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Is this what 'losing the magic' is? Need input from the EADD MDMA monsters....

SilentRoller

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After replying to a post in the Regional MDMA thread, it got me thinking about the talked about 'loss of magic' with MD. Basically, can any of the MDMA (ab)users shed some light on their experience with the drug after about 2-3 years of use.

What I have found with all of my MD experiences of the past year is that whilst it still gets me fucked "eye rolling, gurning etc) I have little no empathy and the desire to talk to people is not really there. I just end up going quite quiet and the couch with my eyes going everywhere. Now I am unsure if this is also because of high-dosing MDMA or because of the stuff that is around at the moment but it has nothing on my experience with the old Mortal Kombats/PartyFlocks where the empathy was almost sickening.

Furthermore, I had a MD experience not so long ago where the MDMA I dropped was so clearheaded (lack of eye wobbles etc) that I felt it wasn't working. This lead to me taking more, and acording to secondary sources I looked absolutely wiped dispite not feeling like I was (this is hard to explain, but I hope you understand). I had no idea it was possible for your eyes to roll about without you feeling like anything was happening!

Is this what losing the magic is, or is this what you should come to expect after a couple of years of using MD? Interestingly, the outcome doesn't seem to change regardless of the break taken (longest break was 8 months and my average is about 2-3months) so it leads me to believe that these results may be somewhat permanent.
 
Yes, yes it is.
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Very concise! I guess you could be right though. It's just you hear so much about the mongy "dutch md" around these days, and you start to think is it the MD that's causing it. Probably wishful thinking though!
 
Yup. Don't get me wrong, I'd still rather use it in a club over booze. It definitely feels more mongy, but that doesn't mean you can't feel satisfied on it.
 
Can't comment on 2-3 years use. I've been using it more like 25, the first 10 of which were pretty heavy and totally against what would be deemed sensible and safe practice. I still have a blast maybe 1-3 times a year.

In my opinion it's bollocks. No loss of 'magic', there never was any magic to lose its just chemistry plain and simple. The thing that goes missing over time is the novelty, the wonder that a little pill can make you feel like that.

I've had some great nights over the last five years but instead of 'wow this is amazing' its more like 'this is fucking excellent'. Last year we had one of the best nights ever - and that's some tough competition. Get the drugs, music and atmosphere right and its as good as ever. Maybe try candy/hippy flipping or touch of K just to change it up a little?
 
I am pretty sure the magic has gone for me. I get mashed but not loved up up anymore and I take more and more hoping I will feel even close to what I used to. I don't though, I just end up with enough MD in me to make me want to puke for a week.
 
There's something odd about MDMA. Whether there's so much poor quality crystal around that you don't get the best stuff very often or perhaps it is something that your brain adapts to. I've only had cracking effects from it once or twice in the last 4-5 years and that's only using it once/twice a year or so. Certainly taking it once a month - even the best quality stuff - is a waste of time.

Taking your LSD dose split 30 minutes apart however is more like the first time I ever took MDMA than MDMA is.
 
I lost the magic whenever I took it in the same setting repeatedly.

Save your next sesh for a music event that is going to be awesome, a beautiful location or a night in with a friend you know you'll be able to have honest and deep conversation with. Magic will return! (unless you already did it the night before or something).
 
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I lost the magic whenever I took it in the same setting repeatedly.

Save your next sesh for a music event that is going to be awesome, a beautiful location or a night in with a friend you know you'll be able to have honest and deep conversation with. Magic will return! (unless you already did it the night before or something).
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Still doesnt work. Really thinking of just calling it a day. Feel like sh1t this week.
 
It took me 5 years of persistant use before this happened. And now I just don't have the desire to do it often but 3-6months between use and the right batch of pills and it is back to honeymoon type effect :)
 
Firstly, everyone is different, so I'm not going to bang on like I do in the pill thread. I've been taking pills for 14 years, and they were almost always excellent MDMA/MDA pills, at first. I've taken between 1,000 and 1,500 pills. I was taking 1-8 pills, 1-4 times a week for four years, at one point. I found that MDMA did not work for me, unless I left it at least 48 hours between sessions. Excessive? Yes. Stupid? Possibly. Loss of magic? Nope. Then the drought came, and I had several years off, apart from the odd use of shitty 'MDMA'. When it came back on the scene, it was crap. Even people who were new to pills/MDMA weren't impressed. Maybe my abuse had fucked up my brain... Tried Dutch pills, tested as high doses of MDMA and was pretty gutted at the effects. I'd ruined my favourite drug. I was devastated. Except, I hadn't ruined anything. Started taking Manchester pills and things changed. I was suddenly feeling exactly how I used to. Yeah, I'm repeating stuff I've said in the pill thread, but it's the truth. One decent pill will get me just as fucked as my friends who are new to pills. Of course, they don't make me feel as amazing as my first few times, but it's still quite close. I'm not doing the whole new MDMA versus old MDMA shit in this thread, because I'd be repeating myself, but decent pills are still fucking unreal, even if I take them every week. If my level of abuse has still left me unable to feel the loved-up, euphoric, empathic feelings of MDMA, then it's hard to believe that other people have lost it. In my case, it's the MDMA, not me. It's been about a week since I had an amazing experience on pills, which ticked all the boxes, and it's because they were filled with decent MDMA. After 14 years of extremely heavy abuse, I feel fairly qualified to voice my opinion on the subject. I find it highly unlikely that MDMA will ever stop being my favourite drug.

OTW: Fuck off, eh? Maybe some people do lose the magic, but a lot of people definitely don't, so keep your cunty opinion to yourself.
 
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Don't you have a sandy vagina to douche or something treacle?

The bloke no longer finds pilling magical, hence he has lost the magic. It might be the synth, it might be his brain has desensitised or it might be growing up. Until someone provides us with double blind scientific experiments proving one or the other no one will agree.

Besides if you are taking up to 8 pills in a night your pills are shit, magic or not.
 
Sorry, the word 'douche' doesn't mean anything to me, because I'm not some spazzy American (sorry, Sadie).

A lot of the pills I took were lab tested and the results were posted on here. They were absolutely blinding, from the first pill onwards, I just liked getting to the point where I couldn't stand up and was babbling shit. You clearly were taking some American 'Pokeballs', or something else with 70mg of MDMA, whilst I was taking 150mg MDMA/MDA combos. Playstations, hearts, Mickey Mouses, there's too many to mention. They were all high quality pills, with decent amounts of active ingredients, and plenty of people on here will back me up. You are, once again, talking absolute shit.

Maybe he has lost the magic... I did start my last post with 'Firstly, everyone is different'. My bet is that a decent pill would provide acceptable effects. I'm not debating anything with you, because you're not even human. You're a pretentious, trolling piece of shit, and you don't even deserve AIDS, let alone my time. Now, fuck off and stop ruining EADD.
 
So you are saying that you needed 8x150mg (over a gram of MDMA),in a single night, yet you adamant you've never lost the magic? Or were these less than 80mg pills? (Which would be shit in any ones world)

Who is trolling now?
 
No, I'm saying I needed one, if you bother to read my posts. I just liked having all night sessions, where I couldn't string a sentence together. Like I said, plenty of other members will confirm that pills from the early 2000s were brilliant. It's not your business why I felt the need to take so many, but the fact they were £1-2 each may have had some something to do with it. People would buy ten for a weekend, and just take them all.
 
Dude I was there paying 2 for £5. I'm not debating if the pills were great in 1999, you said yourself you were boshing up to 8 a night, which is obviously more than anyone with a normal tolerance would need. It's a bit rich to say you never lost the magic when you still felt the need to ingest a gram a night
 
No, it's not 'a bit rich', 'dude'. I simply had access to a consistently high quality supply of pills, so I abused them, as did everyone else. Some people on here were dropping 16, for their 16th birthday, and 24 in 24 hours, just because we could. These days, I've not had more than four and a half in a night, because I don't feel the urge to be that spannered. It's also because I've not lost the magic, which is evident from what I've been saying about recent pills. Anyway, fuck off, you're a cunt.
 
Who the fuck needs 500mg to find their sweet spot?

Losing the magic doesn't mean you get no effects. Remember that first night when half a pill followed up a few hours later with the other half had you up chatting until the Sun came up? That was magic my friend, not necking half a gram and sweating bullets on a sofa while time stands still around you.

Name calling is the vestibule of the defeated.
 
Lovely to see you lads get on so well =D.

Just to clarify, I am not stating I get no effects from MDMA - I do (eye roll, gurn etc), but the urge to chat and tell people you love them just isn't there anymore. MDMA is still emjoyable. but its just not the same. For what it's worth, I have tried the Manchester crew pills too (UFO's) and the experience was largely the same apart from having more energy (due to the lower dose).

Furthermore, I was also given a selection a pills by a mate of mine that he had stashed from the early 90's (yellow Armanis). Whilst the roll was much more energetic and certainly less mongy that the MD of today, they still lacked empathy. Sure I was absolutely fucked and could barely see for eye wiggles but I just monged about drooling on myself.

Time will tell though. I'm dropping at a rave in 3 weeks with some friends I haven't seen in ages, so it will be interesting to see how setting affects the experience.

Oh, and Treacle? You seem like a sound bloke buddy but your past use of MDMA is verging on (what some would call) foolishly heavy. However, I am certainly not one to judge amd I'm not necessarily doubting your experience. I in fact have a mate who abuses MDMA weekly, sometimes multiple times a week in high doses (he consumed 5gs of MDMA at Reading Festival and almost died - I think he has a problem). However, even he tells me he still gets some effect from pills, but what that may be, I don't know. He does always appear fucked though, and even gets pupil dilation. However, he recently took a month break for the first time in years, and said that when he dropped again the experience was so much better. However he is now back to smashing it multiple times a week.

Still unsure as to how hardcore (idiotic) this guy is? Once during a session, he carried round a 1.5g rock of MDMA in his hand and basically nibbled on it constantly all night, whilst also taking pills (he had also got on it the night before). The rock was gone by the morning. Then he had to drive him and his 3 mates home, 5 hours up North. Having not slept from the session and feeling "a bit tired", he decides to drop his last Green Heineken (200mg pill) to keep him awake on the drive home.

Now THAT my friends is abuse.
 
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I think Treacles posts are pretty much spot on tbh - It was not about finding your sweet spot , it was taking stupid amount of MDMA because it was piss cheap and great fun (reckless, dangerous YES of course). I've been in the game a while and I still love MDMA <3.

I honestly think that 'magic' is subjective in this issue and I would never try to dictate to somebody what they were enjoying was not 'the magic' of a drug.
 
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