First off, I am not sure exactly where this thread should go, but this seemed like it may be the right place (apologize if its not).
I'll begin with a little bit about my friend and his experiences that have kept him from trying any other drugs. Not trying to blab on, but I figured the more information I give about him, his feelings, and experiences, the better advice and information I can get back for him in return.
Experience 1:
When my friend was in high-school, he had never drank, but wanted to try marijuana. Eventually he tried some with a couple of friends but didn't get high. So like any other young lad, the next time my friend tried some, he really went to town and ended up having a pretty horrible experience. It was as if one second he turned around and the world had changed. The change in the world wasn't what seemed so bad, but he said it was the insane ringing in his ears and the inability to keep any train of though. He had to climb through his friends bedroom window to sneak back into the house which he said he did not think was going to be possible from his inability to actually think.
This scared my friend as he had never experienced anything like this and anxiety/paranoia kicked in and the thought of "OMG am I going to die, this isn't right" came over him. He eventually calmed down A LITTLE, but just kept looking at the clock (which moved SO SLOWLY). He said he tried playing some video games to pass the time but was really unable to do so because he would forget he was even playing and then had to tell himself that he was playing every time this happened.
After a while he decided to try to relax and go to sleep. He said he knows this was only marijuana, but when he closed his eyes he seemed to have some CEVs. He isn't sure if this is the case as he knows marijuana isn't a hallucinogenic, so he could have just fallen asleep and not know and just be remembering something from his dreams. I think he said it was like a bunch of little clowns riding around on little scooters or something.
Experience 2:
You can imagine how my friend's first experience would scare a young lad from ever wanting to try marijuana again, luckily he was with good friends when he did try it the first time or he probably would have really freaked out.
After a while, my friend started thinking maybe he just tried to much for his first time and wanted to try it again even though he was a bit hesitant to do so.
So wouldn't you know it, my friend was hanging out with all his best friends one night and the opportunity to try it again was presented to him. He said he only took like two hits this time. He said the oncoming of the high was not as bad this time which helped him not freak out or become nervous of the sudden change. He didn't feel the need to check his heart rate to make sure he was ok (which he did last time). However, he said he still really hated the inability to hold any train of thought, and while he would laugh about it out-loud (not by choice, he assumed the affect of the drug), he did not like this at all. He explained that it was like he could only hear the person he was looking directly at even if someone was talking in his ear next to him.
Now although he didn't care at all for these characteristics, the experience was still more bearable than the first time so far.
A little bit later my friend and his buds all started walking down the street. At some point my friend said he couldn't see anymore, like everything had gone black or something. Everyone else was laughing (as they should have been) because he was bent down on the ground feeling the grass wondering why he could feel it but not see it. When his vision came back his friends laughed even more because he said everything was all monochrome looking. Now when he thinks back to it monochrome may have been a bit of an over-exaggeration at the time, but he explains it now like everything had a cool-colored-tone kind of like some movies are set too. A bit less color than normal and not as warm.
He said his second experience definitely had a lot more laughing and some fun, but he still wanted mainly for it to be over the whole time especially after the black-out and because of the inability to keep any train of thought and the bit of anxiety.
Experience 3:
After pretty much deciding to never smoke marijuana again, my friend went to college a few years later and had some friends that smoked pretty regularly.
One day after his car embarrassingly broke down when going through the drive-thru (bad alternator!) and he decided to smoke with his friend that had always asked him if he wanted to but he never took up on the offer.
This time he remembered the last two times so he only took a couple of hits. It seemed to take lil while for it to finally kick in. First in his feet then he said it was like he turned his head to look the other way and his world had changed. Nothing changed visually this time and nothing that scared him happened, but most of what he seemed to do was look at the clock to count down about how much longer the high would last, get frustrated and the inability to have any thought process, and also feel a bit of anxiety because of those to things. No one he was with could tell these things as he said he still laughed and acted as normal as possible, but overall he hated the experience and how big the change was since the change was in a bad way.
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Taking into consideration that my friend has always been intrigued by drugs and their effects/experiences (avid reader of Erowid since high school), do you think that there is any way he will like other drugs. He said he really wants to find a drug that he likes, even if just once, so that he can know that he liked something beyond the norm of everyday life before he dies. That being said, his three experiences with marijuana have made him really nervous to try anything since it seems like everyone treats marijuana as the beginners drug. If he absolutely hates and doesn't want to have to handle marijuanas effects for 3 hours, is there any way possible he would like, or hopefully love another substance? He's jealous that his friends have done shrooms a few times together and had the time of their lives!
The only thing he does now is drink, and the only other drugs ingested would be when prescribed vicodin (which didnt seem to do anything but make him sleep since he only took the recommended dosage).
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My friend has been telling me that lately he has been reading A LOT about MDMA, shrooms, and mescaline, and wants to try something else, but wants it to be something that has a good change of being a great experience and not a lousy one like marijuana was. He said he wants to feel the euphoria and have the experience that one can only only obtain by the use of a substance. He kind of always though the safest of the three he has been reading about was MDMA (in terms of experience), but is afraid of quality issues and not being able to actually tell the purity of it.
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Any suggestion or guidance for my friend? Is there hope for him? He would like to take care of this before he has any children if there might be!
Thanks everyone. I look forward to all of your input so that I can help my buddy out.
I'll begin with a little bit about my friend and his experiences that have kept him from trying any other drugs. Not trying to blab on, but I figured the more information I give about him, his feelings, and experiences, the better advice and information I can get back for him in return.
Experience 1:
When my friend was in high-school, he had never drank, but wanted to try marijuana. Eventually he tried some with a couple of friends but didn't get high. So like any other young lad, the next time my friend tried some, he really went to town and ended up having a pretty horrible experience. It was as if one second he turned around and the world had changed. The change in the world wasn't what seemed so bad, but he said it was the insane ringing in his ears and the inability to keep any train of though. He had to climb through his friends bedroom window to sneak back into the house which he said he did not think was going to be possible from his inability to actually think.
This scared my friend as he had never experienced anything like this and anxiety/paranoia kicked in and the thought of "OMG am I going to die, this isn't right" came over him. He eventually calmed down A LITTLE, but just kept looking at the clock (which moved SO SLOWLY). He said he tried playing some video games to pass the time but was really unable to do so because he would forget he was even playing and then had to tell himself that he was playing every time this happened.
After a while he decided to try to relax and go to sleep. He said he knows this was only marijuana, but when he closed his eyes he seemed to have some CEVs. He isn't sure if this is the case as he knows marijuana isn't a hallucinogenic, so he could have just fallen asleep and not know and just be remembering something from his dreams. I think he said it was like a bunch of little clowns riding around on little scooters or something.
Experience 2:
You can imagine how my friend's first experience would scare a young lad from ever wanting to try marijuana again, luckily he was with good friends when he did try it the first time or he probably would have really freaked out.
After a while, my friend started thinking maybe he just tried to much for his first time and wanted to try it again even though he was a bit hesitant to do so.
So wouldn't you know it, my friend was hanging out with all his best friends one night and the opportunity to try it again was presented to him. He said he only took like two hits this time. He said the oncoming of the high was not as bad this time which helped him not freak out or become nervous of the sudden change. He didn't feel the need to check his heart rate to make sure he was ok (which he did last time). However, he said he still really hated the inability to hold any train of thought, and while he would laugh about it out-loud (not by choice, he assumed the affect of the drug), he did not like this at all. He explained that it was like he could only hear the person he was looking directly at even if someone was talking in his ear next to him.
Now although he didn't care at all for these characteristics, the experience was still more bearable than the first time so far.
A little bit later my friend and his buds all started walking down the street. At some point my friend said he couldn't see anymore, like everything had gone black or something. Everyone else was laughing (as they should have been) because he was bent down on the ground feeling the grass wondering why he could feel it but not see it. When his vision came back his friends laughed even more because he said everything was all monochrome looking. Now when he thinks back to it monochrome may have been a bit of an over-exaggeration at the time, but he explains it now like everything had a cool-colored-tone kind of like some movies are set too. A bit less color than normal and not as warm.
He said his second experience definitely had a lot more laughing and some fun, but he still wanted mainly for it to be over the whole time especially after the black-out and because of the inability to keep any train of thought and the bit of anxiety.
Experience 3:
After pretty much deciding to never smoke marijuana again, my friend went to college a few years later and had some friends that smoked pretty regularly.
One day after his car embarrassingly broke down when going through the drive-thru (bad alternator!) and he decided to smoke with his friend that had always asked him if he wanted to but he never took up on the offer.
This time he remembered the last two times so he only took a couple of hits. It seemed to take lil while for it to finally kick in. First in his feet then he said it was like he turned his head to look the other way and his world had changed. Nothing changed visually this time and nothing that scared him happened, but most of what he seemed to do was look at the clock to count down about how much longer the high would last, get frustrated and the inability to have any thought process, and also feel a bit of anxiety because of those to things. No one he was with could tell these things as he said he still laughed and acted as normal as possible, but overall he hated the experience and how big the change was since the change was in a bad way.
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Taking into consideration that my friend has always been intrigued by drugs and their effects/experiences (avid reader of Erowid since high school), do you think that there is any way he will like other drugs. He said he really wants to find a drug that he likes, even if just once, so that he can know that he liked something beyond the norm of everyday life before he dies. That being said, his three experiences with marijuana have made him really nervous to try anything since it seems like everyone treats marijuana as the beginners drug. If he absolutely hates and doesn't want to have to handle marijuanas effects for 3 hours, is there any way possible he would like, or hopefully love another substance? He's jealous that his friends have done shrooms a few times together and had the time of their lives!
The only thing he does now is drink, and the only other drugs ingested would be when prescribed vicodin (which didnt seem to do anything but make him sleep since he only took the recommended dosage).
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My friend has been telling me that lately he has been reading A LOT about MDMA, shrooms, and mescaline, and wants to try something else, but wants it to be something that has a good change of being a great experience and not a lousy one like marijuana was. He said he wants to feel the euphoria and have the experience that one can only only obtain by the use of a substance. He kind of always though the safest of the three he has been reading about was MDMA (in terms of experience), but is afraid of quality issues and not being able to actually tell the purity of it.
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Any suggestion or guidance for my friend? Is there hope for him? He would like to take care of this before he has any children if there might be!
Thanks everyone. I look forward to all of your input so that I can help my buddy out.
