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December Flower said:
German here: Nazism means fucking nothing at all whatsoever. It's National Socialism. Also has nothing do with hating or murdering Jews.

Mussolini killed no Jews and he founded National Socialism
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Didn't Mussolini start the National Fascist party, not the national socialist party? That statement doesn't seem correct.
 
snmfmy said:
It's not war crimes.

It's not a war crime for collateral damage to occur when bombing legitimate targets.

I'm sorry you think so.
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I think cutting off the water and electricity to the entire population is classed as a war crime.
 


Top UN Official: 'Hamas is not a terrorist group, it is a movement.'
A top aid official with the United Nations elicited outrage in Israel when he said during a TV interview that Hamas was “not a terrorist group for us.”

UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Martin Griffiths said during a Sky News interview on Wednesday that “Hamas is not a terrorist group for us, of course, as you know. It’s a political movement.”

Griffiths made the comments in response to a question about whether Israel’s insistence that Hamas never be part of a future Palestinian government is realistic. He added that “it is very, very difficult to dislodge these groups without a negotiated solution which includes their aspirations.”

Griffiths on Thursday tweeted a clarification of his comments, writing: “Just to clarify: Hamas is not on the list of groups designated as terrorist organizations by the United Nations Security Council.”

“This doesn’t make their acts of terror on 7 October any less horrific and reprehensible, as I’ve been saying all along,” he added.

In comments attributed to Antonio Guterres in Ynet, the UN secretary general echoed Griffiths’s clarification, noting that designating terror groups can only be done by the UNSC, and that this did not detract from the horrors of October 7.
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PharmaTrain said:
Have you read it for yourself? Most of the protocols have came to pass? How do you account for that?
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Have read it, they haven't, it's a notorious fraud. That you believe it tells me more about you then anything.

Like I said, we're not going to have this conversation here. You can talk about the scary Jews in whatever other internet cesspit you want. We're not doing it here. So last warning dude.
 
mal3volent said:


Top UN Official: 'Hamas is not a terrorist group, it is a movement.'


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I honestly think these people at the UN just want to justify a neverending war in the Middle East so they profit from the weapons they sell, and likely the rest of us suffer due to high price of goods etc that is caused by war.
 
Soso78 said:
I think cutting off the water and electricity to the entire population is classed as a war crime.
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yes, collective punishment. blatant and obvious that israel is commiting collective punishment, a war crime.

furthermore, they have been caught before with targeted killing of journalist shireen abu akleh. israel seems to be going after journalists (and their families) in this latest iteration of their fight against palestinians. we'll see if it can be demonstrated (kinda hard when it's so extremely hostile an environment for reporters.)

targeted killing of members of the press is a war crime.

lastly, their obvious ethnic cleansing (despite the continued bad faith silliness of a certain admin) could be considered as acts of genocide under international law:

(a) Genocide;
(b) conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) attempt to commit genocide;
(e) complicity in genocide (i guess biden and most of our legislature is guilty then)

these are all crimes of genocide under the geneva genocide convention.

and just so we can put out the silly "..bUt THeIr pOpUlAtiON siNCe SUch-anD-sUcH dATe.." bad faith crap before it reers its ugly (and silly) head again, here's how genocide is defined under the geneva conventions:

(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

according to international law experts and genocide scholars, this is a plausible case or even a slam dunk case brought by south africa.
 
some of us laugh at innocents dying, some of us cry and yell. i know which of those two i'm proud to be a part of; i guess cause my mind isn't weak and fragile.
 
nepalnt21 said:
some of us laugh at innocents dying, some of us cry and yell. i know which of those two i'm proud to be a part of; i guess cause my mind isn't weak and fragile.
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Sorry, the laughing was directed at your inability to formulate a post in this thread without invoking one or more buzzwords/propaganda terms used to emotionally manipulate your audience-- ethnic cleansing, genocide, apartheid, war crimes, etc etc. Without them you have literally no means to argue your stance.

And it's gotten to the point now where you have to preemptively address the rebuttal you know you're about to get. Genocide doesn't actually MEAN genocide, here is the definition we're going to use for this conversation only! (I guess that's kind of like vaccine doesn't imply 'stops you from contracting virus' --but only when discussing covid) Or the flat out refusal to acknowledge the rebuttal in the case of the ethnic cleansing bullshit.

Palestinian is an ethnicity about as much as New Yorker is an ethnicity.
 
mal3volent said:
Palestinian is an ethnicity about as much as New Yorker is an ethnicity
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i've already addressed your bad arguments as to why it's not ethnic cleansing multiple times over the last couple of months and you literally never have a rebuttal for them and keep "invoking" that same tired crap. it's obviously ethnic cleansing to anyone paying attention. especially to the right wing zionist terrorists DOING the ethnic cleansing.


mal3volent said:
here is the definition
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that the international community agreed upon. not my fault it doesn't line up with your faux "conventional wisdom"... speaking of which:


mal3volent said:
vaccine
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HAS NEVER needed to confer 100% sterilizing immunity to be a vaccine. once again, you're speaking on something you're unfamiliar with.

do you have any REAL arguments as to why my post is "propaganda" or doesn't hold water? are you a genocide expert? or an expert in international law? just wondering, cause if not, then i'll actually believe the experts and the definitions laid out in international law. thanks for playing.
 
nepalnt21 said:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Applies almosy perfectly to what Hamas have been doing both to Israel and to its own people. But oh yes, Israel are the bad guys here. Of course.
 
nepalnt21 said:
i've already addressed your bad arguments as to why it's not ethnic cleansing multiple times over the last couple of months and you literally never have a rebuttal for them and keep "invoking" that same tired crap. it's obviously ethnic cleansing to anyone paying attention. especially to the right wing zionist terrorists DOING the ethnic cleansing.



that the international community agreed upon. not my fault it doesn't line up with your faux "conventional wisdom"... speaking of which:



HAS NEVER needed to confer 100% sterilizing immunity to be a vaccine. once again, you're speaking on something you're unfamiliar with.

do you have any REAL arguments as to why my post is "propaganda" or doesn't hold water? are you a genocide expert? or an expert in international law? just wondering, cause if not, then i'll actually believe the experts and the definitions laid out in international law. thanks for playing.
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I'm just a normal guy who uses normal definitions of words.
 
nepalnt21 said:
some of us laugh at innocents dying, some of us cry and yell. i know which of those two i'm proud to be a part of; i guess cause my mind isn't weak and fragile.
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Crying and yelling is a weak response.

Do this- tell me what happens to Palestinians if Hamas defeat Israel? What happens to Israelis? I hate that Israel have been pushed into doing what they're doing, but there is no world in which Hamas are victors and things are any better for anybody. If you cannot see this, I'm not sure you are being honest.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
but do you admit it also looks like what Israel is doing and you accept that because HAMAS is doing that too?
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No, when a nation responds militarily to a brutal massacre of its citizens and attempt to wipe out an enemy that holds over 100 hostages, what is happening is a nation is responding militarily to a brutal massacre of its citizens and attempting to wipe out an enemy that holds over 100 hostages. You guys act like reasons don't matter. Well, they do. Hamas massacre Israelis because they are Israelis. Israel fight back to stop that happening again. Reasons matter. Israel have never said they want to genocide Palestinians. Hamas have said they want to genocide Israelis.

You're actually siding with the people who have stated they want to wipe out another ethnicity and who intentionally paint a target on their own innocent citizens. Your moral confusion astounds me.
 
So, you are accepting genocide and war crimes because some other people attempt it too. You just don't realize what you are condoning is called that.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
So, you are accepting genocide and war crimes because some other people attempt it too. You just don't realize what you are condoning is called that.
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Can you stop straw manning me? If you need to invent my arguments, you've already lost.

Responding to an attack isn't genocide. Killing people in war isn't genocide.

Saying you're going to to committ genocide by killing innocent people and then going ahead and doing it is genocide.

Hopefully that clears this up for you.
 
Skorpio said:
Didn't Mussolini start the National Fascist party, not the national socialist party? That statement doesn't seem correct.
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I mean technically sure if you wanna split hairs. But German Nationalsozialismus was modelled after Italian Fascismo, so it was the same thing with a different name: one party system, leader serves his entire life, extreme nationalism, fascist hierarchy, got rid of democracy, even up to calling the leader Duce ("Führer"/leader)...

Hitler copied Mussolini 1:1
The difference was that Italy was Catholic

Also my statement still stands: it has nothing to do with killing or hating anyone.
 
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