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Stimulants Is there no hope for me!?

^I mean, I was given a damn half-inch thick packet of things not to do if I decided to try it, but this doctor seemed to really believe in prescribing it!

I never took it, studied it or even heard stories about, so I have no idea......
 
BlueHues said:
^I mean, I was given a damn half-inch thick packet of things not to do if I decided to try it, but this doctor seemed to really believe in prescribing it!

I never took it, studied it or even heard stories about, so I have no idea......
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I have taken wellbutrin before. I'm not a tobacco/nicotine user at all, so it was ok for me. I quit taking it cold turkey and had no withdrawal symptoms after I stopped taking it. It wasn't as effective as an SSRI, but it still was slightly effective.

I'm not particularly for or against it, as I have no idea how it would effect other people. Also, it has a really wide bio-availability range (for animals apparently*) for oral use, meaning one person might get mild effects out of the same dosage that might be way too much for someone else.
 
All that comes to mind without a prescription would be caffeine, diet pills etc.. not much really.

You could ask your doctor about Wellbutrin..it's an cathinone or some shit (related to amphetamines) and it's given to alot of ex-coke and meth addicts.

I tried it for a week once myself, but it made me agitated and shit...i'm more of a downer guy myself though so that's probably why i didn't like it...besides the fact i hate psychiatric drugs.
 
Screw all this medicating crap...looool...not the way to go.
How about loneliness...feeling down, no energy...wanna end it all...no money, no job...I'm guessing loneliness is the big-hitter in all this...loneliness will break even the hardest criminals into compliance, when used as punishment.
Without some vision, we all lose hope, become tired, going down...can't see out...no vision means no drive...no point to even get out of bed...waking up is not welcome...etc etc...loneliness and lack of vision go hand in hand...medications will help with this...like maybe 10%...but not for long...
Hope you get well soon. Don't be living in loneliness. Find a vision...it will make your hearty beat faster, drive you to get out of bed...feeling good with every step you take to get closer...get involved...there are 1000s of kids going to hell today (not necessarily literally), and someone with your expertise can and will reach some of them, snatch them from their disastrous end...for example...
Best wishes.
 
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Derschieber said:
...get involved...there are 1000s of kids going to hell today (not necessarily literally)
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Not necessarily, but there is a small percentage of children descending into to hell on this VERY DAY?! And they're still living?!!

Whoa! Screw all this medicating crap indeed!!!
 
Yeah but I know how my mind works and if I had something like Ritalin that doesn't have abuse potential and even if it did it's not like I would abuse it I would use it specifically to focus and be a little motivated instead of saying fuck everything fuck bills fuck being an adult and dwell on my past. At least if I have a stimulant like Ritalin it would help me not think about using Meth. That's what I did before and quit using for 4 years when my doctor put me on Adderall and then I stopped taking Adderall and a year after that I fell back into Meth.. but I guarantee you if I would of stayed taking Adderall I wouldn't of relapsed. I would be content with taking Adderall when needed. And I know it's a son of a bitch to rely on things like that but it sure does help and I'm pretty certain I have ADD but I could be lying to myself but I know the shit works! Doesn't get me cracked out.. I don't act different. It's definitely not like Meth. Obviously when I'm using Meth I'm going behind my wifes back and jerking off looking at porn. Shutting everybody out.. and just losing myself. When I'm on any other stimulant even Adderall.. I'm just in a good mood and I feel normal, motivated. But to each his own!
 
Draven26 said:
What am I supposed to do though? Everything is better when you're on Meth. Everything like writing and working out.. you could get the body that you want in a matter of weeks and eat whatever you want and not have to worry about getting fat, lazy.. just motivation and happiness all around. Yeah I wish I hadn't used for ten years but I can't go back in time that's the fucked up part about it. And I can't find anything to replace it with or find something at least that is legal to take for energy.
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10 years? Daily use? Like I told you over in Healthy Living, your brain is almost definitely altered and it's going to take longer than 2 years for your brain to recover. If you're serious about staying off drugs and willing to put in the time & effort to improve your lifestyle, consider alternate day eating, i.e. fasting half the time. PM me if you're interested, or keep an eye on the HL forum, where I plan to start a thread about this diet/lifestyle.
 
Have you considered going to a dr and asking for Vyvanse and some blood work? I know it'll be expensive but at least you'll be back to what worked before. Amphetamines induce nearly permanent changes in the brain, so we don't know how well you can recover even if you remain abstinent.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
It is an antagonist at the same receptor that nicotine agonizes
Be safe guys. <3
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One of them; their are over ten sub-types of the nicotinic acetylcholline receptor; really fascinating. Good advice.

BlueHues said:
although, it's an MAOI so there's all sorts of foods and drugs that you can't consume while you're on it, thats why I refused to try it....
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As far as dietary restrictions go, selegiline is probably the most liberal, especially if one uses a transdermal patch. That said, as stated above it becomes dangerous in this respect at higher doses.

Captain.Heroin said:
I have taken wellbutrin before. I'm not a tobacco/nicotine user at all, so it was ok for me. I quit taking it cold turkey and had no withdrawal symptoms after I stopped taking it. It wasn't as effective as an SSRI, but it still was slightly effective.
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And just as well I had horrible withdrawal upon stopping, mostly mental, but that may have been because I was in need of it. I found it more effective than SSRIs, though slightly different. Everyone reacts at least slightly differently.

Epsilon Alpha said:
Have you considered going to a dr and asking for Vyvanse and some blood work? I know it'll be expensive but at least you'll be back to what worked before. Amphetamines induce nearly permanent changes in the brain, so we don't know how well you can recover even if you remain abstinent.
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Really? I thought at lowish doses ~20-40mg dextroamphetamine was fairly benign. And I would wager bupropion is a more safe bet if you're looking to stay off drugs; a lot of addicts when given a substitute just abuse that and/or keep on using. No offense, but just look at the people on this site who use suboxone or methadone to merely maintain when they have no heroin, then go back to using.
 
Epsilon Alpha said:
Have you considered going to a dr and asking for Vyvanse and some blood work? I know it'll be expensive but at least you'll be back to what worked before. Amphetamines induce nearly permanent changes in the brain, so we don't know how well you can recover even if you remain abstinent.
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Would they prescribe me Vyvanese if I had a drug history? Because my old doctor knows about my Meth use and I believe it's in the system. So what would I tell a different doctor to get him/her to prescribe me some Vyvanese? Or perhaps even some Focalin.. I heard that was a good one to help with focus/motivation!
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
One of them; their are over ten sub-types of the nicotinic acetylcholline receptor; really fascinating. Good advice.



As far as dietary restrictions go, selegiline is probably the most liberal, especially if one uses a transdermal patch. That said, as stated above it becomes dangerous in this respect at higher doses.



And just as well I had horrible withdrawal upon stopping, mostly mental, but that may have been because I was in need of it. I found it more effective than SSRIs, though slightly different. Everyone reacts at least slightly differently.



Really? I thought at lowish doses ~20-40mg dextroamphetamine was fairly benign. And I would wager bupropion is a more safe bet if you're looking to stay off drugs; a lot of addicts when given a substitute just abuse that and/or keep on using. No offense, but just look at the people on this site who use suboxone or methadone to merely maintain when they have no heroin, then go back to using.
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Okay what should I explain to a new doctor about bupropion and if one of my doctor already knows about my drug use will it be on the computer for all the other doctors to see? Do I tell them the truth and just tell them that I've used and I am just drained of energy and have no motivation. I am on a regular eating schedule and I push myself to go to the gym but my sleeping is out of wack and I sleep through alarms and all of that stuff? I'm lethargic to the point that I just don't want to do anything but sit in bed and think about going back to Meth.. it sucks! So yeah if medication will help I will definitely want to seek a doctor I just want to tell them the right thing so they prescribe me something that will help instead of going in there disappointed because they won't prescribe me shit! I've had that happen so many times!
 
Most likely any given psychiatrist you see has access to your previous psychiatrist's information on you, as well as all of the medications you've ever been prescribed; this is good, allowing them to treat you more effectively (and the ones who are open and honest about their habits and uses overwhelmingly have a greater chance of recovery). You simply need to be honest, no tricks, no vagueness, and tell them everything that's been happening to you. I think if you do this then you have a good chance of getting a medication which can best help you. Bupropion is great in this respect, as is Aripiprazole (Abilify), but I'm no doctor. Good luck.
 
So no one here thinks Selegeline plus PEA ( DLPA Phenylalanine ) will help with alertness and focus? It's tried by many bodybuilders and they all seem to like it. Any of you try this with results? What about Phenylpiracetam as a stimulant? How strong is that?
 
I am always hesitant to recommend MAOi anti-depressants as we are not qualified to make such assessments not knowing your medical history, any allergies or patient-specific information that a qualified healthcare provider would be able to help you with and have access to this critical information.

One of my friends has severe major depression that is unresponsive to most all medications except Selegeline, and he seems to swear by it. So Idk. But his body chemistry is not universally applicable to your situation or to anyone else reading this considering this.
 
Draven26 said:
That's what I did before and quit using for 4 years when my doctor put me on Adderall and then I stopped taking Adderall and a year after that I fell back into Meth.. but I guarantee you if I would of stayed taking Adderall I wouldn't of relapsed. I would be content with taking Adderall when needed.

Would they prescribe me Vyvanese if I had a drug history? Because my old doctor knows about my Meth use and I believe it's in the system. So what would I tell a different doctor to get him/her to prescribe me some Vyvanese? Or perhaps even some Focalin.. I heard that was a good one to help with focus/motivation!
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Well with your history of previous prescription stimulant use you might have a chance at some of the more abuse proof medications such as Vyvanse or Concerta, effectively you need to be honest with your current doctor and tell him your whole history, stress you want small prescriptions given out to also reduce your chance of abusing them. Effectively you may already be flagged as drug seeking, and being honest is the best way to deal with that. Also, ask about standard antidepressants and a blood check for biological causes of your fatigue.

It may take a while and some cash but its your best chance of finding either the biological cause of your fatigue or getting a legal way to combat it. To be honest I'm still leaning towards an endocrine cause of your fatigue, as the time period and your medication responses suggest something biological to me. If you get antidepressants/thyroid medication/hormones after your bloodwork however give them a shot for two months, I know several individuals who had great responses to them following cocaine addiction (antidepressants that is).
 
So I'm better off just looking online and ordering stimulants myself. Thanks! Not going to waste my time again with the fucking doctors.. it's pointless! I have a better chance helping myself than anyone else does.
 
Draven26 said:
So I'm better off just looking online and ordering stimulants myself. Thanks! Not going to waste my time again with the fucking doctors.. it's pointless! I have a better chance helping myself than anyone else does.
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Inb4relapse. For fucks sake man, we tell you the likely causes of your issues and ask you to get a test done to see if you can address them properly. Enjoy your heavy metal laced, halogenated Chinese "research chemicals"
 
I think everyone here is biased to be hopeful to the OP, for the HR sake of him not feeling bad about his future prospects. You don't want him to follow through and kill himself.

But as someone with amphetamine-induced permanent changes to my body, who knows a bit of neuroscience, I think it's irresponsible to give other bluelighters false optimism about his situation.

If it's been two years, you've experienced all the receptor upregulation you're going to experience. Furthermore, your brain isn't about to magically heal anything that hasn't gotten better in 2 years.

My assessment: Don't do meth, it can make you permanently have low energy, low esteem, and feel like shit. You might rather end up dead.

Not being pessimistic.

Just being real.

People need to be realistic about the dangers, and stop giving people like you false hope.
 
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