Israel is under attack

[Pissed_and_messed]

So why does that only apply in one direction? What does slaughtering 1000+ innocent civilians have to do with anything other than stirring up more trouble? Why do these people get a free pass and excused for their actions?

I can empathize with people who praise those acts. I have power and justice fantasies too. I just reject them. And I reject the act of HAMAS, even more than people who get some warm feeling when "bully gets hit" (or that is the picture people develop, it is questionable if single one REAL bully got harmed). And I suggest people to view this all as a tragedy, rather than claiming anything of this violence having been "successful". But you ask, "why does that apply only in one direction". That gets me confused, because I see huge number of people going exclusively in one direction, just two kind of, and they are having opposite directions. Many outliers to this pattern are there too. Maybe your question was moreso rhetoric than passive-aggressive, and that's why I got confused. Or maybe I have earlier stated something that could be challenged with your question. Which might be the case, because while I recognize faults palestinian people have, they also kind of get my sympathy-just with some reservation.

When it comes to demonstrations applauding the terrorist acts, I was surprised and disappointed also.

Mass murder is not controlling your emotions at all

that is good perspective. It really is not in some sense. I wish everyone out there in the genocide-zone got skillful shrink, but obviously that can not be done.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Mass murder is not controlling your emotions at all

I continue from this one. I was never argumenting for doing that, which you seemed to assume me doing or then this was again mumbling to the wider audience. I was argumenting why it happens.

 

[-=SS=-]

that is good perspective. It really is not in some sense. I wish everyone out there in the genocide-zone got skillful shrink, but obviously that can not be done.

The only mass murderer I have ever had any degree of sympathy for was Ted Kaczynski because he was at least trying to highlight wider issues that we're all facing. His heart was in the right place - only up until the point he actually committed his first murder.

Whereas those in the current context, they're not even interested in dialogue or tangible solutions. People are too eager to project qualities on to those people that they don't actually posses, which accounts for the subtle or even overt excusing of their actions. I have sympathy for those who bare the burden of suffering in Gaza, who take it out on themselves with vices perhaps, but once you cross the line into taking other life then the sympathy stops because you're only creating more doorways for future evil acts.

I can't empathise with those who praise the acts either. Doesn't matter what context it is in. If you're celebrating murder in any format then you're only one step behind those who actually commit it in the first place. I apply this same line of thought to those who get choked up about the world wars and fighting Nazi's, or modern wars and 'hero' soldiers. You look at the rates of mental disorders for those who serve on the front lines, or even some of their own commentary, and it seems abundantly clear that war is hell and no rational person should ever be cheering it on and that we should strive to escape its gravity.

I understand why people, why young men, get sucked into this crap. Part of the solution is not glorifying it to begin with, and that starts with praise or celebration. Unfortunately the opposite is codified within the Islamic faith itself, and until people are willing to push back and hold a mirror up to these people then nothing is going to change. Any non-Muslim western person should think very carefully about dolling out sympathy or empathy to these people, because they may very well end up stabbing you in the back sooner rather than later. The fact we don't see many moderates or people within the Muslim community speaking up, in a proper intellectual manner, should be the reality check here.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Unfortunately the opposite is codified within the Islamic faith itself

Well that is just false

Do you think what Israel is doing is codified in Jewish faith?

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

Can someone ban me from posting on here, such waste of time and effort

 

[swilow]

So Israel making laws that prevent Palestinians from owning property and voting isn't hateful? That's an interesting take

We have a mind reader

No foreign citizens can vote in Israeli elections. I'm not sure how this is particularly surprising. Thats the same law in nearly every democratic nation. If they are Israeli citizens, they can vote.

As to owning property, it's not as simple as what you keep saying. It's hard/complicated for Israeli citizens to buy land in Israel. It is typically leased. And AFAIK, no foreign citizen can lease state land. Perhaps if there was less beheading and rocket launching Israel may be a bit more welcoming?

But of course, let's see what Hamass view on Israelis owning land are *checks notes* nope, still want all of Israel dead.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Oh so the people that were already living there aren't citizens, how convenient

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Again you seem to be mistaken in thinking that the rocket launching came before Palestinians being pushed out of their homes and genocided

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

People are too eager to project qualities on to those people that they don't actually posses, which accounts for the subtle or even overt excusing of their actions.

you are most definitely right and I willingly took the risk I do it again by expressing my imaginations; but, what else could I do? (nothing...? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE)

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I can't empathise with those who praise the acts either.

I use the word empathize referring to wide-scale understanding, emotions, motives, incentives, well-formed cognitions, you know... It sometimes involves acceptance, but in this case I can say I do not accept praising terrorist acts.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

If you're celebrating murder in any format then you're only one step behind those who actually commit it in the first place.

while I can perceive self-defence as rather wide concept, I empathize you to the point of something that resembles agreement. HAMAS is not standing for palestinians rights. If you want to do war for your rights, don't resort to terrorism. And even then, I am doubtful about war.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Unfortunately the opposite is codified within the Islamic faith itself, and until people are willing to push back and hold a mirror up to these people then nothing is going to change.

Do you mind to elaborate a little? I know about the regions holy purposes, but you seem to know something else I don't.

And I agree, religion is big issue in this conflict. Some say it is just excuse, which might be true, but it is so good excuse that it is problem.

 

[swilow]

Oh so the people that were already living there aren't citizens, how convenient

Yep, I knew I was right in not discussing this with you anymore. You make the most consistently illogical arguments. I'm guessing you're very young?

 

[assclass]

My bad I must have missed the part where it was purchased from the ottoman empire

you missed a lot of history. It's good that you are able to admit you were wrong, and maybe now you will read a book or two and educate yourself.

 

[assclass]

And...? What else were they supposed to do? THEIR families were murdered, kicked out of their own homes, and treated like absolute shit by the invading Zionists. If I were them, I too would've been launching rockets and killing as many of the enemy as possible.

They were not supposed to become FUCKING TERRORISTS who kill babies.

Because no one (expect mentally ill retards) helps terrorists that kill babies. When normal good people hear about people kill babies they don't support the baby killers, they pray for SEAL Team 6 to remove the terrorists from the planet.

 

[assclass]

Ah yes, the babies deserved to be burnt alive because of things their ancestors did. Nice morality you've got there.

damn, I can't bring facts and logic to an argument with people who think supporting terrorism is the moral high ground.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

damn, I can't bring facts and logic to an argument with people who think supporting terrorism is the moral high ground.

Says the person supporting genocide

 

[assclass]

When you say things their ancestors did, are you referring to the ongoing genocide and ethnic displacement of Plaestjnians? It isn't in the past because it hasn't stopped happening since it started. Israel is still a far right ethno state that is actively killing thousands of Palestinians

past genocide is not justification for current day genocide.

Genocide is wrong. End of story.

If you think Israel is bad for genocidal policy, surely you would agree that any other group with genocidal policy or goals is also bad.

Killing is bad. Except when I do it against the people I hate. Because magic (communist/gnostic/hermetic) logic!

 

[assclass]

Says the person supporting genocide

I do not support genocide, or anyone who does.

Sorry, you are wrong, and it is fucking rude to say that.

edit:

upon further reflection, perhaps I did support the genocide of terrorists. If I didn't, I would like to affirm I do believe genocide against terrorists is a moral and good thing for humanity.

 

[mal3volent]

Says the person supporting genocide

You need to put in more effort with your posts. All these one liners that require no thought, that are just meant to troll the person you're talking to need to stop.

It's so annoying repeating all these memes without being able to articulate any arguments to back them up.