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It's a FACT... MDMA makes you depressed

that sounds exactly like a couple of people who i know, who have done way too many pills. like every weekend for 3 years...

now theyre pretty fucked up, exactly how you describe, sudden mood swings, theyll fly off the handle and get extremely angry and depressed about nothing. its pretty freaky, theyre fine one minute, and them suddenly theyre all pissed off and sad. there is no doubt in my mind that its the abuse of MDMA that has put them in this state.

of course, be sensible and moderate your use, and youll probably benefit greatly from doing a little E every now and then. dont kid yourself though, its an extremely powerful drug, and if you fuck around with it, it will fuck you back twice as hard...
 
As with any experience in life most perceptions are personal and can not be regarded as universal.

your personality more than likely dictates how you'll respond to cetain situations and perhaps the reported depression cases on this board are a result of other factors outside of MDMA usage. To me it seems those who are young and over use are more apt to display depression symptoms. However depression in young adults is NOT uncommon and should not be blamed solely on drug usage.

Rolling since '92 and lovin it every time
 
Wouldn't it be better this being in the darkside forum?

Ecstasy Discussion should keep a nice vibe. Things like this make newbs turn away and make the users regret.

Lets keep this forum happy :D
 
That sounds like a great idea. Hide this in the Dark Side the the "newbs" probably overlook it (until maybe the shit hits the fan, then they start looking and posting in there).

The reality is for a lot of people, MDMA abuse causes depression. Not everyone, and if it doesn't happen to you, it is hard to believe. When I read posts that say "Well I never get depressed....it's all in your head...." I think to myself, I remember when I used to think that.

Does everyone get depressed? No. Why do some and others do not? Unknown. Our knowledge of the brain is quite finite, effects of MDMA abuse also finite.

To the newbs who are reading this, take heed. Taking MDMA every weekend for months on end can catch up to you. After reading posts here and elsewhere for almost 3 years, this has become apparent. From personal experience, this has become apparent. Enjoy what you have, but a weekly serotonin storm (try hurricane) in your head is not necessarily good and healthy, or harmless.

Moderation is key.

PS - Moderation isn't dropping every other week. Don't kid yourself.
 
Well, i was tested a long time ago for ADD and the doctors said I had a little bit of it... so yes, I do have a little attention problems, but it is by no means life affecting... just makes me a little hyper sometimes... not a bad thing.

I don't even like to smoke so much pot anymore, as the high is much better when you dont smoke every day.

but we have several factors that have been proven:

MDMA use DOES (scientifically proven) cause one's seratonin receptors to be worn out, caused spots in ones brain to become in-active. therefor the receptors are worn out, damaged, whatever, thus they dont produce the correct amount of seratonin.

Because of this fact, we all know it causes damage, but how much when it occurs, to what intensity, etc etc... we dont know.

So I took alot of it, and stoped... didn't really notice the depression thing for a few months.

So it's clear that I've had a little mood swing thing goin' on about a year + after I used.

But then think of the day after, and a week or two after that.... you def. have HARDCORE depression the 1st and 2nd day after a hard roll.

FACT BABY FACT


and dont say it hasn't been proven, it has. Maybe not the depression thing, because inactive seratonin receptors can do diff. things for diff. people, but the damage has been prooven from MDMA... what it does to you is your deal.
 
Well, it's definitely made me more paranoid/anxious long-term. Don't know whether it's a direct change in my brain from the drug, or whether the short term panic attacks/anxiety it gave me, sparked off a genuine emotional problem.
 
As ibizakat pointed out, the "blue Tuesdays" after a weekend of E do not meet the clinical definition of depression. Everybody feels depressed at some points in their life when bad things happen to them. The link between E and the temporary acute "depression" caused by serotonin depeletion is well estabished; however, the link between E and long-term chronic depression is much more tenuous, especially because of recent studies showing that psychological disturbances often begin to manifest themselves BEFORE drug use, thus implying that depression may be a cause rather than an effect of E usage.
 
Ok, so its a FACT that mdma causes depression.

Are you a doctor?

In just 6 months, it was proven cocaine damages you long term.

Since the 1930's in germany where mdma was first introduced, for 70 years, they can't find any proven results that mdma damages you long term.

MDMA is Science. Depression is Science. Lets make our oppinions from the results of Science.
 
CompTA said:
Not having any E makes me depressed. :(
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That's funny CompTA! I feel you on that one... I started using e in 1999 and was doing it almost every month for about a year. I did notice feeling depressed sometimes just for no reason and I started to get paranoid thinking it was because of the drugs. I do believe that e is a factor in regards to depression but probably not as much as you think. Your entire environment influences how you think and feel so don't be so quick to blame it on just one thing. My boyfriend has serious ADD, he can't keep a job for more than a month and wasn't very good in school and gets bored very quickly. He has been really depressed ever since I met him and it's so sad because he's a great person. Anyways, he started using e with me for around 2 years now (we only drop every couple of months, if that) and he still has his days of being really sad but I've noticed he has changed so much since he tried e. He actually has a more positive outlook on life and has been more appreciative of life than ever before, he's actually really happy most of time. Now please don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying that e isn't potentially dangerous and doesn't effect your brain but I think a lot of it has to do with YOUR way of thinking. Your mind is so powerful and if you start to think something is true, then it is. Remember: "If you think you can or cannot, you're right!"
 
You're a "hardcore" bling bling drug dealer and your girl won't suck your dick ? Weak man, weak!
 
MDMA use DOES (scientifically proven) cause one's seratonin receptors to be worn out, caused spots in ones brain to become in-active. therefor the receptors are worn out, damaged, whatever, thus they dont produce the correct amount of seratonin
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Receptor downgrading is not neurotoxicity; it is a deliberate and controlled reaction, like a biochemical version of flexing a muscle. MDMA neurotoxicity destroys axons, not receptors.

MDMA use does not cause lasting changes to activity/blood flow in the brain. That is the fact. Drag yourself over to Neurotoxicity: Human research and the Neuron for a little basic anatomy.
 
^ i read somewhere that although the cells ecstasy kills do grow back, they grow back abnormally and connect to the wrong parts of the brain - causing problems such as limited short term memory. They proved it on animals, and by observing at humans they say it's very likely it does the same. does anyone know if this is for real?
 
at high enough doses, i'm sure the damage could be extensive enough to cause deformed regrowths.

those animal tests tend to use absurdly high doses, WAY over a typical recreational dose. while its possible for a few pills worth of mdma to cause damage like this, i dont think its very likely.
 
I just want to say that E has caused me some problems, especially when it is good E and good E has not been around lately. I usually don't eat E anymore than maybe once a month, although whenever good E comes around I tend to get a little carried away and end up eating way more than I know I should. Another problem that I have with E is the fact that I have been around it so long that I get it a lot cheaper and that also causes me to eat it more. I really like E for E and I should not be stupid and ruin that, I should only reserve the use of E for when I really feel that I should use it. I wish there were things that could be done to completely fix what E does, but there isn't and that is why drugs are a conscious decision. I really just need to be more conscious now when I eat it. I am currently trying to really cut back, but I always want to have the option to eat it in the future if the opportunity presents itself, but only under special circumstances. I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
 
Ive not been using pills much, but i have prolly gone though around 20 in 4 months.

I have noticed mood swings the weekafter, but thats about it.

I feel better a person and i am alot more open and relaxed about life.

MDMA most likley will do some damage somewhere its only natural. But you can live your life like a nun, only to be diagnosed with terminal cancer.
 
Originally posted by djestes But then think of the day after, and a week or two after that.... you def. have HARDCORE depression the 1st and 2nd day after a hard roll.

FACT BABY FACT
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perhaps you meant to write "i def. have HARDCORE depression the 1st and 2nd day after a hard roll."

fact is, you don't know anything about me.

could in suggest you consider editing your original post subject to: " It's a FACT... MDMA makes me depressed"

which seems more appropriate.

alasdair
 
i've munched hundreds of pills over about 6 years. of course when starting off i only took them now and again, then it was about once a month, then eventually every weekend. now at 29 i know my personality well enough to know i was a very 'together' sort of person until i started kicking the arse out of ecstacy.

i found when pilling every weekend, i brought on an anxiety disorder. i smoke weed everyday as well so maybe that does not help but it was at the height of pilling that i became 'mentally unwell' not extreme enough for antidepressants but enough to know i just didn't feel right and if i continued i would tip myself over the edge, feels that way anyway. my personality has taken a serious nose dive :(

my E hangovers are at the point where they last for days and i feel ill and fucked up. i don't get a good enough buzz off the E anymore just a sort of speedy feeling rather than an Eccy buzz, which means munching more pills and feeling more ill.

so the way i see it, E has brought me anxiety, mood swings and depression. i might have already had all these before in a mild form but my drug use has brought it right on.

this doesn't happen to everyone, my b/f's done as much as me and more, he was into all sorts long before he met me and he seems to have no problems at all.

there is a difference between the 'tuesday blues' and a total personality overhaul and it's not hard to notice once it starts happening to you, believe me. the bad outweighs the good for me now so i am giving it a break.
 
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i read somewhere that although the cells ecstasy kills do grow back, they grow back abnormally and connect to the wrong parts of the brain - causing problems such as limited short term memory.
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In the event that neurotoxicity occurs, yes. The serotonin axons thenselves live near the middle of the brain stem, with their axons snaking out to the rest of the brain from there. If destroyed, new axons will grow, but they don't get very far, resulting in very dense masses of serotonin axons near the brain stem but leaving the areas further out with lower levels of axons. Memory problems would most likely be the result more of lack of serotonin axons in some parts of the brain than from regrowth. Curiously, it's been surprisingly difficult to identify functional/behavioral changes in animals even after frying back 70%+ of their serotonin system.

They proved it on animals, and by observing at humans they say it's very likely it does the same. does anyone know if this is for real?
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Most of the retrospective human behavioral/cognitive studies are garbage. The more direct answer comes from human brain scan studies, which have so far have supported the belief that ever moderately heavy MDMA use does not cause lasting changes to the brain (in terms of destroying axons.) READ ME.
 
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