Buzz Lightbeer
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Bro, you don't follow anything do you...
They want to send aid but they're not allowed to and can't get anything in so they're forced to airdrop some packages.
They would LOVE to flood Palestine with food
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They want to send aid but they're not allowed to and can't get anything in so they're forced to airdrop some packages.
They would LOVE to flood Palestine with food
Buzz Lightbeer
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Gaza: Airdrops and sea routes are no alternative to aid delivery by land
25 NGOs call on governments to prioritize ceasefire and ground-based humanitarian aid as deaths from malnutrition and disease rise Human rights and humanitarian organizations present on the ground in the Gaza Strip have reiterated since the start of the current escalation that the only way to...
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No
Buzz Lightbeer
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It's not even up for debate that Israel isn't letting in enough aid, there is enough aid it's just not getting in.
Israel is just saying that logistically it's impossible, but how could it be? The aid is there and they can conjure up trucks easily, total nonsense.
Their only other argument is that Hamas is taking some food for themselves. Ok I believe that but maybe have the priorities straight huh, don't let people starve..
Israel is just saying that logistically it's impossible, but how could it be? The aid is there and they can conjure up trucks easily, total nonsense.
Their only other argument is that Hamas is taking some food for themselves. Ok I believe that but maybe have the priorities straight huh, don't let people starve..
Jabberwocky
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show me where it says Israel is "blocking everything", because that was my whole point
Siege and Starvation: How Israel Obstructs Aid to Gaza - Refugees International
Research and analysis by Refugees International shows that Israeli conduct has consistently and groundlessly impeded aid operations within Gaza.www.refugeesinternational.org
Malevolent will say that these guys are Hamas operatives but I'm counting in you here
This article also has a lot to say without citing any sources in some parts
but again, nowhere does it suggest Israel is unilaterally blocking aid, only points to delays and wait times...
Buzz Lightbeer
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What causes the waiting times? Come on think, trucks at the border they cant just drive through, why?
Step 1 is admitting there is a shortage of supplies, we can all agree on that, even Israel does, they just blame "logistics" and of course Hamas. I truly believe Hamas is taking supplies for themselves but priorities eh!
Logistics can be solved if you try, and all these countries want to, Israel is just not letting them or else all these NGO's would flood Palestine with food
Buzz Lightbeer
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It's a figure of speech, they're not blocking everything, that would be a PR disaster, I hear and read every day that its all just a drop in the water. Last figures I saw were like 70 trucks a day.
But hey at least there's a port coming because Biden of all people said fuck you to Netanyahu
Buzz Lightbeer
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And like for real, for this whole thread, there are so many NGOs active, really respected ones too. They're saying what's happening, they're saying they can't help because nothing is getting in and all that's get between you guys' ears is that "nah they're lying they must be Hamas operatives"
It is actually, I bring you the links and just nothing. "I don't see any evidence"
Actually ridiculous
It is actually, I bring you the links and just nothing. "I don't see any evidence"
Actually ridiculous
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Hamas, who lives OUTSIDE the country for some reason but still runs it/speaks for them, wants to send them food but "cant"??
most absurd thing I've heard in awhile
No. Gives me a headache. Why would anyone choose to listen to one of two partisan streams of misleading propaganda?
yeah apparently just like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" are just figures of speech too?
that's my whole point with this entire thread bro
I do not believe Israel is necessarily obligated to make sure that a nation they are at war with is 100% topped up on food and supplies. War doesn't work like that.
painting a 30% drop in truck deliveries as "total blockade" is silly, and I have yet to see any starvation deaths in Gaza.
war is not black and white like that, there is no clear line between good and evil
I'm done with this thread for awhile man. Headache. >_<
mal3volent
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You seem very triggered by the phrase gold standard. It was used appropriately in the context of the article, which was referring to the lengths Israel went to warn and evacuate civilians prior to the ground invasion. You are now using it repeatedly in unrelated ways. Silly games and manipulation again.
Israel isn't intentionally starving anyone. At least I've seen no evidence they are as of yet. Seems to me this is just the new "thing" the tankies are rallying around. Shit happens during war. People die, people get displaced, people go hungry. Perhaps if their government cared for them at all they'd surrender and release the hostages. It's all within their control.
But why would they do that when their modus operandi is to divert resources meant to support their citizens and instead use it to build rockets and tunnels? They want them to die and always have. That's the biggest weapon they have in their propaganda war. They know how easily manipulated western media is...
Buzz Lightbeer
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NGO's and at least the countries airdropping, pay attention.
I never used those terms. Next.
Ah yes, all of these organizations solely dedicated to helping people saying things, all propaganda... If you dont pay attention don't come in here then
Jabberwocky
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I pity the innocent's plight, but all of my arguments in this thread revolve around distorted facts and misuse of words like ethnic cleansing. I do not cheer for Israel, nor do I necessarily defend them.
The first casualty of war is always the truth.
Now I need to play some angry chess. Match me if you dare
Buzz Lightbeer
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Yeah it triggers me, it was such smug article and it aged so badly. It wasn't true back then and it sure as hell isn't now.
Manipulation, come on, everyone here knows better than to be manipulated by what I'm saying. Sometimes there's some hyperboles but the situation is so dire that I have no patience to like argue where are they buried, what kind of logistics could be preventing all the aid, is every UN organization ever lying or not etc etc
I get the itch to argue sometimes you know, comes with the hypomania territory and I hold quite the grudge against you as a person
Buzz Lightbeer
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Let's do it, let me login, increment please I'm on mobileNow I need to play some angry chess. Match me if you dare
mal3volent
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I get the itch to argue sometimes you know, comes with the hypomania territory and I hold quite the grudge against you as a person
Get in line. People who hold nuanced opinions on issues and don't fall neatly into the left cult or right cult are often demonized these days.
Buzz Lightbeer
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I don't think you're nuanced though, you immediately ignore way too much information based on who it's from.
I've seen you immediately disregard anything from like the UN or their many sub organizations many times, to me that's not nuanced, but hey that's me
I've seen you immediately disregard anything from like the UN or their many sub organizations many times, to me that's not nuanced, but hey that's me
mal3volent
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Tell me why I should trust an organization who failed to officially condemn Hamas and who had members participate in the terrorist attack
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Hmmm a Hamas leader hiding in a UN food distribution center. I am shocked.
swilow
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I'm not so sure this is what's happening though. A conflict like this, with a group like Hamas, has been entirely predictable ever since Hamas took power and decided to focus Gazan society on one aim, eradicating the Jewish state. It is intolerable for people to live with the threat posed by Hamas, and it's not as if they didn't try for over 15 years. To some extent, they've closed their hearts to pity but more accurately, they are overriding that sense with an understanding of how inevitable this conflict is and that delaying it only pushes its inevitable waging into a future where there is more members of Hamas and more civilians being endangered by the way they've set up Gaza. People seem to imagine that Israel don't mean it when they say they are going to completely eradicate Hamas and get back their hostages- I think they do. Try as I might, I just can't see a good argument against that aim.
All of this is complicated by the way Hamas and Palestinian society views Israel, which is as an illegitimate nation of infidels living in a sacred land that must be eradicated. Every aspect of Palestinian society has been geared towards this goal. 80% of gazans supported October 7th, in polls taken after the true brutality of the attacks was known. How do you fight a war against such an enemy who has hostages and is notorious for its brutality? The notion of Israel's actions since Oct 7 creating future terrorists is probably correct, but future terrorists were being created by Hamas and generations of Palestinian leaders going back literally decades anyway. Israel abandoned Gaza in 2005 and the society that formed ended up creating the murderers of October 7.
So if Israel takes a hands off approach- future terrorists murdering Israelis. If Israel is agggressive- future terrorists murdering Israelis. In one scenario only are there less immediate murderous threats and possibly the return of hostages. And the chance at a sane Palestinian leadership emerging. Because if you still gear your society towards destruction of an enemy after being absolutely overwhelmed by them, you are dooming that society to continued war and suffering. And yet most of us in the west, even the supporters of Palestinians, have absolutely no real false hopes that Palestinians will refocus their aims on building a functioning reality. This just says it all.
swilow
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But Israel haven't been blocking everything. They've been actively delivering aid. Clearly not enough, but singicantly more than, say, the actual leaders of the Palestinians have been.
Buzz Lightbeer
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Why isn't desperately needed aid reaching Palestinians in Gaza?
From the earliest days of the Israel-Hamas war, the United States and much of the international community have pressed Israel to allow more humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip.
apnews.com
Hardly.
Everyone on the ground is just lying in all these articles or what? I've posted more earlier. Even the article mal posted had tons of stuff contradicting his actual point but he only pasted what suited him
There can be enough aid, Israel is just not opening enough crossings and preventing many trucks from entering.
Unless all these NGO's and the UN and all their sub organizations are perma lying.
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