT YOUR HEROIN HAS BEEN CUT WITH. This is only difference between a hot shot and cold shot of heroin, hot shots DO NOT get you higher. Don't be fooled by what you see, your eyes cannot see milligrams, but all the heroin has all gone into the cold water. Man people's eyes play tricks on them when they heat the solution and no longer cannot see the particulate matter,, but it's is still there, but melted in with solution. When you run a solution that was heated/cooked and not allowed to completely cool down in time, when you run it through the filter, the adulterants/contaminates/inactive ingredients slip right through the filter and into your syringe. Even though it may look clear to you, it is almost as dangerous as IVing without a filter, since the filter couldn't effectively filter out the particulate matter from the cooked/hot solution of heroin/water/melted cut. Another common myth is that cooking your shots kills all bacteria eliminating risk of bacterial infection. This is false because bacteria thrive in wet, warm/hot environments, and if you actually applied enough heat to kill all bacteria, you would have degraded the active ingredient, heroin, significantly. So another reason to do cold shots: No added degradation of heroin. To minimize risk of bacterial infection, practice proper injection technique, absolutely EVERYTHING that comes in contact with the drug, your solution, your rigs, etc, must be sterile. When mashing the heroin with a plunger in cold water in your cooker or spoon, be EXTRA sure that you've sterilized the plunger, and have washed your hands with isopropyl alcohol, or even better use non-latex gloves. There are more germs on your fingers than most other parts of your body so it is VITAL that you maintain a sterile environment every step of the preparation and injection procedure."

Even if you let the solution cool and then run through a wheel filter some particles can re congeal after they are in your body..then you are basically screwed. Cotton filters are not going to filter it all out and do you seriously think this kid (and a lot of ohters)0 are utilizing wheel filters? I think not though maybe I'm wrong. The point is, there is no advantage to heating the shot at all, so by letting it cool or not, why take the chance? Again, there is no advantage regardless of what some people think so why do it?
 
Omfg, I give up on you guys. You're hopeless. I never told anyone to heat their shots. Not one fucking time. Just said that you logically could. And that it would speed up convert from freebase alkaloid to citrate. ...and if you would read what I posted instead of telling me I'm wrong 3times, you would see I said on a number of occasions that I didn't even know if it was required at all, and that you could accomplish the same thing with rapidly stirring.

If you don't understand how a solution works, fine, be it so, but don't fucking tell me I'm wrong. It's common knowledge. And you. Are. Wrong.

Say you have a partially soluble particle, APAP or whatever you want, partially soluble.. You heat up the solution, it becomes super-saturated. You drop the temperature back to inital conditions, solubility drops back to initial conditions as well; and like, I know, for a fact, this would happen in just a hand full of seconds before you put the needle in.

P.S. and you wouldn't need a wheel filter afaik, least anymore than you would any other shot.. Just a little piece of cotton... I don't see how heating up sterile water would put extra bacteria in there, tbph..
 
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Guys with european heroin,we heat it,you are forgetting we can smoke ours its completely different to yours,if we dont heat it,we would lose most of the heroin,i appreciate bluelights advice but this is the reality of european heroin use.

it simply wont dissolve in a safe or efficient way without heat.
 
eireann said:
Guys with european heroin,we heat it,you are forgetting we can smoke ours its completely different to yours,if we dont heat it,we would lose most of the heroin,i appreciate bluelights advice but this is the reality of european heroin use.

it simply wont dissolve in a safe or efficient way without heat.
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I smoked like double the dose i snorted and it gave me a weak high...
 
when you melt it,does it turn red or clear around the sides? or is it very black?

It should taste very strong and pungent,if its tastes light with a chemical after taste,its not heroin or its cut to shit.

either way its not good gear anyone will tell you even if you had bad gear a first time user should get a strong high off smoking it.
 
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Depending on where he lives and where he bought it (most likely of the streets),its almost guaranteed that he got garbage. I dont know what paper i have read but except from some parts of Uk and Netherland, european dope is usually way below 50% purity, and you can be sure of that, if you buy on a scale of 200mg! I live in germany and i have met people who got busted with dope as low a purity as 2,5%. The average on the steet in Hamburg is maybe between 10-and 25% if you get lucky, but this is my pure guesstimate (police claimes 67% of dope they tested below 20%). European dope needs an acid a slight amount of heat to let it dissolve, because its heroin base. Adulterants will not re solidify upon cooling, not tha i have ever seen it. I dont know in what kind of world you live, but harm from adulterants will be one of his least concern anyway, if he goes down this path. He should be concerned about about collapsed veines, overdose, prison time, hepatitis c, MMT, destruction of family, homelessness etc.
 
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I'm not surprised the adulterants don't precipitate out over there. Here in America we use things that are very water soluble for cuts. Like sugars(sucrose), sugar alcohols(mannitol), and salts. Again, this shit is getting in ur vein anyway. No matter if you heat it or not.

Interesting recent posts about having to actually warm up your shots of #3. Again, it's a commonly known fact that solutes will precipitate out of solvents when the solution is cooled. Because its common knowledge I don't have to cite it, and that information is accessible to anyone in a quick wiki read of solutions and/or precipitation in chemistry section.

If you call me wrong again, I will report your post. YOU are the one spreading misinformation, though I believe it to be unintentional. Look it up on your own or leave it alone. Now.
 
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