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I've never condoned what Israel is doing, though.

All I've said is they have a right to defend themselves, but not bomb civilians all willy nilly.
 
deficiT said:
How so? Is it not just a flag or a symbol? How else should you tell your government that you're mad at them and they're fucking up? Would you rather it be a gunshot of a person that's authorized the killing of millions? Or a strategically placed bomb to cut off a military supply chain? Would that be too pointed? Maybe that would be worse right?

Fuck patriotism. That shit went out of fashion after WWII when we stopped fighting Nazis and started killing anyone and everyone for capitalist expansion for 80 years.This whole jingoist nonsense is fueled by dated ass concepts like that. You are basically saying fuck Palestine it can't have the concept of a state, even in the most basic sense of flying it's colors, and to even fly that thought is an insult to me as my great state will always reign supreme.
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I don't think the US is all that involved in this conflict. We give aid to half the countries in the world. Israel would be doing what they're doing even if we didn't give them aid. We also give aid to Palestine, actually we give more aid to Palestine per capita than we do to Israel.

I never said Palestine can't have statehood, I think they should.

I also dislike ultra-patriotism.

I do have a problem with exchange students coming over here for the benefits we provide, and then tearing down our flag to raise their own. There are ways to protest without tearing down an American flag.

Nothing wrong with having pride from where you came from, but your flag should stand next to the US, not replacing it.
 
deficiT said:
If you can't keep up with the competition or the flow of free enterprise maybe you should get better at what you're doing or go somewhere else? At least, that's what everyone tells me when I have any problem at all with the way things are governed. Why should you be any different?
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So I get displaced after having been raised here, in this culture, just to cater to some flimsy economic argument.

There is a serious discrepancy and contradiction in your argument. On the one hand you assert this anti-state attitude in your posts, but then on the other hand you're willing to accept this free-market economic bullshit which doesn't actually benefit anyone except the elite parasites, and devalues life itself in favour of money.

There is more to a country than just economics.
deficiT said:
It's actually ironic af you're talking about the neighbors moving in on you considering your countries extensive history of taking over entire countries and turning them into proxy states.

...Self awareness levels at an all time high.
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Mate, don't talk about self-awareness like that. What the hell has my existence got to do with what a small group of elitists based out of the City of London did? The average person in the UK was treated like fucking dirt too you know. Work houses. Evicted from land during the industrial revolution. Scrapping by in deprived living conditions.

That does not translate into people coming into this country and me just rolling over, accepting that my life should be detrimentally impacted in order to placate their phony outrage over history that occurred before they were born too. Why should these people get a free ride when my family tree and the rest of the average British people built up the real culture of this nation? Why should their sweat and suffering by diminished to cater to outsiders who don't give a fuck about the fabric of the host nation. Fuck those people, and fuck you too if you think that's acceptable.

You know what would happen if the roles were reversed and I tried to do that in an Arab state? They'd tell me to go fuck myself and probably beat my ass too.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
True, but they also didn't have much to do with civil rights, that was Martin Luther King Jr.

Also, weren't the black panthers more ideologically right wing?
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... what? That's some great man of history type stuff. The civil rights movement was a giant movement with a million moving parts of all sorts of different people and groups in the general struggle for race equality over many years. Sure, MLK was probably the most recognizable figure and certainly got the most accolades for it, but that was the work of millions.

And nah, they were a marxist group. Another big reason for red scare. There were no "radical" right wing groups aside from fascists and Nazis. Because, yeah the right just wants an extension of the same shit, and when you distill that concept, that's where you get. A la, fuck the immigrants, the Muslims, and I love my country nonsense. All of these concepts are fascist adjacent at absolute best, that's why I'm saying all of this is fucking horseshit right now.
 
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So I get displaced after having been raised here, in this culture, just to cater to some flimsy economic argument.

There is a serious discrepancy and contradiction in your argument. On the one hand you assert this anti-state attitude in your posts, but then on the other hand you're willing to accept this free-market economic bullshit which doesn't actually benefit anyone except the elite parasites, and devalues life itself in favour of money.

There is more to a country than just economics.

Mate, don't talk about self-awareness like that. What the hell has my existence got to do with what a small group of elitists based out of the City of London did? The average person in the UK was treated like fucking dirt too you know. Work houses. Evicted from land during the industrial revolution. Scrapping by in deprived living conditions.

That does not translate into people coming into this country and me just rolling over, accepting that my life should be detrimentally impacted in order to placate their phony outrage over history that occurred before they were born too. Why should these people get a free ride when my family tree and the rest of the average British people built up the real culture of this nation? Why should their sweat and suffering by diminished to cater to outsiders who don't give a fuck about the fabric of the host nation. Fuck those people, and fuck you too if you think that's acceptable.

You know what would happen if the roles were reversed and I tried to do that in an Arab state? They'd tell me to go fuck myself and probably beat my ass too.
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Ok I've lived in my country my whole life, my families been here for hundreds of years, does that mean I get to say who is welcome here? Should I have an inkling of a care where my neighbor 300 miles away from me was fucking BORN? But if they were born in the UK, they're fine and dandy and it doesn't matter! No one's taking over British culture dude, if anything it's becoming more of a melting pot, which will probably be a good thing for the comedy and the food.

Sorry, you don't get to stake a claim in land that literally isn't yours. You're making up things to get mad about at this point. You are no different than the build the wall conservatives in America, literally like I pointed out at the beginning and you denied ferociously and are now telling me to fuck myself about. Living in Pennsylvania talking about build the wall.

You're right it's not just about an economy, it's about literal human rights. This "I'm a citizen bullshit" is literally loudly relinquishing your freedom as a human being and expressing that a nation state fucking OWNS you bro.

Sorry those are your beliefs dude. I genuinely am sorry as it's a pretty common and unfortunate one, with a lot of unfortunate side effects like whack ass fascists murdering immigrants because they believe this manifest destiny god save the queen horseshit they've been spoonfed their whole life and believe in some dark skinned Boogeyman propaganda.

It's a radical concept, but I don't think humans should be owned by states and I think that they should be able to freely move and that would solve a lot of problems in this world. Crazy I know but freedom is not an appetizer.
 
deficiT said:
It's just virtue signaling" is basically saying no one can have any political beliefs unless they fully uproot their entire lives and be completely ideologically pure is what you're saying. That's insanity. So all of the kids just have to drop out of school or it means nothing. I really don't get that. Have you ever been involved in activism? It's very rare that someone is able to devote their entire lives to it. It doesn't mean that people are not both committed and passionate about it. It's all bs, they can't have these beliefs, expressing them publicly means nothing unless they drop out of school. That's actually a crazy thing to say.

Being anti the current thing is all the energy that's being given right now.
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I'm not trying to sound bitchy but did you actually read my post? I literally said they didn't have to drop out and mentioned transferring. Think of it this way. If you worked as an assistant to a guy you found out was a serial rapist, would you go through the trouble of finding a new job even if it meant temporary hardship? Yeah you would. Even if it meant you had to move in with family during the transition, or find other arrangements. You wouldn't stay employed by him knowing what you were contributing to.

It wouldn't necessarily involve "uprooting your entire life", and at the end of the day you would be morally and financially absolved from any wrongdoing. It also wouldn't mean you'd have to devote your entire life to activism. This whole thing boils down to this: if these institutions are as culpable as the protesters claim they are, they should immediately cut all ties to them until they change their policies. Anything less than that tells me they are just exaggerating the university's involvement in order to justify using their campus as a staging ground.
 
mal3volent said:
I'm not trying to sound bitchy but did you actually read my post? I literally said they didn't have to drop out and mentioned transferring. Think of it this way. If you worked as an assistant to a guy you found out was a serial rapist, would you go through the trouble of finding a new job even if it meant temporary hardship? Yeah you would. Even if it meant you had to move in with family during the transition, or find other arrangements. You wouldn't stay employed by him knowing what you were contributing to.

It wouldn't necessarily involve "uprooting your entire life", and at the end of the day you would be morally and financially absolved from any wrongdoing. It also wouldn't mean you'd have to devote your entire life to activism. This whole thing boils down to this: if these institutions are as culpable as the protesters claim they are, they should immediately cut all ties to them until they change their policies. Anything less than that tells me they are just exaggerating the university's involvement in order to justify using their campus as a staging ground.
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I did read the post. I think you're just missing an element. These institutions represent the highest levels of American academia. Is it really that crazy to think people are trying to change how these places operate, because they represent the country, on a global scale? Is it more effective to just drop and run from things or make an actual change? Idk you tell me

Anyway... I don't have anything more to say I probably need to step out of this thread before I get dumb
 
deficiT said:
So instead of just not signing on to everything, you basically criticize and oppose the entire thing from the get. Like has been the situation, no matter how many bodies drop, it's still Hamas fault, etc etc...
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Well, it is Hamas' fault. They funneled a shit ton of aid money into creating their terrorist infrastructure rather than building up their community. They built miles and miles of tunnels but not a single bomb shelter. When the IDF told them to evacuate, they told them to stay. Blocked of exit routes, downplayed what was about to happen. They boobytrap corpses and operate out of hospitals and mosques. They've turned down every agreement ever presented to them because they don't want peace. Peace does not further their goals. And most importantly, they refuse to surrender even though it would save the lives of their people and bring an immediate stop to the bloodshed.


deficiT said:
The people that oppose social movements are opposing them way before anyone mentions any "radical" shit. Your comment cuts against the entire grain of this whole progression. It's the same people saying George Floyd was a criminal fck him, Palestinians started this fck them, they've been saying this the whole time, there has never been any radical shift that turned people off.
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I don't think that's true at all. The BLM protests had almost universal support all around the world when it started. It was only when shit started hitting the fan and it turned violent that public support dwindled. Then later everyone finds out about the leaders and where all the money was going, shit like that. But the underlying initial message was very popular and probably would've led to more significant police reforms if it had been managed better.

Same thing with pretty much all the others.
 
deficiT said:
No one's taking over British culture dude, if anything it's becoming more of a melting pot, which will probably be a good thing for the comedy and the food.
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Right, because Muslim's are just world renowned for their comedic value and being able to actually take a joke. Like, a cartoon depiction of their so-called prophet.

Our culture did just fine with Monty Python mocking Christianity. I'll take that over a bunch of sandy buttholes who can't take jokes or criticism about themselves, and who resort to violence to express their insecurity. You want to talk about lack of self-awareness?

Are you a Marxist or something? There is something fundamentally amiss with your arguments. Like you're clearly overlooking the fundamental differences in psychology between groups of people for instance, so that your particular economic-philosophy can take precedence.. instead of trying to reconcile and refine your views.
 
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Right, because Muslim's are just world renowned for their comedic value and being able to actually take a joke. Like, a cartoon depiction of their so-called prophet.

Our culture did just fine with Monty Python mocking Christianity. I'll take that over a bunch of sandy buttholes who can't take jokes or criticism about themselves, and who resort to violence to express their insecurity. You want to talk about lack of self-awareness?

Are you a Marxist or something? There is something fundamentally amiss with your arguments. Like you're clearly overlooking the fundamental differences in psychology between groups of people for instance, so that your particular economic-philosophy can take precedence.. instead of trying to reconcile and refine your views.
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He asks after requesting I not shoehorn him. You're painting with such a broad brush now that I've found myself lost in a Lowe's hardware store.

I recognize that different cultures think differently. I guess I just grew up with this radical idea that different people can figure these differences out over time through basic tolerance of each other and cooperation, which has been the defining case for the thousands of years of human evolution that brought us to this moment.
 
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deficiT said:
Sharing is one of those things we learned before grade school man. I'm sorry but unless it's, literally your house/land, the land doesn't belong to you. The common area does not belong to you specifically. Just because you walk down a street doesn't mean it belongs to you. Immigrants don't destroy economies, that's actually insane they actually create jobs bro. If you can't keep up with the competition or the flow of free enterprise maybe you should get better at what you're doing or go somewhere else? At least, that's what everyone tells me when I have any problem at all with the way things are governed. Why should you be any different?

It's actually ironic af you're talking about the neighbors moving in on you considering your countries extensive history of taking over entire countries and turning them into proxy states.

But yeah we better not get on this immigration thing because if you don't understand that people have a God given, not Man given, liberty like that then we'll never agree.

Self awareness levels at an all time high.
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Migrants provide zero benefits bro

This is obvious in Europe
 
Conky said:
Migrants provide zero benefits bro
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Migrants provide plenty of benefits. Both the US and Canada would not be as powerful and rich as they are today without migrants.

Every single white person in the Americas was once a migrant. Don't insult your ancestors.

Or do you just mean non-white migrants?
 
This is disgusting. This is anti-american. You know what? I'm gonna side with conservatives on this one.

If you don't like George Washington then leave the country and stop going to college here.

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Snafu in the Void said:
Migrants provide plenty of benefits. Both the US and Canada would not be as powerful and rich as they are today without migrants.

Every single white person in the Americas was once a migrant. Don't insult your ancestors.

Or do you just mean non-white migrants?
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Haha ok bro lets hope Texas drops off their illegal aliens in your neighborhood
 
Conky said:
Haha ok bro lets hope Texas drops off their illegal aliens in your neighborhood
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You do realize that I'm from Texas and have a much better understanding of illegal Mexican immigrants than you do, right? Tambien hablo espanol y tenies bueno amigos que eran ilegales.

But go ahead and keep pretending you know the situation better than I do. I literally lived there for 25+ years. Keep watching Fox News. There is no "migrant crisis" at our southern border. That's fake news. Illegal immigrant levels are the exact same as they were 20+ years ago.
 
Conky said:
Migrants provide zero benefits bro

This is obvious in Europe
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Humans have functional uses and purpose no matter where they're from.

You the type of dude to drive his car off a bridge, have an immigrant pull him from the wreckage and save his life, and then spend the rest of his years contemplating the value of human life.
 
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