Israel is under attack

[pharmakos]

Furthermore, in this case, Israel would be both the original claimant and the current occupier, which sort of negates itself don't you think?

I've drank bottles of wine older than the state of Israel.

 

[pharmakos]

This is honestly the most inane comment I've read so far. Israel are not doing this. They did in the past (and gave it back) but according to your comment about native Americans, it only matters if it's happening now.

Amazing how your logic absolves you from having to actually do or be responsible for anything.

You haven't clicked the links about Israeli settlers taking land in the West Bank by violent force have you? That is happening in the modern day, recent years, not history.

 

[nepalnt21]

palestinians can't even relax IN AMERICA without some coward (that has clearly been brainwashed by western media) extending some of that netanyahu hate

Muslim boy killed and woman wounded in Illinois hate crime motivated by Israel-Hamas war, police say

An Illinois landlord accused of fatally stabbing a 6-year-old Muslim boy and seriously wounding his mother was charged with a hate crime after police and relatives said he singled out the victims because of their faith and as a response to the war between Israel and Hamas.

abc7news.com

 

[gordonliddy]

Thank you for tuning into Arab Facts. Day three.

Today's edition? How about gays in the middle east.

So as some of you know I am a religious fundamentalist and don't usually champion the rights of gays. But what should happen to gays? Should they be arrested? Re-educated?

Well here is what would happen to you if you are gay in Iraq. In sunny Bagdad, as told in the tales of those marching home from their years of service in the Continual War, it is told among the veterans that when the Iraqui's think that a man is gay, they use glue to seal up the poor kid's butthole. Then they feed him laxatives to cause the poor gay a digestive problem.

"Oh no!" you might think, "I don't support gays to have special rights, but surely that gay kid will be embarrassed when everyone finds out what happened to him?"

But that is not the case, because if you are gay and in Iraq and a gang of bullies glues your butthole shut, you can't go to the hospital for help because homosexuality is illegal in Iraq to the point where after you have become victimized for a crime the staff at the hospital would have to call the police and have you arrested.

So what I'm saying is that a couple of gay kids actually die in Bagdad each and every year, because they die from digestive failure and medical complications when gang members glue the butthole shut.

Not kidding.

Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for the next edition of ARAB FACTS!

 

[mal3volent]

1947 is the first time in all of history that the area was considered to be a Jewish state. The Jews were a MINORITY group in the region "back in the day."

I never said a "Jewish State". Everyone knows that occurred in the 20th century.

However, the Jewish people were there in that area centuries before Islam even existed. That is historical fact no?

 

[Tranced]

Just level the innocent with airstrikes, they'll see the error of their ways eventually.

Then they can build a smart city via blackrock or something.

Never said this before apart from jokingly, but remember them wrist bands; what would jesus do?

It's evil. This is satans wanking material.

 

[mal3volent]

it is told among the veterans that when the Iraqui's think that a man is gay, they use glue to seal up the poor kid's butthole

what are you talking about?

 

[nepalnt21]

Thank you for tuning into Arab Facts. Day three.

we can worry about the rights of lgbtq ppl under a conservative religious regime in neo- palestine AFTER we make sure they aren't obliterated off the face of the earth... o wait, you are saying they SHOULD be exterminated because hamas and the religious extremists are homophobic? strange take from someone that doesn't:

usually champion the rights of gays.

 

[pharmakos]

I never said a "Jewish State". Everyone knows that occurred in the 20th century.

The Jewish people were there in that area centuries before Islam even existed. That is historical fact no?

True, but there were also Arabs living in the area back in the Biblical days. Amongst many other ethnic groups. Yeah, Arabs largely became Islamic a few hundred years later, but many of the ancestors of those Arab Muslims lived in Judea. They lose their ancestral claim because they adopted a new religion?

 

[gordonliddy]

what are you talking about?

Dude, I didn't serve in the Iraq War. Did you? A couple of veterans said to me that in Iraq they are so against homosexuality that they kidnap gay kids and glue their buts closed, then force the kids to take laxatives. It will make them very sick!

This isn't a one time occurence, it's a fun thing to do on a Wednesday night in Baghdad!

See? I knew most people were not aware of the level of abuse against gays in the Middle East. Isn't that torture?

 

[nepalnt21]

muslims, christians, jews lived together side by side before the israeli state decided it had some divine right to expel palestinians from their homes and murder them like fish-in-a-barrel (with near total impunity) while making sure they can't get potable water

 

[pharmakos]

True, but there were also Arabs living in the area back in the Biblical days. Amongst many other ethnic groups. Yeah, Arabs largely became Islamic a few hundred years later, but many of the ancestors of those Arab Muslims lived in Judea. They lose their ancestral claim because they adopted a new religion?

BTW also important to keep in mind that many of the Palestinians kicked out of the region in 1947 were CHRISTIANS with families stretching back millennia. Surely Christians should have as much of a claim to Judea as Jewish people, if we are talking about religion being the deciding factor?

 

[nepalnt21]

most people were not aware of the level of abuse against gays in the Middle East.

many of us DO know... just wtf is your point?!

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Dude, I didn't serve in the Iraq War. Did you? A couple of veterans said to me that in Iraq they are so against homosexuality that they kidnap gay kids and glue their buts closed, then force the kids to take laxatives. It will make them very sick!

This isn't a one time occurence, it's a fun thing to do on a Wednesday night in Baghdad!

See? I knew most people were not aware of the level of abuse against gays in the Middle East. Isn't that torture?

The hyperchristians in Africa also do similar stuff but that isn't the topic of this thread even though you seem to want to start an "all Arabs bad" train

 

[mal3volent]

True, but there were also Arabs living in the area back in the Biblical days. Amongst many other ethnic groups. Yeah, Arabs largely became Islamic a few hundred years later, but many of the ancestors of those Arab Muslims lived in Judea. They lose their ancestral claim because they adopted a new religion?

I'm not saying that Muslim arabs don't deserve to live there in peace. I want that for all people. What I'm saying is that they don't have some special claim to that land that extends beyond what the Jews have. So the whole "living on stolen land" is kinda bullshit for those reasons and others I mentioned earlier.

 

[mal3volent]

Dude, I didn't serve in the Iraq War. Did you? A couple of veterans said to me that in Iraq they are so against homosexuality that they kidnap gay kids and glue their buts closed, then force the kids to take laxatives. It will make them very sick!

This isn't a one time occurence, it's a fun thing to do on a Wednesday night in Baghdad!

See? I knew most people were not aware of the level of abuse against gays in the Middle East. Isn't that torture?

so are you like a troll or an alt or something? The way you're talking about this in such a humorous way is kind of off putting. I mean, you don't have to tell me how barbaric homosexuals are treated in Islamic countries, but you don't like them either do you? I mean at the very least you want us to live miserable, celibate, inferior lives right? So what do you care.

 

[Tranced]

I'm not saying that Muslim arabs don't deserve to live there in peace. I want that for all people. What I'm saying is that they don't have some special claim to that land that extends beyond what the Jews have. So the whole "living on stolen land" is kinda bullshit for those reasons and others I mentioned earlier.

There are people who's houses were taken in their lifetime.

Land has definitely been stolen.

You want to know the acceptable timeframe for it to be considered wrong or actionable?

Anybody who has lost land in their life time, who could present a valid legal case in a normal jurisdiction. Not silly 2000 years ago stuff, just make it simple; since the occupation.

It's absolutely wrong.

 

[jasperkent]

The first casualty of war is the truth.
(now more than ever)....

 

[Tranced]

Yip, then free speech.

The first casualty of war is the truth.
(now more than ever)....

Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates

www.theguardian.com

Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police​

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates

Waving a Palestinian flag or singing a chant advocating freedom for Arabs in the region may be a criminal offence, Suella Braverman has told senior police officers.
In a letter to chief constables in England and Wales, the home secretary urged them to clamp down on any attempts to use flags, songs or swastikas to harass or intimidate members of the Jewish community.

Her words, which follow deadly attacks by Hamas on Israelis and a military response, will deeply concern freedom of speech advocates and members of the Muslim community.
In the letter, Braverman said police should not restrict themselves to potential offences related to the promotion of Hamas, a proscribed organisation.
“It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern. I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as: ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.
“I would encourage police to give similar consideration to the presence of symbols such as swastikas at anti-Israel demonstrations. Context is crucial. Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism.
“Nor is it acceptable to drive through Jewish neighbourhoods, or single out Jewish members of the public, to aggressively chant or wave pro-Palestinian symbols at. Where harassment is identified, I would encourage the police to take swift and appropriate enforcement action.
“I encourage all chief officers to ensure that any protests which could exacerbate community tensions by way of offensive placards, chants, or behaviours that could be construed as incitement or harassment, have a strong police presence to ensure perpetrators are appropriately dealt with, and that communities feel protected,” she wrote. Home Office sources confirmed her words had been approved by government lawyers.
Decisions on arrests are an operational matter for the police, Braverman wrote. “However, I would urge you to ensure your forces use all available powers to prevent disorder and distress to our communities, and that your officers will act if there are any incidents that stray into criminality,” she said.
The human rights barrister Shami Chakrabarti said “[that] the letter had been so readily press-released suggests that the intervention is at best virtue signalling and at worst seeking to compromise operational independence”, adding: “Police chiefs know their powers and duties. Anxious and vulnerable minority communities are not made safer by the politicisation of policing in difficult and dangerous times.”
Braverman’s letter was sent after Rishi Sunak vowed that anyone in the UK supporting Hamas would be “held to account” in the aftermath of the attack on Israel.
The prime minister said the government was ready to support any British citizens in need of help, during a visit in Staffordshire on Tuesday.


Thousands gather in London for protests and vigils as Israel-Hamas war enters third day – video
A “significant number” of British-Israeli dual nationals have been caught up in the conflict in Israel and Gaza, said the foreign secretary, James Cleverly.

Sunak confirmed his support for Israel, saying he stood in solidarity with the state and its people “in the face of these barbaric acts of terrorism”.

Discussing his visit to a synagogue in north London on Monday night, Sunak said he had been “unequivocal with them that we will make sure that they feel safe at this time”.

He said police had “been given very clear guidance and advice from the government to do everything that they can to keep the community safe”.

Officers will “clamp down on any behaviour that falls foul of the law”, Sunak said.

He added: “I’d just remind everyone that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. People should not be supporting Hamas and we will make sure that we hold people to account if they are.”

The number of Britons caught up in the violence in Israel and Gaza has yet to be confirmed, with ministers wary that official estimates of casualties and those injured are still being compiled.

Sunak said he understood there were families in the UK “anxious about their loved ones in the region”.

He added: “I want to reassure them we’re doing everything we can, working very closely with the Israeli authorities to establish what is happening on the ground, provide support to people where it’s needed.

“I’d urge anyone there to contact the Foreign Office so that they have their details, follow the advice locally from the Israelis but also from the Foreign Office, and we stand ready to support everyone as best we can.”

Earlier, Cleverly called on supporters of Palestine to stay at home, after protests in London.

The foreign secretary said: “There is no need, there’s no necessity for people to come out. It causes distress. This is a difficult, delicate situation.”

or singing a chant advocating freedom

Interesting how the following video has a text overlay that says "hundreds of people gather" when it's clearly at least tens of thousands.

 

[Mjäll]

I'm not saying that Muslim arabs don't deserve to live there in peace. I want that for all people. What I'm saying is that they don't have some special claim to that land that extends beyond what the Jews have. So the whole "living on stolen land" is kinda bullshit for those reasons and others I mentioned earlier.

From what i gather, it seems that this was what happened in a very concrete sense.

Nobody has special claim. But it seems that land was stolen from people, 75 years ago. I think that's the operative part.