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is there anything you ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW?

It only sounds retarded because in our heads we look at willn't and say willent.
If you say willnt as one syllable it actually sounds ok.

Something else i have always wanted to know:

how does instinct work?

OHSHITANEAGLERUNLIKEFUCK! is builtin to little furry things... how?

Its pretty cool that somehow along the enough little things went "whats that*SPLAT*" that the "ohshitohshitohshitohshitOHSHIIIITTTT!"(tm) response started getting coded in from the start rather than having to watch several furry funerals to learn.

Wouldn't it be cool if we could program instainct into our kids.

*knock knock* "Hello my name is Kenneth and im a mormon" *PUNCH!*
 
^ you can...it's called conditioning ;)

i'd hazard a guess that instinct is the product of many generations of conditioning, that have got worked into genetics

or

to completely refute my own theory

it could also just be mass conditioning in every generation, communicated soon after birth by parents or other members of the species
 
I posted a thing in the Off-topic thread (the archived one) about the monkeys, banana and the electric shock, theory.

Worth a read, it's kinda related. :\

EDIT: Fuck I'm good, I just clicked a random page and it was on it! I rawk!

But yeah, it's touching on how MP said instinct maybe a product of generation after generation of conditioning.


About Corporate Culture
To demonstrate how powerful culture is, here’s a story about a research study that was done with monkeys.

Four monkeys were put into an observation room with one banana on the floor. The monkeys were wired so that the researchers could give each monkey a mild shock. When the first monkey approached the banana and tried to pick it up, he received a mild shock. When the second monkey approached the banana, the first monkey became very agitated and attempted to stop the second monkey from touching the banana. Any monkey who touched the banana received a mild shock. Suffice it to say that the monkeys learned very quickly that touching the banana was an unpleasant experience.

Now for the most interesting part of the story. One of the four original monkeys was then replaced with a new monkey. As this new monkey approached the banana, the other three became extremely agitated, and succeeded in stopping the new monkey from touching the banana. A short while later, one of the remaining three original monkeys was replaced with a new monkey. As this new monkey approached the banana, the other three monkeys, including the one who had just replaced the first monkey, became extremely agitated and stopped the new monkey from touching the banana. This replacement process continued until all of the original four monkeys had been replaced with new monkeys. None of these new monkeys would touch the banana, and whenever a new monkey came into the observation room, he was quickly taught not to touch the banana. In effect, none of the remaining monkeys understood what would happen if they touched the banana — they just knew that they should never touch it. These monkeys were living in a culture that forbade touching the banana. These monkeys were immersed in this culture, like fish in an ocean, and were completely unaware of the reasons for their behaviour. They simply did what the culture dictated.
 
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Basically there's a little floaty thing in your tank, which when it hits the bottom will trigger the light to go on. If the tank was always totally flat and never moved then the light coming on would mean you have no petrol left, but of course the tank is moving around which makes the petrol slosh all over the place. Which means if all the petrol sloshes to the other side of the tank then the light could be triggered, but then it could slosh back which raises the floaty thing again. So the answer to the question is "probably not much, but it's impossible to tell exactly".

I usually ignore the light anyway and fill up when I reach a certain number of km's which I know for sure my car can do even in the worst driving circumstances possible. Much safer that way. :)
 
Mary Poppins said:
it could also just be mass conditioning in every generation, communicated soon after birth by parents or other members of the species
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It's more likely in a strictly Dawinian sense that the animals that didn't go OHSHITFUCKANEAGLE got eaten leaving the ones that did, on a regular enough occasion that the genes for for OHSHITFUCKANEAGLE got passed on with more regularity than those that didn't.

Ooops Pl4yerOne already said that.

The thing that makes evolution a lot easier to comprehend is looking at in terms of how much time things like that take. Which is of course hard to do from our short perspective.
 
I'd say that's because without a mature enough brain at that age to learn and take on board complex conditioning, the only conditioning that is going to be observable from an outside perspective is that that has been inherited genetically.
 
Rubber_Duck said:
How much petrol or kilometers do you have when your car petrol light goes red.

All cars the same?
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What Pleo said, although the float doesn't actually have to hit the bottom of the tank, it just needs to sink below a certain level, which is slightly different for each model of float (and therefore car).
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When the float sinks enough the arm it is on triggers the switch that turns on your fuel light. (incidentaly, this is exactly how the float in your toilet cistern works to refill the reservoir).
Obviously how you drive affects how much distance you get out of the tank as well, but bearing that in mind, there is normally 2 different ways I check how much reserve I have when I get a new car.
1) Find out (by reading the manual, or looking it up) how big your tank is, then fill it up as soon as the light comes on. (Total Volume) - (Amount you put in from lights-on time) = (Reserve fuel).
2) Take a jerry can full of petrol, when the light comes on, reset your odometer/trip counter, and drive until you run out of go. *Note: this is not a good idea if your car has fuel injection, since running it completely dry can damage some components*

On the topic of Instinct, I'm inclined to agree with Lostpunk. I would think that the built-in reactions and instinct that keep animals alive (and breeding) would have been the traits that saw them prosper in evolutionary terms. So the automatic OHSHITANEAGLERUNLIKEFUCK! reaction is one that would have been genetically passed on by the few furry things clever/quick enough to actually learn this for themselves the first time.

I've read a bit of stuff on instinct in humans back in my psychology days. There is still quite a bit of debate as to whether humans actually display evidence of instinct at all, or whether all the reactions we put under this banner are actually just learned/conditioned responses.

One that is hard to argue that is learned however, is the built-in feeding reaction on a human baby. If you gently rub a new-borns cheek with a finger (or a nipple) it will automatically turn it's head to start feeding. This occurs before the baby would have had a chance to learn this response from it's current surroundings, so it MUST be genetically passed on. Not overly surprising since this is a crucial element to survival, which I would think would be the basis of most instinctive behaviour.
 
You could also always read the manual and finding out with that how much fuel is left when the light comes on...
easiest way really...

take note that running your tank to almost empty will stir up shit in the bottom of the tank when you refill and clog your filters
 
Pop Popavich said:
One that is hard to argue that is learned however, is the built-in feeding reaction on a human baby. If you gently rub a new-borns cheek with a finger (or a nipple) it will automatically turn it's head to start feeding. This occurs before the baby would have had a chance to learn this response from it's current surroundings, so it MUST be genetically passed on.
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And genetics are forever....

Excellent!!

i LOVE being able to blame my behaviour in genetics :) =D
 
and re: genetic transmission of stuff, if you grab a baby and hold it vertically with its feet barely touching the ground, itll start to 'walk' in mid air (with its toes scraping the ground). Very useful if you want to do a moonwalk impersonation.
 
This isn't entirely relevant to humans but on that point of feeding, there have been experiments done (and yes it sounds disgusting and abhorrent to me too) in which puppies with most of their brains removed will still feed when presented with a teet.

It's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that this may be something we share in common with most mammals, a trait left from a common ancestor. After all the most important thing for new born young to do is know how to and have an urge to feed.
 
^^ That's nasty as hell (interesting.... but nasty)

MoeBro said:
You could also always read the manual and finding out with that how much fuel is left when the light comes on...
easiest way really...
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Handy..... if your manual tells you. A lot that I have read don't tell you, they just say to fill up immediately when the light comes on. :\

And Duckboy, I plan to blame most of my behaviour over New Years on genetics. ;)
 
^Maybe in your little fatasy world, that might stand a chance of occuring.
Maybe.


...But in our little fantasy world, all the viewable nipples belong to delectable females, i'll have you know ;)
 
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