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"Israel is one of the most racist countries in the world."


“One of the problems with religion is that it creates in-group loyalty and out-group hostility, even when members of one’s own group are behaving like psychopaths.”
― Sam Harris, Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue

“A great liberal betrayal is afoot. Unfortunately, many “fellow-travelers” of Islamism are on the liberal side of this debate. I call them “regressive leftists”; they are in fact reverse racists. They have a poverty of expectation for minority groups, believing them to be homogenous and inherently opposed to human rights values. They are culturally reductive in how they see “Eastern”—and in my case, Islamic—culture, and they are culturally deterministic in attempting to freeze their ideal of it in order to satisfy their orientalist fetish. While they rightly question every aspect of their “own” Western culture in the name of progress, they censure liberal Muslims who attempt to do so within Islam, and they choose to side instead with every regressive reactionary in the name of “cultural authenticity” and anticolonialism. They claim that their reason for refusing to criticize any policy, foreign or domestic—other than those of what they consider “their own” government—is that they are not responsible for other governments’ actions. However, they leap whenever any (not merely their own) liberal democratic government commits a policy error, while generally ignoring almost every fascist, theocratic, or Muslim-led dictatorial regime and group in the world. It is as if their brains cannot hold two thoughts at the same time. Besides, since when has such isolationism been a trait of liberal internationalists? It is a right-wing trait. They hold what they think of as “native” communities—and I use that word deliberately—to lesser standards than the ones they claim apply to all “their” people, who happen to be mainly white, and that’s why I call it reverse racism. In holding “native” communities to lesser—or more culturally “authentic”—standards, they automatically disempower those communities. They stifle their ambitions. They cut them out of the system entirely, because there’s no aspiration left. These communities end up in self-segregated “Muslim areas” where the only thing their members aspire to is being tin-pot community leaders, like ghetto chieftains. The “fellow-travelers” fetishize these “Muslim” ghettos in the name of “cultural authenticity” and identity politics, and the ghetto chieftains are often the leading errand boys for them. Identity politics and the pseudo-liberal search for cultural authenticity result in nothing but a downward spiral of competing medieval religious or cultural assertions, fights over who are the “real” Muslims, ever increasing misogyny, homophobia, sectarianism, and extremism. This is not liberal. Among the left, this is a remnant of the socialist approach that prioritizes group identity over individual autonomy. Among the right, it is ironically a throwback from the British colonial “divide and rule” approach. Classical liberalism focuses on individual autonomy. I refer here to liberalism as it is understood in the philosophical sense, not as it’s understood in the United States to refer to the Democratic Party—that’s a party-political usage. The great liberal betrayal of this generation is that in the name of liberalism, communal rights have been prioritized over individual autonomy within minority groups. And minorities within minorities really do suffer because of this betrayal. The people I really worry about when we have this conversation are feminist Muslims, gay Muslims, ex-Muslims—all the vulnerable and bullied individuals who are not just stigmatized but in many cases violently assaulted or killed merely for being against the norm.”
― Sam Harris, Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue
 


"Israel is one of the most racist countries in the world."


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i'm not gonna pretend to be an expert... but this is unequivocally, categorically false.

they've got history. and i mean WAYYYYY before the idf goons came into a mosque (ON RAMADAN, to boot) and beat ppl for exercising what we in the u.s. call one's 'first amendment right'.

you saying that is like saying the church street bombing in apartheid south africa was simply because 'caucasians'.
The people that support Hamas hate Jews. It's in the Hamas charter. The Palestinians elected Hamas with article 7 of the Hamas covenant .



'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)
 

While I loathe Wikipedia, above is a list of Palestinian suicide bombings. Again, check every source and use it to access other media reports to detect bias (if present) within the reporting. Never trust a single source so try to acquire information from sources world-wide.

This isn't a war between right and wrong. It's two extremist governments who both seek to gain from the conflict.
 
I'll play devils advocate and say that polls are generally there to influence the party viewing the results, rather than impart actual truth to them. However. Regardless of how accurate the calculations and formulation of the polling questions are, I can't immediately see how one would craft these particular ones to obfuscate what are apparently quite self evident (and disturbing) truths. I mean 'death penalty', and especially 'suicide bombing', are pretty black and white are they not?

There's also the matter of the European views in particular, of being lower. Is this because European Muslims are generally more tolerant, or is it perhaps that they're deliberately concealing their views given the environment?

Personally, I would not want to take the gamble of it being the former. Mob rule, social contagion, these things can boil over if given the right opportunity. In the heat of the moment all the intellectual verbiage in the world isn't going to save you, and I wouldn't place faith on liberalizing elements in that community being able to sway the discourse either given how things are elsewhere. But that's just my opinion.
 
Hamas hate Jews.
i won't argue against that point, but my point still stands... the evil israeli government (religion and ethnicity aside) is why the most recent attack happened.

i'm pretty sure - living under apartheid, being the subject of genocide... the religion of the oppressors is a sidenote.
 
I'll play devils advocate and say that polls are generally there to influence the party viewing the results, rather than impart actual truth to them. However. Regardless of how accurate the calculations and formulation of the polling questions are, I can't immediately see how one would craft these particular ones to obfuscate what are apparently quite self evident (and disturbing) truths. I mean 'death penalty', and especially 'suicide bombing', are pretty black and white are they not?

There's also the matter of the European views in particular, of being lower. Is this because European Muslims are generally more tolerant, or is it perhaps that they're deliberately concealing their views given the environment?

Personally, I would not want to take the gamble of it being the former. Mob rule, social contagion, these things can boil over if given the right opportunity. In the heat of the moment all the intellectual verbiage in the world isn't going to save you, and I wouldn't place faith on liberalizing elements in that community being able to sway the discourse either given how things are elsewhere. But that's just my opinion.

Be suspicious of ANY survey results unless YOU can read the full questionnaire.


It's a KNOWN skill among governments to design surveys to obtain a sought result.
 
i used to enjoy his content, back when he made fun of cruncy hippies... but apparently he has been a bad- faith pundit representing the mainstream tighty righties the whole time?

he's apparently (as showcased by this behemothly dumb video) almost as sharp as velveeta.
What did he say that wasn’t true ?
 
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