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Israel is under attack

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mal3volent said:
you mean the establishment that spread the hospital lie right?
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I’m not paying attention to this nonsense tbh. But anything they boast as reasoning for their illegal wars should be considered highly suspect. Weapons of mass destruction were never found, don’t forget this fact.
 
swilow said:
We are swimming through an ocean of utter bullshit these days. Honestly, I can't see a way for us to dig our way out of this. Everything and nothing is true.
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agreed, it's truly astonishing how different the source of our daily realities has changed so rapidly since the invention of the internet.

I think human psychological evolution has become exponential along with technology, at an unsustainable rate, I've mentioned this idea before. Moore's Law, turned out to be very true. There is another paradigm growing perpendicularly with Moore's Law.... how our own consciousness is created and manipulated.

We are no longer the hunter/gatherer species that got us here. We have morphed into pure gatherers, in a sense. There is no need for physical survival anymore. We gather, more so are fed, information for survival. Physical survival has become all but autonomous now.

I think technology is the breaking factor of our species.

If you're into UFO theories, this is one of the more prominent messages/warnings they "send to us". That technology will be our and the Earth's undoing.

Humans have been thieving murderous scandalous animalistic creatures since our genesis, but only within the last several decades have we been able to literally destroy the planet on a whim, instantly, and that ability cannot be uncoupled with prototypical internet type technology.

Blah blah blah we must destroy the Worldwide Mad Deadly Communist Gangster Computer God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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nepalnt21 said:
sadly, you're right... i just hope more ppl realize that THERE ARE ACTUALLY WAR CRIMES being done
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Correct, and this is what Israel are responding to. This is not a conflict where you can tally up the death counts and say who is the worst. Israel are battling this:

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him"
- from the Hamas charter of 1988

The 2017 revisions includes such laughable lines as "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance" which I think all know is utter nonsense.

'We love death as you love life'. Try and fight that absolute nihilism with words and compromise. Radical Islam is a death cult.

There is a difference which you just refuse to acknowledge. Israel are doing what they are doing in response to the explicit genocidal aims of Palestinian jihadist groups. You will claim those groups are responding to the Zionist occupation (as do Hamas) and expulsion of Palestinians from their historical lands but should equally acknowledge the expulsion/flight of Jews from nearly every Arabic country post 1947. It is just true to say that radical Islam has deep, unwavering anomsity to the Jews as per Islamic texts and traditions, in a way that the Jewish faith and modern secular Israel simply doesn't towards Islam.

Israel are not without blame at all and it is right to question the manner in which Israel was formed. But that it exists is not up for questioning, and why it exists- you need only look to the aims of Hamas and the absolute indifference of the world throughout history towards the Jews and what this resulted in.
 
swilow said:
Correct, and this is what Israel are responding to. This is not a conflict where you can tally up the death counts and say who is the worst. Israel are battling this:

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him"
- from the Hamas charter of 1988

The 2017 revisions includes such laughable lines as "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance" which I think all know is utter nonsense.

'We love death as you love life'. Try and fight that absolute nihilism with words and compromise. Radical Islam is a death cult.

There is a difference which you just refuse to acknowledge. Israel are doing what they are doing in response to the explicit genocidal aims of Palestinian jihadist groups. You will claim those groups are responding to the Zionist occupation (as do Hamas) and expulsion of Palestinians from their historical lands but should equally acknowledge the expulsion/flight of Jews from nearly every Arabic country post 1947. It is just true to say that radical Islam has deep, unwavering anomsity to the Jews as per Islamic texts and traditions, in a way that the Jewish faith and modern secular Israel simply doesn't towards Islam.

Israel are not without blame at all and it is right to question the manner in which Israel was formed. But that it exists is not up for questioning, and why it exists- you need only look to the aims of Hamas and the absolute indifference of the world throughout history towards the Jews and what this resulted in.
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True, and don’t forget the Jews have been expelled from 109 countries historically. Lots of bad hosts!
 
mal3volent said:
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we totally sure it wasn't idf?

they do, in fact, have a history of bombing the piss out of hospitals"

-nepalnt21
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... which isn't disinfo... it IS true that they have a history of bombing hospitals.

and afaik, we didn't know for sure what happened when i posted that.

so please delete the part where you said "again", because that's misinfo or even disinfo.
 
nepalnt21 said:
... which isn't disinfo... it IS true that they have a history of bombing hospitals.

and afaik, we didn't know for sure what happened when i posted that.

so please delete the part where you said "again", because that's misinfo or even disinfo.
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absolutely not.

I posted a warning immediately not to trust the Hamas controlled "health officials " who released the initial info

then, even after the US intelligence sources had confirmed that Israel wasn't responsible you ask,

"are we totally sure it wasn't IDF?" -nepalnt21
 
Evan Saddam thought and did have nerve gas, gave it to Syrians. But we should have left him alone. I could care less about brutal third world dictators as long as they are not a threat.
 
nepalnt21 said:
there are rules to that shit
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really? where does it say that?

"War crime" is a strange concept to begin with. It's like suggesting lions and tigers have some sort of genetic deep rulebook about how to treat their prey with respect before eating them.

"all is fair in love and war"

I'm not condoning war crimes or saying they should go unpunished, I'm just saying it's a fundamentally odd concept. It's an entirely human idea.

Not just a few hundred years ago, chopping off your opponent's head and beating their healers to death with it was seen as a glorious victory, not a "war crime". Like a Mortal Kombat finisher.
 
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swilow said:
Israel are not without blame at all
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for their war crimes? netanyahu, the president, the defense minister... do they not have agency?

the rest of what you said, i'm not here to contest that.

israel existing isn't something i'm against, and them defending themselves is ABSOLUTELY their right.

someone much smarter than me (sam seder, i think it was) pointed out that israel is NOT a safe place for jewish people, if the goal was safety; and that america is a MUCH safer place than israel.

chris hitchens asked "do you want a place for jewish people in palestine, or do you want a jewish state?" and i think that is an important question with an important distinction.

i still want to know yerall's (those that support israel 110%) opinion on the west bank, where hamas IS NOT in power and yet palestinians are treated worse than dogs (i'd be sickened to treat any animals how they are treated in the west bank).

are we supposed to let the state of israel slide on all of their crimes, forever?
 
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