There is a lot of erasure of US history that happens through omission in classrooms
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pharmakos
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I suppose the difference is that with hindsight, we realize that the Indigenous Americans who fought against the white man were a symptom of the conditions the white man imposed on them. At the time they were definitely treated like terrorists, even tho the word wasn't used at the time.
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Made in the USA: Homegrown terrorism has existed throughout American history | Milwaukee Independent
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that article talks about the atrocities inflicted upon the natives, everyone knows that
also my point was , why aren't there active Native American terrorist cells right now, not way back when.
pharmakos
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Because the Indigenous Americans fought for their rights already. They aren't CURRENTLY being oppressed. Not rocket science here dude.
And the article talks about both.
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by your definition they are still being oppressed
they live in open air prisons on reservations, treated like second class citizens in many ways
face disproportionate rates of alcoholism and domestic violence
generational trauma from America's original sin
why aren't they still trying to kill us and rape our women?
JahBeeuS
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Alcohol, Casinos, tax-exemption, and reparations iirc. They also are still afraid of the pox that hangs out on white skin - they don't dare rape white women for fear of touching their skin.
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The comparison between The establishment and expansion of Israel and that of the United States is very interesting. in fact, some of the most hard-line settler communities being immigrants from the US and they view their settlement outposts as part of a new frontier and their God-given right to expand. though I can’t see into peoples hearts, I do believe they are miss using biblical texts to justify their expansionist narrative, whilst deep down knowing full well, that god conscious people do not steal peoples land and oppress them, even if they have a different religion or no belief. this reminds me of a film I watched in history class where the Christian captain of a slave trading ship expressed his regret for being part of the slave trade and believed it was against his Christian ethics as well. this is despite many American Christians of the time knowingly twisting the Bible or even straight up lying about Jesus peace be upon him in order to justify their foul narrative.
I didn't say I supported them. The point was that they and Robinson came into existence because there was a root cause, they are merely a symptom in response to an underlying issue.
MI5 has admitted there are 40,000+ potential terrorist suspects in the UK on their watchlist. Granted that's not all foot soldiers of Islam, but you're deluding yourself if you think that a significant percentage of that total isn't. It clearly is. Who else is going to be making up the bulk of that number.
I don't support Israel. I'm not Jewish. On the same token I'm under no illusions about the followers of Islam, because past and present clearly demonstrates why we should be very wary of that group as a whole.
They've attacked innocent people in the UK on several occasions in terrorist acts. They've systematically raped young girls (why the EDL and Robinson became a thing). They have numerous mosques in this country that have radicalized individuals and sprung preacher dickheads like Choudhary and that nob with a hook for a hand. Forgive me, but I do not give a shit about offending the group as a whole. They clearly have real issues going on, issues that the British public are not required to take on and deal with.
This country is amazingly tolerant, but we were never asked whether we wanted hundreds of thousands of culturally incompatible people to come here, people who create their own little ghettos, refuse to integrate, leech off the system and enjoy all the fruits and still try to turn this country into the types of shiteholes in the ME that they've escaped from.
Jews, Sikhs, Poles, no problem. It's only the Muslim community that refuses to integrate into the fabric of our culture. Cry me a fucking river, I don't bloody care. There's people my age and younger who can't get houses in this country, meanwhile some dickhead Hamas leader gets gifted one in London. Again, forgive me for not giving two shits anymore.
pharmakos
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Natives are allowed to leave their reservations. It's a completely different situation. This is genuinely obvious stuff. If you think there's a clear parallel between Gaza and Indigenous America you're either being ignorant or being intentionally disingenuous. Just admit you made a bad point and move on.
They also don't get bombed on a regular basis. Or have Americans with guns creep around their homes to intimidate them while backed up by the army
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I never claimed they were completely analogous in every way.
But to be completely honest if you want to weigh victim points, I think it's no contest who has the larger grievance.
My point in all this being: if you look at the religious persuasions of each group, one has a "glory to the martyrs" theme and one doesn't. One has an infidel-killing warlord as it's prophet , the other doesn't.
Maybe that has a little to do with it?
For some reason we are allowed to openly criticize every other religion on Earth, but this one in particular, you're bigoted if you apply the same treatment. You have all these clueless college kids who support The Current Thing chanting violent antisemitic phrases, who have no idea what they're talking about. They just parrot what social media tells them to think without any critical thought or moral consistency whatsoever.
Wars have been fought since the beginning of civilization. Every bit of land has been contested a thousand times over. Israel isn't going away. The world ought to be united in denouncing Hamas , demanding they release the hostages, and surrendering. At the very least, they need to show a willingness to release their victims before any cease fire is considered.
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They are the most cowardly scumbags on this planet
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Western backing for Israel is not set in stone. The whole affair is a fiasco, a never ending petty abrahamitic desert monkey dirt fight.
It is my strong position that nobody in the western world should be rooting for any of these boring, violent, religiously superior idiots.
Does Israel have an earth terminate button or what?
Btw the comparison you describe is just another example of might is right. You can't refute a general statement by replacing it with a specific example of that same general statement.
Why u ppl preoccupied with blatantly incoherent emotional shit?
I'm sure this will still get brushed off but there is no real evidence that there are Hamas tunnels under all those hospitals that Israel wants to bomb
Allow me to introduce the Evangelicals
"One main strand of evangelical theology holds that the return of Jews to the region starts the clock ticking on a seven-year armageddon, after which Jesus Christ will return."
‘This war is prophetically significant’: why US evangelical Christians support Israel
One strand of evangelical theology holds that the return of Jews to the region starts the clock ticking on a seven-year armageddon, after which Jesus Christ will return
arrall
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Plenty of those are probably white nationalist EDL types, but I'll concede that the majority are probably fundamentalist Muslims.
But what do those people have to do with Palestinians?
By they I meant Palestinians, not the entirety of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.
Give your Muslim hate a rest for a minute and listen to what I am saying.
Muslims in the UK are completely separate from Palestinians.
Palestinians haven't even been able to exit Gaza in decades.
Saying that Palestinians are responsible for x actions by random Muslims on another continent is like saying that Christians are responsible for American war crimes.
As much as Israel would like an excuse to engage in collective punishment, Muslims are not a homogenous hivemind in the same way that no other religion is.
Islam has over a billion followers with heavily varying ethnicities, beliefs, & nationalities, just like any other religion.
And supporting Israel has nothing to do with being Jewish.
I am a Jewish anti-Zionist.
arrall
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Gaza death toll tops 10,000; UN calls it a children's graveyard
Gaza is becoming a "graveyard for children", U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said on Monday, amplifying demands for a ceasefire in the enclave, where Palestinian health authorities said the death toll from Israeli strikes had exceeded 10,000.
41% of the deaths have been children.
JahBeeuS
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It's like that movie, Minority Report. Just exchange "criminals" for "terrorists" and instead of having the weird precog things you just go ahead and assume that these innocents will eventually become terrorists (because obviously). You've got to exterminate the terrorists before they even know they're terrorists.Gaza death toll tops 10,000; UN calls it a children's graveyard
Gaza is becoming a "graveyard for children", U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said on Monday, amplifying demands for a ceasefire in the enclave, where Palestinian health authorities said the death toll from Israeli strikes had exceeded 10,000.www.reuters.com
41% of the deaths have been children.
arrall
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Bibi told me that you gotta kill the kids before they can grow up to potentially be terrorists.
Besides, they're 'human animals'. Why would they need food, water, or electricity? We can just cut those things off.
Israeli defence minister orders ‘complete siege’ on Gaza
“We are fighting against human animals”.
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