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Buzz Lightbeer said:
By all reports, from everyone, and by the actions of others it's been clear that all these countries are forced to airdrop and even build a pier for that ship because Israel is blocking almost all aid via land.

It's clear to everyone that aid via land and trucks is much better and easier but Israel just won't let them in.

Its disingenuous to pretend Israel is coordinating anything that wouldn't even be necessary if they'd just allow aid trucks.

Apparently 100s of thousands are starving and because the attacker is zo benevolent and so good at limiting civilian casualties they have to resort to airdropping... Its only Israel preventing trucks from driving in..
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more than 303,000 tons of humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians since the Hamas terror attack on Israel that killed over 1,200 people and saw 253 taken hostage.

"We are now trying to flood the area with supplies," IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari told reporters on March 13.

More than 16,400 trucks have carried aid into Gaza. Additionally, Israel has welcomed the U.S., France, Belgium, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, and Jordan to air-drop more than 1,200 packages of aid, mostly in northern Gaza. And this week, Israel Defense Minister Yoav Gallant fully supported the U.S.-led international initiative to build a temporary seaport on Gaza’s coast to deliver additional aid to the territory.
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Why do they need to hastily build a pier for a ship with all that food? The situation is dire by all on site reports and they need it asap.

Every day I listen to the main radio station in my car and every day they got someone from like doctors without borders or whatever there saying the trucks just can't get in and they need to ASAP.
 
“We are ready and willing to facilitate the entry of tens, if not hundreds of trucks every day,” Colonel Moshe Tetro, Head of Israel’s Coordination and Liasion Administration for Gaza, told a news briefing. “The bottleneck is not on the Israeli side.”

He said 450 trucks were waiting on the Palestinian side of the Kerem Shalom crossing with aid supplies for international groups to distribute in Gaza.

“If there would be sufficient and efficient work by the international community that is working inside Gaza, I think that the distribution will be much better.”

The United Nations has said it is becoming more difficult to distribute aid inside Gaza because of the collapse of security inside the Strip, where most residents are now hemmed into makeshift camps due to the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas, which was sparked by the terror group’s October 7 massacre.

“The IDF has a responsibility to facilitate humanitarian operations within Gaza. Aid piling up at the crossing is evidence of an absence of this enabling environment amid enormous needs,” said Eri Kaneko, a spokesperson for the UN humanitarian affairs office.

“The UN and our humanitarian partners have not been able to regularly pick up supplies from the crossing points due to safety concerns and a breakdown of law and order,” she said. “Despite this, our colleagues have been taking significant risks to sustain the delivery of humanitarian supplies essential to the survival of civilians.”

The Hamas-run Palestinian police force has stopped providing escorts for aid convoys after at least eight officers — among them Hamas operatives — were killed in Israeli strikes, said UNRWA Director of Communications Juliette Touma. Her remarks echoed comments last week by the top US diplomat involved in humanitarian assistance, who said the police escorts include Hamas members but also officers with no direct affiliation to the terror group.

Inside Gaza, desperate residents have halted convoys to seize aid from trucks as footage has shown gunmen, believed to members of Hamas, steal trucks delivering humanitarian aid from Egypt.
 
If the roles were reversed, do you think Hamas would be doing a better or worse job than the IDF of providing humanitarian aid to all the displaced Jews?

Oh wait that's right, there wouldn't be any displaced Jews because they'd all be dead.
 
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Biden Will Order Military to Build Gaza Port for Aid Delivery

“We are not waiting on the Israelis."
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Ok how about the man himself then.

Biden plans to announce the “emergency mission” during his State of the Union address on Thursday evening. “We are not waiting on the Israelis," a senior official told reporters, signaling the administration’s growing frustration with its ally. “We know the aid flowing into Gaza is nowhere near enough and nowhere near fast enough.” The operation will establish a port on the Mediterranean on the Gaza coast that will be able to receive large ships with food, water, medicine and temporary shelters.
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INSUFFICIENT

That is all that needs to be said, 100s of thousands are starving, not by some natural disaster but purely by human intervention!
And those people can be helped, quite easily but Israel refuses. So far your narrative of the benevolent attacker, it is clear as day to anyone really.

mal3volent said:
If the roles were reversed, do you think Hamas would be doing a better or worse job than the IDF of providing humanitarian aid to all the displaced Jews?
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US would drop in and feed everyone, as they're trying to do now. Because Israel is behaving as much as animals as Hamas would. I dont think they'd do a better job no LOL but that's not what matters, 100s of thousands are starving, what are you even contemplating
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
And those people can be helped, quite easily but Israel refuses. So far your narrative of the benevolent attacker, it is clear as day to anyone really.
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You aren't going to change anyone's mind by lying to them. No one has ever said that Israel is benevolent. You know that though. But without lies and manipulation what do you have left for an argument?

Biden will say or do whatever he thinks will help him politically. At first he towed the stand with Israel line but has been shrinking from that commitment ever since because of all the backlash he received. He's getting advice now to be more aggressive. It's a coordinated political effort... I'm sure you heard Schumer's remarks recently. It's just election year posturing driven by polling data.
 
@Buzz Lightbeer Israel is not "blocking everything" from reaching Gaza, very disingenuous and inaccurate to say that. In fact they weren't even accused of blocking aid by the UN, they were recently accused of "not adequately facilitating fuel delivers" to north Gaza, which in turn led to a 30% drop in daily truck aid deliveries. It also has nothing to do with why the US is choosing to air drop, it's just quicker and more efficient for us to do so.

Hell man, this thread is whack. People can have their own views, that's not what I'm talking about.

But when words like "ethnic cleansing" get thrown around so arbitrarily, it really is extra important to get the facts straight when claiming Israel is "blocking all food and water" coming into Gaza, which they are NOT.
 
mal3volent said:
You aren't going to change anyone's mind by lying to them. No one has ever said that Israel is benevolent. You know that though. But without lies and manipulation what do you have left for an argument?
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Maybe, you however have posted an opinion piece in response to something claiming that Israels way was the gold standard in preventing casualties.

You have been arguing in favor of everything Israel has been doing all this time, and now with the most blatant evidence of all you still won't budge.

WILL YOU CONDEMN ISRAEL!! ;)

My argument stands though and I dont lie and manipulate at all. You don't accept any information that's not from the times of Israel while I have everything else backing the very simple argument that Israel has been intentionally blocking aid and thus has been intentionally starving Palestinians.

Simple as that man
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
LOL but that's not what matters
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actually it does matter. I agree that Israel should be helping the displaced Palestinians as much as possible, but they are under no legal obligation to do so. They are still at war, Hamas has yet to release the hostages, etc. They only have so many resources to devote when they still have other shit going on.

So if there is so much lawlessness in the camps that the UN can't safely distribute the aid, I'm not sure what you want Israel to do about that exactly? The aid is there the problem is distributing it.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@Buzz Lightbeer Israel is not "blocking everything" from reaching Gaza, very disingenuous and inaccurate to say that. In fact they weren't even accused of blocking aid by the UN, they were recently accused of "not adequately facilitating fuel delivers" to north Gaza, which in turn led to a 30% drop in daily truck aid deliveries. It also has nothing to do with why the US is choosing to air drop.

Hell man, this thread is whack. People can have their own views, that's not what I'm talking about.

But when words like "ethnic cleansing" get thrown around so arbitrarily, it really is extra important to get the facts straight when claiming Israel is "blocking all food and water" coming into Gaza, which they are NOT.
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No they're blocking large amounts and what has been getting in is wildly insufficient.

Are you denying that the aid that has been trickling in is not enough?

Why do you think the US has been airdropping? It's because they see it's a disaster and Israel isn't doing enough
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I have everything else backing the very simple argument that Israel has been intentionally blocking aid and thus has been intentionally starving Palestinians.
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sorry, I must have missed the evidence that Israel is intentionally starving Palestinians.
 
I see evidence of logistical and security concerns in effectively distributing the aid. I'm glad the US will be stepping up their support as we definitely have the means to help out with that.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
It also has nothing to do with why the US is choosing to air drop, it's just quicker and more efficient for us to do so.
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It's definitely not lol, so much more expensive, some get lost, damaged etc.

Of course bringing in food to so many starving people isn't 100% safe, they are starving so they'll fight for food.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Of course bringing in food to so many starving people isn't 100% safe, they are starving so they'll fight for food
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Especially when you bring Israeli guns with, how many died then? Or is that still up for debate too ;)

Anyway, apparently we're all agreeing that Palestinians are starving and that its good that something needs to be done.

Just glad it's not up to the "Gold Standard" Israelis right. God forbid you invade a country and accidentally let tens of thousands civilians starve right, that's not your responsibility ofcourse! How this is a reasonable position is beyond me
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
No they're blocking large amounts
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Source?

Buzz Lightbeer said:
what has been getting in is wildly insufficient.
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Hypothetically, if Israel was NOT blocking aid, who's fault is it then?

Maybe the Muslim countries where the Hamas leadership hide out in luxury should be sanctioned?

Top 5 in Hamas leadership probably owns more money than the entire GDP of Palestine... why don't they send support?

Why has Hamas been caught stealing the aid in Gaza themselves?

Why doesn't Egypt, or Jordan, send aid or open their borders?

Buzz Lightbeer said:
Are you denying that the aid that has been trickling in is not enough?
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No, I'm denying your framing it as it being mainly Israel's problem, and denying your huge misrepresentation of just how much Israel is hindering aid.

This conflict is so much more complex than big bad Israel brutalizing lil poor Palestine.

Buzz Lightbeer said:
Why do you think the US has been airdropping? It's because they see it's a disaster and Israel isn't doing enough
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because we spent fucking 30 trillion dollars on our ability to bomb or airdrop anything all over the world from our 20 fucking aircraft carriers.

It's just the quickest thing to do, and airdropping aid is probably better for public relations than sending slow trucks.
 
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