Meth "It isnt possible or exceptionally rare to overdose on (meth)amphetamine

[Methamphetanonymous]

Why is this such a prevalent belief among users both active and recovered of methamphetamine? I'm pleased that I don't see this mentioned often or maybe at all here on Bluelight, but it along with the frustrating myth that meth carries no withdrawal symptoms are all over other online and in person communities of meth users.

The logic being that meth users die of other conditions caused by using meth like heart failure stroke and rhabdomyolysis, whereas opioid overdose deaths are caused directly by the drugs effect on respiratory failure. How does this make any kind of sense? If a new user takes 500mg of meth and it causes them to have a stroke or a fatal blood clot, is that not just as much caused by the meth as respiratory failure is caused by opioids?

Meth overdose death isn't even exceptionally rare, and is the second most common culprit of death from overdose in the USA. Meth kills perfectly efficiently on its own, not just when paired with other drugs in a cocktail. It kills otherwise perfectly healthy individuals, and it can kill from the very first dose a person takes not just from a dose after years of physical deterioration from long term heavy use.

It is an insanely powerful drug that surges the body with adrenaline in a fight or flight state biologically intended to last a few moments that is stretched into hours and days. Although it may be true that cocaine is more cardiotoxic than meth, methamphetamine is PLENTY brutal on the cardiovascular system as coke and need not be softened by a comparison of a drug that is somehow even worse on the heart. Prescription doses of amphetanine are typically within the 20-40mg range but recreational methamphetamine users are no strangers to taking the equivalent of a months worth of Adderall in a single day or even a single shot.


Where did this notion come from? Why is it so persistent? Overdose deaths from meth use are skyrocketing as purity, availability and affordability continue to increase globally. The more pure the meth becomes, the more dangerous to the body and mind it too becomes.

And meth definitely has a very unpleasant acute withdrawal period, sometimes followed by its famously bleak and lengthy PAWs depression and cognitive difficulty. Just because the cause of this withdrawal is a rebound of bodily needs rather than a physical dependency developing like GABA drugs and opioids doesn't really seem like a meaningful distinction to me since both periods of withdrawal are caused by ceasing the intake of the drug

 

[Dextro .45]

Good read

 

[RyGly76]

Why is this such a prevalent belief among users both active and recovered of methamphetamine? I'm pleased that I don't see this mentioned often or maybe at all here on Bluelight, but it along with the frustrating myth that meth carries no withdrawal symptoms are all over other online and in person communities of meth users.

The logic being that meth users die of other conditions caused by using meth like heart failure stroke and rhabdomyolysis, whereas opioid overdose deaths are caused directly by the drugs effect on respiratory failure. How does this make any kind of sense? If a new user takes 500mg of meth and it causes them to have a stroke or a fatal blood clot, is that not just as much caused by the meth as respiratory failure is caused by opioids?

Meth overdose death isn't even exceptionally rare, and is the second most common culprit of death from overdose in the USA. Meth kills perfectly efficiently on its own, not just when paired with other drugs in a cocktail. It kills otherwise perfectly healthy individuals, and it can kill from the very first dose a person takes not just from a dose after years of physical deterioration from long term heavy use.

It is an insanely powerful drug that surges the body with adrenaline in a fight or flight state biologically intended to last a few moments that is stretched into hours and days. Although it may be true that cocaine is more cardiotoxic than meth, methamphetamine is PLENTY brutal on the cardiovascular system as coke and need not be softened by a comparison of a drug that is somehow even worse on the heart. Prescription doses of amphetanine are typically within the 20-40mg range but recreational methamphetamine users are no strangers to taking the equivalent of a months worth of Adderall in a single day or even a single shot.


Where did this notion come from? Why is it so persistent? Overdose deaths from meth use are skyrocketing as purity, availability and affordability continue to increase globally. The more pure the meth becomes, the more dangerous to the body and mind it too becomes.

And meth definitely has a very unpleasant acute withdrawal period, sometimes followed by its famously bleak and lengthy PAWs depression and cognitive difficulty. Just because the cause of this withdrawal is a rebound of bodily needs rather than a physical dependency developing like GABA drugs and opioids doesn't really seem like a meaningful distinction to me since both periods of withdrawal are caused by ceasing the intake of the drug

Anyone that believes there's no withdraw from meth is dilusional! Gotta remember everyone's body chemistry is different! I've been on meth off and on for... Well a fuck load of time and I've had some detoxes that were pretty bad!

 

[Cult315]

I gotta admit I usually tell people there “isnt much withdrawal” from amphetamines and that it’s mostly mental, which is true in a sense but there definitely is a withdrawal. While I’m not a complete dipshit I’m not fully educated on a lot of the subject matter discussed on the site other than drugs I’ve personally researched(mostly just enough so I didn’t die from taking too much) so usually post from my own experience with drugs. And my own experience is that I’ve been in and out of opiate withdrawal for the better part of 2 decades which I’d consider ‘real’ withdrawal and amphetamine withdrawals never really bugged me much in comparison, but for somebody who hasn’t felt like shit forever I could definitely see stimulant withdrawal being very real and not very fun for them. Shit, they’re still not fun for me I’ve just adapted to the headspace that “at least it’s not oxy I’m coming off” lol. Then I’m snake crawling on the floor looking for pieces of shard to throw in the pipe between 4 hour naps and end up smoking cat litter instead

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

I gotta admit I usually tell people there “isnt much withdrawal” from amphetamines and that it’s mostly mental, which is true in a sense but there definitely is a withdrawal.

Yeah, and while I agree with this within the context of GABA drugs and opioids which are very common drugs of abuse with very severe acute withdrawal, I worry that this type of verbage becomes lost in translation and newer or curious meth users/ meth users speaking in bad faith defense of the drug as though it can do no wrong then interpret this as meth has no withdrawal syndrome-rebound which isn't true. While I'd say the severity of meths rebound can be controlled by attempting to get as much nutrition hydration and rest as possible during a binge, it definitely has a wide net of effects on mood and motivation that can be quite severe in their own right. The back and forth of binge and crash often is how people lose control of their life, finding no motivation during withdrawal to keep up with basic responsibilities. Meth is interesting in that its danger is very complex, with a lot of factors at play that are more of a deterioration that compounds into itself. The negative physical effects accelerate the negative psychological effects and so on

While I’m not a complete dipshit I’m not fully educated on a lot of the subject matter discussed on the site other than drugs I’ve personally researched(mostly just enough so I didn’t die from taking too much) so usually post from my own experience with drugs. And my own experience is that I’ve been in and out of opiate withdrawal for the better part of 2 decades which I’d consider ‘real’ withdrawal and amphetamine withdrawals never really bugged me much in comparison

Again I don't disagree with you at all, by comparison. I just think that I see the comparison get brought up a lot when it need not be made (not here). Like if someone posts a thread lamenting their meth withdrawals and begging for help, I feel that is maybe not the time for someone to swoop in and say yeah well compared to the worst thing ever it's really not that bad lol

But yes, this isnt an attempt to raise perception of meth withdrawal to the level of opioid withdrawal at all. But I will say, meth withdrawal is very unpleasant and has caused me a shit ton of problems that aren't neccesarily possible to willpower my way over it. I definitely am able to tough it out in the sense that I sleep, accept my fate of feeling like shit, and count the days as the first week passes

for somebody who hasn’t felt like shit forever I could definitely see stimulant withdrawal being very real and not very fun for them. Shit, they’re still not fun for me I’ve just adapted to the headspace that “at least it’s not oxy I’m coming off” lol. Then I’m snake crawling on the floor looking for pieces of shard to throw in the pipe between 4 hour naps and end up smoking cat litter instead

I've never experienced proper opioid withdrawal, I just am one of the people sensitive to Kratom particularly when I was taking megadoses of extract back when it was kindof new and people told me it's just a plant bro it doesn't have any downsides
The month of that agony was far far far worse in such uniquely unpleasant and surprising ways than meth withdrawal. To be fair though some people experience meth withdrawal and describe it as more severe than coke or MDMA comedowns for days. Had a friend who straight dreaded it

To me, a lot of times I welcomed the crash and even felt a bit of euphoria falling asleep knowing the binge was over. After that it just sucks feeling lazy and fuckin exhausted all the time, but I'd describe it as irritating and depressing, not agony. I've had multi-day hangovers at peak alcoholism that were worse than all 14 days or so combined of a meth withdrawal. But I don't deny that many people seem to experience something far more emotionally and psychologically severe than I do

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Oh also I'd include the horrendous cravings that lasted weeks and even a month or two after stopping as part of meths sinister withdrawal.

The vivid fuckin dreams man, the sudden out of nowhere like hunger for the drug was unbelievable. It was like the atomic bomb of nicotine cravings