Israel is under attack

[Jen X]

Shocker, oil and gas under Gaza

 

[-=SS=-]

Shocker, oil and gas under Gaza

I have a new policy, any video with clickbait gutter tabloid titles and/or thumbnails with the open mouth gormless shocked "I suck Satan's cock for coin".. is not getting viewed by me.

Can you give me a summary?

 

[Jen X]

They found 1.5 billion barrels of oil and 1-2 billion of natural gas under Gaza

 

[thatmf]

They found 1.5 billion barrels of oil and 1-2 billion of natural gas under Gaza

To me that checks out. I thought it was a false-flag thing by Israel and who knows it might be. But I assumed it would be over the actual territory - to destroy Palestine for good. But that makes so much bloody sense. And so many people have suffered and died for what?

 

[JGrimez]

I was talking about your history here on Bluelight...

Oh yes, a place where I was unfairly targeted and silenced for my political speech many times.
I wasn't completely innocent there, but the attacks and confrontational attitude was instigated by other people (including previous staff, in response to me calmly outlining my takes on geopolitics).
Back in the day users were allowed to bait me with trolls then when I'd respond I'd get infracted.
It's gotten much better now but your current behaviour has shocked me.

but hey never miss an opportunity to make it about the Jews

This thread is about Jews.

Please produce some evidence for the claim that Israel orchestrated the rape and murder of 1500 of their own citizens on October 7 or else take it to the other forum.

This is so immature and deceptive. I never made that claim. You're not even attempting to understand my argument at all OR you are purposefully ignoring it.
Making up some strawman that I did not say and then demanding I prove it or leave this forum is an impossible task and would be a more direct form of censorship, not to mention totally unethical.
And maybe you should start with proving that there were rapes? Because they backtracked on the previously-broadcast claims regarding 40 decapitated babies, babies in ovens etc.

Dude how long have you been here? How many times have we had to tell you the same shit? Our guidelines have been posted since day 1. Maybe just use your common sense also.

Unfortunately I do not think you are using your common sense and you are the one tasked with enforcing the rules. I cannot get any clear definition of the rules or how they will be enforced. It basically feels like "Stop posting things that implicate the Israeli state in past crimes which set precedents because we want to blame Hamas for all the dead babies the American taxpayer is funding!"

 

[JGrimez]

What I'm struggling with are the people who say that Hamas jumping the border and killing innocents is so evil but they don't apply the same moral judgment to a group killing more innocents in other ways. And arguably much worse as white phosphorous (war crime) has been dropped on innocent civilians. If you excuse the mass of casualties caused by military operations then you are basically saying that the lives on one side are worth more than the lives on the other. Because it's the same act of killing innocent civilians.
That would be racism.

 

[-=SS=-]

And maybe you should start with proving that there were rapes? Because they backtracked on the previously-broadcast claims regarding 40 decapitated babies, babies in ovens etc.

This is what happens when you indulge too much conspiratorial thinking and don't balance it with reality, you won't even entertain the darkness that is self-evident in order to maintain a narrative. Arab people have a demonstrable history of utterly barbaric behaviour, right into the present day, so to suggest that rapes and decapitations occurred does not even require conspiratorial thinking.. it is a very legitimate possibility.

They didn't backtrack on decapitated babies. They doubled down on it and released as much (to the public) as they could feasibly do. They are also still holding babies hostage by the way.

You know you can entertain elements of potential conspiracy without dismissing everything, right?

What I'm struggling with are the people who say that Hamas jumping the border and killing innocents is so evil but they don't apply the same moral judgment to a group killing more innocents in other ways.

Don't play moral equivalence. It's ridiculous in the current context. A state backed military machine doing what it does (Israel is nothing unique in this regard) is not comparable to individual 'soldiers' rolling into civilian areas and deliberately butchering innocent civilians, it's just not.

Your thinking is way too black and white.

 

[JGrimez]

This is what happens when you indulge too much conspiratorial thinking and don't balance it with reality, you won't even entertain the darkness that is self-evident in order to maintain a narrative. Arab people have a demonstrable history of utterly barbaric behaviour, right into the present day, so to suggest that rapes and decapitations occurred does not even require conspiratorial thinking.. it is a very legitimate possibility.

Ironically you are the one engaging in conspiratorial thinking and even bordering on racism.
I'm simply asking for evidence/sources for a claim.

They didn't backtrack on decapitated babies. They doubled down on it and released as much (to the public) as they could feasibly do.

The CNN journalist who made the claim that “40 babies were beheaded” has now backtracked and apologized for spreading misinformation:

Multiple 'journalists' such as this for the Independent furiously backtracking on the '40 babies beheaded' story.
The Metro, Express etc. published this as across the UK without any verification whatsoever.
They say alt media are the danger....

So now I'd ask you for evidence if you're going to continue to repeat this claim.

They are also still holding babies hostage by the way.

While IDF is bombing buildings containing hostages.

You know you can entertain elements of potential conspiracy without dismissing everything, right?

I don't do that. You just ignore what I say and then assume stuff instead of asking for clarification.

Don't play moral equivalence. It's ridiculous in the current context. A state backed military machine doing what it does (Israel is nothing unique in this regard) is not comparable to individual 'soldiers' rolling into civilian areas and deliberately butchering innocent civilians, it's just not.

Doing what it does, like violating international law and committing war crimes? '
There are actually legal rules to war so if you're going to play the "Israeli state business" card then you would also have to admit and justify the war crimes.
But that would make you no better than the terrorists.

 

[-=SS=-]

Ironically you are the one engaging in conspiratorial thinking and even bordering on racism. I'm simply asking for evidence/sources for a claim.

You are aware of how Muslims in many different nations treat their own, yes? For transgressions based upon the religious text they follow and interpret i.e. homosexuality. Do you want a list of the countries and deaths, or what? It's not racist to point out that large parts of the Arab world are still stuck several hundred years behind the West in terms of their collective psychology.

And that's their own. When it comes to outsiders, in particular Jews. Do you want me to draw you a picture or something?

So now I'd ask you for evidence if you're going to continue to repeat this claim.

You do realise those tweets are journalists, not the Israeli government, yes? That they might have misinterpreted what was said at the time - notice how they are not accusing the Israeli government of lying. The mainstream media has been shockingly poor during this ordeal; they parroted the story about a hospital and 500 dead Gazan's which was total bullshit. With the babies it wasn't claimed 40 babies were beheaded except by journalists, not the government itself. Soldiers and responders did say they found beheaded babies, and in one instance the person said they found 40 dead babies (not 40 dead decapitated babies), which was misinterpreted by the journalist.

The Israeli government has doubled down on the actual claim that babies were beheaded, just not 40.

There are actually legal rules to war so if you're going to play the "Israeli state business" card then you would also have to admit and justify the war crimes.

How convenient that you believe the entire events of October 7th were some internal Zionist conspiracy then. Means you don't have to acknowledge that Hamas committed genocide on Israeli's, and instead you can just pretend that only Israel is at fault here.

If you're going to play the "everything that happened on October 7th was the result of a crack team of Israeli's killing other Israeli's and they faked every single piece of video footage" card..

 

[mal3volent]

You are aware of how Muslims in many different nations treat their own, yes? For transgressions based upon the religious text they follow and interpret i.e. homosexuality. Do you want a list of the countries and deaths, or what? It's not racist to point out that large parts of the Arab world are still stuck several hundred years behind the West in terms of their collective psychology.

And that's their own. When it comes to outsiders, in particular Jews. Do you want me to draw you a picture or something?

You do realise those tweets are journalists, not the Israeli government, yes? That they might have misinterpreted what was said at the time - notice how they are not accusing the Israeli government of lying. The mainstream media has been shockingly poor during this ordeal; they parroted the story about a hospital and 500 dead Gazan's which was total bullshit. With the babies it wasn't claimed 40 babies were beheaded except by journalists, not the government itself. Soldiers and responders did say they found beheaded babies, and in one instance the person said they found 40 dead babies (not 40 dead decapitated babies), which was misinterpreted by the journalist.

The Israeli government has doubled down on the actual claim that babies were beheaded, just not 40.

How convenient that you believe the entire events of October 7th were some internal Zionist conspiracy then. Means you don't have to acknowledge that Hamas committed genocide on Israeli's, and instead you can just pretend that only Israel is at fault here.

If you're going to play the "everything that happened on October 7th was the result of a crack team of Israeli's killing other Israeli's and they faked every single piece of video footage" card..

Everything he said. Fuckin' nailed it.
@JGrimez . It is disgusting to suggest rape didn't occur when there are photos and literal first person video of the attacks. The terrorists recorded it themselves and freely admit to wanting to do it again. I haven't watched them because shit like that fucks with my head, but I'm sure you can find them on telegram or something. screenshots on twitter I've seen are plenty enough for me...

This thread is about Jews.

At least you're honest about it. The others here continue to claim it's about Israeli government, not Jews.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Is This a Real Video of Israeli Children Singing ‘We Will Annihilate Everyone’ in Gaza?

The video was allegedly posted and deleted by Kan, an Israeli news channel.

www.snopes.com

 

[elgoucho9]

This thread is absolutely bonkers. I don't know what people here are reading but none of you are elites, you are all just regular people. Cheering on people killing other people cos your so brainwashed with whatever propeganda you're reading.

Hamas are terrorists and have committed war crimes. Israel might aswell also be dubbed terrorists, they have also committed several war crimes. There is fake propeganda on both sides, but a mostly one sided death toll because it is essentially a group of people with nothing fighting one of the richest armies in the world. Hamas is being used as a proxy by several other nations who don't like Israel.

The key part of what i am saying here is some of you are literally screaming for blood one way or the other. That is not cool IMO if you feel like that you have lost sanity on the matter. The people who are dying mostly are not Hamas leaders or the bosses of the IDF they are just people caught in the middle. As is the case with most wars.

The very idea that Israel will wipe out Hamas by bombing Gaza to the ground suits Israel's motives well, ie they want to claim Gaza. You cannot blow up an ideology with air strikes.

 

[swilow]

Cheering on people killing other people cos your so brainwashed with whatever propeganda you're reading.

Honestly, hardly anyone here is cheering on murder. Speaking for myself, I'm simply quite clear on whether Israel have the right to respond or not.

Hamas is being used as a proxy by several other nations who don't like Israel.

This is true. But still, they are the direct perpetrators of the Oct 7th attacks, regularly launch rockets at Israel, and espouse a genocidal ideology- plus they share a border with Israel. That makes them a unique threat compared to the more distant, but certainly more troubling enemy, Iran.

The very idea that Israel will wipe out Hamas by bombing Gaza to the ground suits Israel's motives well, ie they want to claim Gaza. You cannot blow up an ideology with air strikes.

I don't know about either of your claims. Israel left Gaza 15 years ago.

And murdering proponents of an ideology was actually quite effective against a group like Isis. But of course, you cannot kill an ideology but you can make following it extremely dangerous. I'm pretty good with jihadists living under the constant threat of annihilation.

Tbc, I hate to see what we're seeing in Gaza. We're seeing more ground based conflict, hopefully this means that civilians aren't exposed to the same risks they were in the last few weeks. But this whole risk could be wiped out if Hamas gave up.

 

[JGrimez]

Because you guys don't have facts or morality on your side, you're making no sense. Continuing to misrepresent what I say again. It's becoming a bit of a joke.

You are aware of how Muslims in many different nations treat their own, yes? For transgressions based upon the religious text they follow and interpret i.e. homosexuality. Do you want a list of the countries and deaths, or what? It's not racist to point out that large parts of the Arab world are still stuck several hundred years behind the West in terms of their collective psychology.

lol, your closet racism might be peeking through. Which countries have the highest violent crime rates? El Salvador, US Virgin Islands, Jamaica, Lesotho, Honduras, Belize, Venezuela, etc. So if you believe that the Arab world is so behind, then what about the groups/races that compromise these countries? In the US, which group is committing more violence? Muslims or Blacks? I'm actually surprised that you'd attempt to make this point. Many Muslim countries are incredibly safe in terms of social crime and rates of violence which are very low. So what you're saying is provably false, arguably bigoted and IMO it's part of the tactic of the attempted dehumanization of the Palestinians in order to justify the atrocities being committed against them.

And that's their own. When it comes to outsiders, in particular Jews. Do you want me to draw you a picture or something?

I can sit here for days and post videos of Israelis/Jews calling for genocide against Palestinians, shooting them while fleeing, imprisoning children, torturing them, etc etc.
Again, in order for you to justify atrocities you must ignore the abhorrent behavior of the side committing them.
How about going by independent Human Rights organizations' reports?

You do realise those tweets are journalists, not the Israeli government, yes? That they might have misinterpreted what was said at the time - notice how they are not accusing the Israeli government of lying. The mainstream media has been shockingly poor during this ordeal;

You could argue that the media was actually doing its job as a propaganda arm for people wanting to go forth and justify this slaughter of innocents. People say a lot of shit. And they often make up lies that are extremely shocking that will get the public extremely emotional and upset. There are a LOT of people who still believe "Hamas decapitated 40 babies" and other things that were disseminated hard by the media but never proven. Did they kill people? Yes. But why the need to lie and exaggerate it? If we're being honest - we know exactly why they would do something like that. Exaggerate the atrocities to frame the attackers as significantly more evil etc.

they parroted the story about a hospital and 500 dead Gazan's which was total bullshit.

They have bombed multiple hospitals and hundreds of people have died as the result.
10,000+ Palestinians have been killed so far by Israel in Gaza.
You're now at the point where you are denying war crimes which is profoundly disgusting. You can choose to justify murdering innocents, but denying that it's even happening is next-level delusion.

The Israeli government has doubled down on the actual claim that babies were beheaded, just not 40.

Source, please.

How convenient that you believe the entire events of October 7th were some internal Zionist conspiracy then. Means you don't have to acknowledge that Hamas committed genocide on Israeli's, and instead you can just pretend that only Israel is at fault here.

Oh no I fully admit that Hamas murdered innocent Israelis. Unlike you, I do not deny atrocities. The difference is that I care about all innocent people regardless of race and religion.
But you do not care about Palestinian innocents the same way you do for Israelis. I wonder why that is?

If you're going to play the "everything that happened on October 7th was the result of a crack team of Israeli's killing other Israeli's and they faked every single piece of video footage" card..

^ it's almost becoming comical the way that almost every single post is a lie and misrepresentation of my stance. Never said faked footage. We do have evidence of partygoers and hostages who were killed by IDF weaponry. And I've posted proof of Israeli intelligence operations in the past which targeted civilians in false-flags. So I've provided evidence for something that you are attempting to paint as fantastical or implausible.

You cannot fight the truth. Which is why some of you argue by misrepresenting what I say and calling me names.

 

[JGrimez]

Everything he said. Fuckin' nailed it.

You're also bigoted against Muslims? Can you back up his comments?

@JGrimez . It is disgusting to suggest rape didn't occur when there are photos and literal first person video of the attacks. The terrorists recorded it themselves and freely admit to wanting to do it again.

If there is evidence then I will definitely admit it happened. When you say stuff like "to suggest rape didn't occur", that's a misrepresentation of my request for evidence. As a lot of the early reporting on the Oct 7 attack turned out to be emotionally-charged lies. You admit you haven't verified your claims so I'm just going to accept them as fact.

I haven't watched them because shit like that fucks with my head,

Well I know for sure that you haven't been watching any of the footage coming out of Gaza. If you had any conscience at all and saw that stuff you'd be calling for an immediate ceasefire.

but I'm sure you can find them on telegram or something. screenshots on twitter I've seen are plenty enough for me...

Even though I detest viewing that stuff, I tried to find it. I couldn't. So you are either lying or don't bother to verify your claims. Either way, you shouldn't be taken seriously.
I did find this though:

50+ Israel lies in 5 weeks (compiled by @propandco)
No 40 dead babies
No baked babies
No beheaded babies
No children in cages
No eyes gouged
No raped women
No ripped breasts
No paraded captives
No tortured captives
No mutilating dead bodies
No pregnant women cut open
No mass rapes with broken pelvises
No Israel did not found Shifa hospital
No Biden did not see pictures of dead babies
No October 7 was not “unprovoked”
No Pro-Palestine are not “pro-Hamas” rallies
No 8 yr old Emily Hand was not found dead
No “Global Day of Jihad”
No planned cyanide attacks
No all-female Israeli unit killing 100 Hamas
No Hamas coming thru US border
No Hamas headquarters under hospitals
No Hamas hostages in hospital basements
No Hamas tunnels under Rantisi hospital
No Hamas tunnels under Shaikh Hamad Hospital
No Hamas charter published in 2017 is anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish
No small blasts do not prove Israel did not bomb Baptist hospital
No “misfired” rocket was destroyed by Iron Dome before the Baptist hospital bombing
No “misfired” rocket can’t be both fired from cemetery and southwest of Baptist hospital
No “misfired” rocket trajectory does not align with IDF version of events at Baptist hospital
Exposed crisis actor Eli Beer
Fake baby crib photo
Fake blood splatter photo
Fake booby-trapped school bags
Fake Al Jazeera journalist twitter account
Fake audio tapes released by IDF
Fake AI-generated images of Hamas leaders
Fake “official Al Qaeda material” on dead Hamas fighters
Fake antisemitism controversy over Greta’s toy octopus
Fake antisemitism allegations on Palestine campus activists
False grandstanding evacuation orders
False subtitles for Palestine protest chants
Fake Mein Kempf book in Gaza children living rooms
Fake ‘terrorist shift list’ by mistranslating an Arabic calendar
False labeled a Gaza 4-year-old toddler martyred in airstrike as a doll
False crisis actor accusation by using old pictures of West Bank raid survivor
False crisis actor accusation by using old pictures of Thai children in ghost costumes
False crisis actor accusation by using old pictures of Al-Azhar university students protesting
Yes, many Israeli civilians were killed by crossfire at festival
Yes, many Israeli civilians were killed by Israeli tanks/helicopters at kibbutz
Yes, many Israeli civilians said Hamas was kind to them during attacks and as captives
Yes, Israel exaggerated its death toll for October 7

At least you're honest about it. The others here continue to claim it's about Israeli government, not Jews.

It's about Jews because the plight of the Jewish people is being used to guilt people like yourself into supporting the dehumanization and mass murder of innocents.
Jews are not committing these atrocities, they are being committed by the Israeli government. Founded by and run by atheists.
The irony there is that the atheists are much more violent, bloodthirsty and deceptive than the Muslims in this scenario.

 

[JGrimez]

Honestly, hardly anyone here is cheering on murder. Speaking for myself, I'm simply quite clear on whether Israel have the right to respond or not.

Did you agree with and support how exactly Israel has responded?

This is true. But still, they are the direct perpetrators of the Oct 7th attacks, regularly launch rockets at Israel, and espouse a genocidal ideology- plus they share a border with Israel.

Do you agree with how the current borders have been drawn?

I don't know about either of your claims. Israel left Gaza 15 years ago.

Israel controls Gaza's points of entry. Israel controls their electricity, water food, literally everything that goes in or out. And people can't leave.
If I treated you that way, would you say that I leave you alone? Or that you're my captive prisoner?

 

[mal3volent]

@JGrimez

eyewitness testimony of women and children found naked , shot to death on bed, covered in semen:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/16/sexual-violence-israeli-women-hamas-attack-tapper-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

several more first hand reports of rape and women brutally murdered:

Israeli police say extreme sexual violence, rape by Hamas terrorists was systematic

While no victims of sex crimes by Hamas Oct. 7 have come forward, police say they have documented multiple cases and are investigating brutal crimes against women.

news.yahoo.com

crowds of Palestinians cheer and chase after trucks carrying Hamas terrorists and civilian Israeli corpses:

In the video, militants can be seen driving and standing on roadways in southern Israel and shooting at approaching vehicles. In some cases, civilians are pulled out of their cars and shot, sometimes multiple times, even after they appear to be already dead. Militants appear to work their way through houses, shooting people trying to hide — under tables and racing through rooms.

At the musical festival near Re'im, revelers are seen hiding, fear and shock on their faces. A person stares horrified into the camera of what appears to be a mobile phone as bloodied bodies lie around them. Image after image shows men, women and children, including an infant, dead, bloodied and burned.

In one harrowing moment, CCTV video shows a father and two boys running out of their home and into what appears to be a small shelter. Video from security cameras inside and outside the house shows militants coming around to the shelter and a grenade being thrown in. The father then collapses before the boys, covered in blood and wailing for "Daddy," are forced back into the home.

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One boy cries out in the video, which included English subtitles, “It’s really not a prank!” before noticing his brother's bloodied eye. “Can you see with this eye?” he asks frantically. "No. ... I can only see with one eye," his brother responds.

The older boy wails, pounds the floor and shouts, “Why am I alive?” as his brother appears to sit stunned.

Asked what happened to the two boys, IDF Maj. Gen. Mickey Edelstein, commander of the operational planning team, said he could not share those details out of respect for the family, but he suggested journalists shouldn't assume a "severe scenario.

Extremely graphic photo of burned female corpse, naked with hands tied:

Spoiler

Many more photos and video of Hamas atrocities

Description of first hand video shown to journalists by the IDF:



Accusations of "fake" photos of burned baby corpses disproven :

Truth or Fake - Israel falsely accused of sharing fake images of Hamas atrocities using AI

On October 12, the Government of Israel shared on X, formerly known as Twitter, the photos of infant victims murdered and burned by Hamas militants. Many anti-Israel users claim that these photos are…

www.france24.com

 

[mal3volent]

That's as far down the rabbit hole I'm willing to go. I found some links I was not willing to follow.

I feel just as badly for the innocent Palestinians killed. But this was brought on by the brutality of Hamas. Casualties in a justified war, as tragic as they are, are not equivalent to the intentional , premeditated , brutal, barbaric murders of 1500 civilians. With the promise of doing it again and again.

Civilization faces no greater threat than Islamic extremism. I do not give a fuck about race, ethnicity, or any biological factors... but if you subscribe to a violent ideology that advocates for atrocities similar to the ones listed above (and worse) , yes, fucking right I'm bigoted toward you.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

The racism hasn't exactly been "closeted" in this thread @JGrimez sadly its quite overt

 

[mal3volent]

The racism hasn't exactly been "closeted" in this thread @JGrimez sadly its quite overt

you two are perfect for each other.