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Stimulants Is using speed as a study aid doomed to fail?

i decided im gonna not use it at all for now and remain abstinent for the foreseeable future while i get money and regular pussy.

this was my original goal because every time i can recall i would take drugs in the past id feel like a fuckign loser when i came down once my horny fantasies wore off as id just feel like a loser all alone again in a pool of sweat and my dick raw with cocksores.

i reckon it will feel more like a celebration of life once i have pussy on tap, so rather than an escape a celebration of my achievements. thats if ill want it at all then, we'll see.
 
Using any substance in the long run will result in you learning less as memory cues are activated when you are in the same state during memory retrieval.

In other words, If you learn while you are high, you will recall better when you are high. However if you learn the same info sober you will recall it better sober, and the result will almost always be greater recall when sober.

You may be able to study longer for a short period of time (a week or a month) but if you have any plans of becoming a scholar try to avoid the use of any substance to aid studying and try to use other methods. Like changing your environment (study in the park, or at a library) as some environments promote far better memory retention.
 
so again that begs the question whether you should ever use drugs at all even recreatioanlly, since every time you lean on a drug to get to a certain state your effectively atrophying your natural abilities no?
 
I'd say at first it helps a lot with focus and motivation and then after a while you are totally unmotivated without it, more so than before you took speed in the first place.

This is so, so true. Then you start having doubts about yourself, and things start to suck real hard.
 
I don't even think amphetamines can be used recreationally. I'm probably very annoying to be around when I'm on amps... I wish someone would tell me if that is the case, honestly, as it would probably help me to quit amps for good.

But then again, I wouldn't say using speed as a study aid is doomed to fail. I've been using almost daily for years, so much that I don't even remember what it was like to attend university classes without being on some kind of stimulant. I got my degrees, I haven't forgotten everything I've learned, and I'm getting very close to working in my chosen field... But using speed, regardless of its value as a study aid, is doomed to fail because it causes addiction, and once you've reached that point it is a long way to recovery - the depression and the lack of motivation can last for months, even years. That's when you seriously start wondering if you'll ever feel like yourself again.
 
^^ Yeah i started to notice that once you get past the amazing euphoria of amps like meth, you realize its very impractical for recreational usage. Thats why i found it very easy to manage and not escalate as long as you can stick to rec only since it means planning to loose multiple days and such and you start using less and less as soon as the novelty wears off.
Took me about 8 months though for that to happen, but my usage is still getting less frequent naturally instead of escalating and therefore i think my non functional rule has been very helpful (for me at least).
 
I think probably the most valuable usage of amphetamine lies in intellectual endeavors. Then comes other tasks which require advanced cognitive abilities such as combat.

Of course one with ADD/ADHD or those who aren't diagnosed yet have a deficiency of D1/D2 binding in the right regions of the brain will benefit from amphetamine when it comes to school. Others won't, or there will be a trade-off (whereby one becomes better at, say, speaking (verbal memory) at the cost of not remembering what one has read so well)). Such is the case with me when I'm not on any drugs. Due to my anti-psychotic regimen, I have essentially been manufactured to have some deficiencies associated with ADD/ADHD, so will probably benefit from stimulant therapy. Its good because it will give me something to do instead of street drugs (not trying to say the former is always better than the latter but when prescribed and moderated such is usually the case), will give me much-needed energy, and of course will help me with school.

I don't see much of a reason to quit amphetamine if it can be relatively easily acquired, its helping, and side effects aren't too bad. The same goes for most drugs in my opinion.

I do not follow when someone states that they can't be used recreationally. They certainly can and are.
 
You won't want to do things without it after a while because doing things and just generally functioning well is so easy with it. Personally, speed/study aids help me in almost every aspect of my life (from mood obviously, to things like my diet and self control). It's sad.
 
I think probably the most valuable usage of amphetamine lies in intellectual endeavors. Then comes other tasks which require advanced cognitive abilities such as combat.

This.
There are those who intend to use amphetamine for intellectual reasons, however spiral off into addiction. For the most part, I do not see many addicts take amphetamine to study or partake in art.
 
i wasnt being completely honest when i said i wanted it to study but i thought it would be easier to explain at the time tho in hindsight i should have just prob said my original intent.

i actually wanted to use it to pickup chicks cos it makes me super super horny and obv conversation and confidence flows like water but i think the same pitfalls are inherent in either endeavour when you are using it as a crutch.
 
^^ Lol wanting to use it for that is actually better imo. Refer to my mention of functional uses earlier. I would consider your goal more of a rec use at least in the way that the goal would likely only be actioned on weekends, perhaps 2 days a weeek and thus you begin with some element of control to usage only twice a week. Your other goal however can justify usage every day so its more risky.

I find the sexual deviant element from meth just to much to be honest. You go into animal mode. I haven't tried to pick up chicks one it yet but I would imagine cave manlike behavior such as knocking them unconscious to save time. Seriously though I could see bad sexual decisions being made on meth.

Then lastly if i did manage to secure another human I would imagine it would be uncomfortable for it to be jackhammered ruthlessly for 3 days while drowning in the pool of sweat you will quickly create. Its common to get lost in your head for hours so imagine suddenly "awaking" to find the battered and liquified body of somebody else underneath you. Not worth the clean up I say.

Plus meth confidence is over confidence. Feeling as if you are God and demanding that the lowly female mortal should kneel before you and beg that you bless her with your divine seed would likely make you look a bit arrogant in front of the ladies.

If i remember correctly, coke worked quite well for this, with the street quality being what it is, you tend not to get to high.
Even better, methcathinone lasts longer then coke and is very subtle, great for social and no determinable comedown, plus its likely to still be in effect when you get down to business later, and fortunately its much more mild and controlled.

Good luck.
 
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I think probably the most valuable usage of amphetamine lies in intellectual endeavors. .

Do you mean things like problem solving, creative writing, idea development etc?
For me those where some of the most useful things i got out of meth. While i used it rec only, I would still find pleasure in thinking through interesting ideas and concepts i find important.
I found the obsessive focus of meth really allowed you to flesh out ideas and analyze problems beyond the level a normal person would take it.
Logic based tasks work very well on meth and thus the creation and building of concepts works really well.
While much of the output can be trash, working through it sober can usually reveal something of use.
I found the access to your creative side specifically with writing was the most impressive aspect. Like fiction or writing with storytelling style.

Mundane functional tasks just never worked though, emails where massive, irrelevant, unprofessionally personalized. Day to day work and doing those repetitive tasks meth is known for was impossible. Anything boring was immediately rejected by the drug and I could never get anything like that done. But prob due to my dosages being very high. I don't see how others could clean their house. For me I would instead spread as much filth around as possible so as to rebel against anything constructive.

Anyways, if you can use it functionally but somehow limit it to 1 or 2 days a week then theoretically that should be fine. Something I will purposely plan to use it for in future on an as needed basis is writing long documents/books, complicated documentation or creative/idea/strategic level planning type stuff that required alot of careful thinking.

Anyways, so I admit it has amazingly functional performance enhancing properties but therein lies the danger specifically where it justifies daily use.
 
i really dont wanna rely on a drug for either work or play so i think im gonna boycott it for now.

well i am still interested in actually fuckign a girl and going out to pull chicks on small doses maybe- i would be taking 2-fma so its like normal speed without lasting too long, only 4 hours or so.

but ye like with the steroid analogy i want to be able to get girls consistently before i use it as in the past i tried using it as an escape for my sexually destitute life and just felt more of a loser when i came down and still with no girls. conversely with mepedrone i had been seeing a girl i felt like more of a champ when i took it then cos i already had a girl so it just made me appreciate it all the more as my mind raced at the things i could do to this actual real life girl :D.

i think to sum up speed will enhance your performance or at least perceived performance in whatever your doing which is what might be the lure of addiction for those who dont keep themselves in strict check.
 
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Why not look into the pick up artist shit and NLP. Its pretty cool and useful in all other aspects of life as well.

Or If all else fails you could always score some hypnotics and render them compliant to your demands.
Not really my area of strength though so just throwing ideas out there

The whole picking up chicks process is so tiresome to me. Getting high and looking at porn always seems far easier, cheaper, consistent and more rewarding.
Its no contest really
 
Haven't read any of the replies, but here is my .02 cents.

Sounds like your looking for an escape and something to "aid" you in doing task you find boring and mudane.
Few questions you need to ask youself..
What's your past drug use?
Extent of Amp. Abuse?

I've been prescribed 20mg IR x 3 times a day ever since entering college as a Biochemistry major (I dont have ADHD). It can be VERY destructive if you're very prone to addiction or have an addictive personality. I've battled opiate addiction and know the feeling...going through an entire script within a week and such. With Amp. Salts, the addiction potential is VERY high. However, that godlike feeling you're referring to disappears after continuous use, which in truth is a blessing. I use maybe 2 times a day and take 3 days off a week. You must be responsible with this drug or it will turn you upside down.

When I was first prescribed I LOVED the euphoria, the focus, the way you can communicate with people, etc. My first script I used 5 times a day for two weeks and was tweeked out. I knew I had to get myself on the right path or else it would be my demise. I decided to have my very trusted roommate dose me daily and after 2 weeks I was able to function properly on it, which took a lot of self control.

If you truely think you need it, be aware it's highly addicting. It can be a blessing or it can be your demise. If you don't think you need it and can go through your day without out, be real to yourself and DON'T USE. Once your used to this substance it will be very hard to get off and honestly, even though im successful and in my senior year, I wished I would have spent more time learning to study and achieve my goals through self sacrifice and commitment. This is not a pharm to take to stay consistently high. As stated, after a few weeks the euphoria will go away and no matter what the dosage, it will not return unless a decent tolerance break is in order.

As for your bodybuilding analogy, it is great for me to talk about. I'm an amateur bodybuilder myself and pay most of my schooling through modeling. I choose NOT to go the steroid route for many reasons, very similar to the advice I gave you above. At first, you will ballon up far beyond what you imagined, and that becomes a major addiction in that circle, creating an almost euphoric setting. (Just like the first few weeks or "honeymoon period" of using Amp Salts) Before long, you don't realize how big you are and are NEVER satisfied. You keep needing more and more of different kinds of steroids in order to grow, as you plateau majorly. Before long, you are using very large amounts simply to maintain your size. The top pros...ever hear off when they "come off" after a competition. I know a few IFBB competitors and have it on good hand that those weeks or months off they are taking ATLEAST 1-3g of testosterone and BP meds along with a few other goodies like muscle relaxers they can get there hands on. Their "trainers" and simply drug dealers with good connections. When in season they are blasting atleast 3g of test as a BASE and the mid teir guys buy whatever they can afford at the time, just like a recreational drug user. This will only lead to long lasting health effects.

So think deeply to yourself about a path you may be going on. It's your choice, and I respect your descision. I just hope you do what's best for you and stay safe, buddy.

-Spock
 
I do not become sexual on amphetamines.
Nor do I become excessively arrogant. (Maybe a little :P)
The fight or flight response has always been enough that I am triggered into a compulsive desire to accomplish something before the effects fade.
I do not understand men who become horny on meth.
I have had sex multiple times on it, however it is a spec of sand when compared the sex when GHB is combined.

I also do not understand the logic of smoking. You will not get anything done if you decide to smoke meth. It is too compulsive. The individual doses are not enough to keep you "medicated" for long enough to maintain focus. You will use more money. The crash is bad enough to make Darth Vader cry

Are you male? Sorry I couldnt tell from you post.

Meth in high dosages (which I have to do to finish it in time) pretty much ensures all i want to do is look at porn and jerk off. Its why its been really easy to slow down and eventually stop. Its pointless and disturbing doing that for days, never leaving the house or socializing on weekends. My doses are to high to be in public or socialize so i guess there isnt anything else to do sitting at home.

It was a amazing new experience, the duration and the sensitivity, but that wears of quick.

Its annoying because sober I am very much non sexual, have no sex drive due to ssris and could happily go without sex or stimulation for years if need be.
But not on meth.

I also dont want to be around people. Other people on meth seem like an annoyance. Like beasts on a different wavelenth who dont function on your level just lurking around and irritating you while you should be focusing on higher pursuits.

I do find im not arrogant though, I act in a way thats most beneficial to the situation. Meth you analyze and logically perform for best results i find whereas coke has the arrogance and emotional sillyness qualities.
I tend to be much friendlier and accommodating to others on meth as i guess this is most useful. Usually i dont like people or talking to them but meth makes them bearable lol.

With the stim sex thing, i have found specific consistent factors and positions that bypass/activate the vaso and sensory/tactile issues and im sure dependent on these factors is why certain people seem stuck with stim dick and cant make it work and others report amazing results. I actually wrote a whole thing up on that and training on how to get best results. Ill post it some day when i can accept the fact that this is what its come down to and im now that guy. *sigh*
 
Yeah, I'm a guy, lol.

I find other people a nuisance as well unless they are sober.

As for your bodybuilding analogy, it is great for me to talk about. I'm an amateur bodybuilder myself and pay most of my schooling through modeling. I choose NOT to go the steroid route for many reasons, very similar to the advice I gave you above. At first, you will ballon up far beyond what you imagined, and that becomes a major addiction in that circle, creating an almost euphoric setting. (Just like the first few weeks or "honeymoon period" of using Amp Salts) Before long, you don't realize how big you are and are NEVER satisfied. You keep needing more and more of different kinds of steroids in order to grow, as you plateau majorly. Before long, you are using very large amounts simply to maintain your size. The top pros...ever hear off when they "come off" after a competition. I know a few IFBB competitors and have it on good hand that those weeks or months off they are taking ATLEAST 1-3g of testosterone and BP meds along with a few other goodies like muscle relaxers they can get there hands on. Their "trainers" and simply drug dealers with good connections. When in season they are blasting atleast 3g of test as a BASE and the mid teir guys buy whatever they can afford at the time, just like a recreational drug user. This will only lead to long lasting health effects.

So think deeply to yourself about a path you may be going on. It's your choice, and I respect your descision. I just hope you do what's best for you and stay safe, buddy.

-Spock

Steroids and amphetamines are not alike at all despite how similar the detrimental effects may seem. Steroids are meant for a very very small minority of people in the world. They are meant to step beyond your natural limitations and achieve the best possible physique/athletic ability. They should only be used by someone who understands every side effect, precaution and health risk as well as somebody that has enough lifting/nutrition experience to go through any perceivable pain.

However, I do not believe in natural body building. I do believe in fitness physique modelling.
 
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Hey Envy,

I didn't mean to make steroids and amphetamines seem similar, besides the mental effects it has on the users, which truly are similar. I have a vast knowledge of current steroid use (know many IFBB competitors and own a supplement and wellness company) and if you would like to PM a further decision about our discrepancies and to clarify anything I would be more than happy to do so, don't want our communications coming off as futile.

I'm also interested in hearing why you do not believe in natural body building! Of course, friendly discussion is welcomed :)

-Spock

PS- I am NOT against steroid use what-so-ever. I agree they are only those use understand every side effect, precaution and health risk and somebody that has enough lifting/nutrition experience. Not the high-school football player who goes out and buys a pro-hormone with no knowledge of what he is putting into himself and the future harm hey may be doing to his body. I am a part time trainer to mediocore builders and some choose to use. I educate them in every way possible and give them reading material before I ever decide to work with them in that state.
 
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Envy,

Obviously because I'm still a "Greenlighter" I can't respond for 180 minutes, but have a great response coming your way!
/thread highjack.
 
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