There is probably thread like this somewhere already looked for something but im not thinking so straight. Been using opiates of many forms pretty much all forms just switching a lil over a year and half. Not gonna get into what started it right now but anyways...lately ive been trying to stick to pst..been taking that solely no other opiates for past months...i go without for about 12-16 hours sometimes. when it gets past that usually just get agitated bad anxiety and runny nose. about 24 hours today and I am in baad pain. my back is spasmsing harrd. my stomach cramps are so bad i have to bite a pillow and im sweating all over the place. feels like this shouldnt be happening at 24 hours...i stopped heroin for longer and this didnt happen for a couple days. Is this normal? Sorry for the lack of puntucation and probably dosnt make much sense just cant think straight at all...
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Is this withdrawl already?
- Thread starter codienne
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K...Now i think I might just be going crazy...I tried laying in bed. Just layed on my stomach and at first i got some vertigo..which is kinda normal for me so i didnt pay much attention but then it felt like...the only way i can describe it is black waves going over me..i cant really explain that part i just kept focusing on calming down and breathing then just a bunch of random images went thru my mind too fast to even grasp them....like a slideshow...have also had that before but this time...they were..different man theres really no way to explain this it was just fast and felt like i was falling into all of them..i know...i make no sense ha..but anways i tried to just go with it observe and let it go but all of a sudden i just flew out of bed like something scared me and i screamed lol...like something just jumped out at me...but i dont know wtf i was scared of i dont wanna go lay back down im scaring myself lol...wtf??
Pagey
Bluelight Crew
Sounds like withdrawal indeed. Your addiction might have gotten stronger since the last times you went without heroin for a bit, which would explain why it's more intense this time. The first few days are the hardest but it'll get better and easier to deal with after that.
(what's pst?)
(what's pst?)
its just poppy seed tea..and im pretty sure your right. stronger then i thought it would be for sure..didnt really take poppy seed tea too seriously just helped me stay away from other things but its a lot more powerfull then i thought im finding out pretty quick ha. Was going to go cold turkey...but I dont think its a good idea. Seems to be waves...Im okay for a bit thinkin Yeah I got this then 20 min later..I wanna scream and run to the nearest dealer of anything lol and each time is getting worse. think tapering is probably a better way..im gonna read some stuff on here about it. I think a big part of it is just fear of being without...Been through a lot I never had to fulllllly deal with in the past few years and i know its all gonna hit like bricks and im scared of the dissconection and im scared of the pain and im scared of not knoing wtf to do with myself...bla bla bla...But i realllly need to live..for real. Im just sick of this shit. One thing to another for tooo long. long as i can remember...so im scared lol and very babbly...i apologize lol
stardust.hero
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I would purchase Loperamide (Imodium) it is an opioid-receptor agonist and acts on the μ-opioid receptors similar to opiates. It cannot pass the blood brain barrier so it is ineffective for recreational use but in regards to opiate withdrawal it works wonders. It is intended for intestinal troubles so you will need to take more than the recommended dose on the back of the box to be effective against withdrawals. Take a little over the recommended dose (start at 12mgs at once) give it an hour and if you don't feel relief take 6~mgs more every hour until you begin to feel relief. 20mgs was usually the sweet spot but it is good to start low. When you find the effective dose repeat it when you begin to feel the symptoms returning.
Hmmm ok I will buy it but im not gonna start it yet. I want to taper a bit first..slowly so i might not need it riight now. im gonna hold out an hour then have a lil bit start some kinda taper schedual and then probably...increase the dose of loperamide as i take lower doses of pst. lots of baths and hot and cold compresses seem to be helping me a lil bit right now. and trying to just breathe through it acceptance i guess but i know thats not gonna be enough for long. I also take clonazepam i have a high tolerance but it seems to be helping a tiny bit..still coming in waves..starting to get really bad again now def feeling the nausea. might get some diphenhydramine for that too. Was thinking of going to the pool thought the hot tub might be good. Wondering about the sauna though...do you think that would help or just make me feel like shit lol?
Sepher
Bluelight Crew
Sure is withdrawal IMO. Little room for doubt with those symptoms given the timing almost a day after your last hit. It may that you've had very mild withdrawal in the past but thanks to kindling they are suddenly worse, very common is kindling or it may be more to do with the length of time you've been a daily user. Longer you're on an opiate the worse they become. Switching opiates makes little difference beyond how long the withdrawal will take depending on how short or long-acting the opiate is, and you can maintain a habit on quite low daily doses. Withdrawal does come in waves, with peaks and troughs all the way through. The jumpiness and anxiety is likely due to your noradrenaline going high rebounding now there's no opiate suppressing its production. Causes symptoms associated with the fight or flight response to stress, and converts to adrenochrome which is believed to have psychedelic properties, explains the spaced out feeling, imagery and unusual ideation you experienced. Clonidine will help with that if you can get hold of any.
I'm not familiar with the effects of PST so can't advise on how effective a taper will be. IDK but it may be better just to bite the bullet now. Stock up on the loperamide, should be quite helpful cutting the very worst symptoms to manageable levels, use the clonazepam for sleep only, see if that has more effect than dosing through the day with it which might diminish its effectiveness as a sleep aid and contribute to general lack of energy and demotivation, so long as you don't have an addiction to that also at this point. Don't use it for long. Week or so max if possible? Hot tubs / baths will help a lot, lavendar oil in a hot bath just before bed was a source of instant relief and a great aid to sleep for me. Try the sauna, might help relax the muscle spasms and cramps also for a little while if you can stand the heat.
Best of luck.
I'm not familiar with the effects of PST so can't advise on how effective a taper will be. IDK but it may be better just to bite the bullet now. Stock up on the loperamide, should be quite helpful cutting the very worst symptoms to manageable levels, use the clonazepam for sleep only, see if that has more effect than dosing through the day with it which might diminish its effectiveness as a sleep aid and contribute to general lack of energy and demotivation, so long as you don't have an addiction to that also at this point. Don't use it for long. Week or so max if possible? Hot tubs / baths will help a lot, lavendar oil in a hot bath just before bed was a source of instant relief and a great aid to sleep for me. Try the sauna, might help relax the muscle spasms and cramps also for a little while if you can stand the heat.
Best of luck.
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motherofearth
Bluelighter
From what I know of PST, it is ostensibly morphine. Therefor you should react to it much like a morphine w/d, which I find to be basically a heroin withdrawal. For me, those kick in in as little as 8 hours after my last dose.
If you have no access to prescription meds, then loperamide is your friend here.
If you have no access to prescription meds, then loperamide is your friend here.
Permanent Jones
Bluelighter
Hi Codienne,
Yes, a taper is a very good idea right now. In my experience, withdrawal is always grueling, and loperimide is useless except for curing diarrhea. However, whenever I've tapered, the tapering always helped to shorten the duration and severity of the RLS symptoms significantly. Also, if you can save up enough of your DOC, you'd be surprised how much relief a small mini-dose will bring you. You might even get some sleep. Hot baths are a Godsend, as well. Good luck, and try to curtail the suffering as much as possible. It seems that sometimes a withdrawal that's too painful can psychologically set a person up for a relapse. Just MHO.
Yes, a taper is a very good idea right now. In my experience, withdrawal is always grueling, and loperimide is useless except for curing diarrhea. However, whenever I've tapered, the tapering always helped to shorten the duration and severity of the RLS symptoms significantly. Also, if you can save up enough of your DOC, you'd be surprised how much relief a small mini-dose will bring you. You might even get some sleep. Hot baths are a Godsend, as well. Good luck, and try to curtail the suffering as much as possible. It seems that sometimes a withdrawal that's too painful can psychologically set a person up for a relapse. Just MHO.