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is there a limit on how long a ketamine experience will last? + other questions

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this wasn't really covered in the faq, is there a certain limit you will stop feeling effects? for example 6 hours is apparently the max for mdma

im going to be doing it on the weekend and i don't want to k-hole, (from what ive read you need quite a bit to k-hole if your bumping it (which is what i'll be doing)) ill be using it in a club setting aswell so i'll be eyeballing each bump, is there a line i need to get to before i feel any effects?

if anything is wrong with this thread please let me know or just delete it, thank you
 
You'll start to feel effects from it right away. If you go on a good long k binge like I usually do (3 days doing bumps all day) then after the first day it's hard to get a good k hole. You usually just dissociate out with minimal visuals, and I've been never able to be blasted off into space after the first day.
Otherwise though the effects like the body high an stuff stay pretty good.
Take note as well that ketamine builds up a tolerance very fast.
If you want you can keep sniffing k and gettig dissociated as long as you have enough to keep up with your tolerance
 
Yes, well there is a threshold under which you won't feel any effects (that would be sub-threshold). Slightly above that threshold most people feel euphoric, energetic and even social, that would be sub-dissociative. Go higher, then you start feeling dissociated, go even higher and you gradually lose contact with the outside world slipping into a K-hole. Even higher there is blackout (i.e. anaesthesia or narcosis).

Ketamine is unlike MDMA, an MDMA experience changes in nature because you deplete stores of chemicals in your brain. If you keep going with MDMA there is less loved up effect and more stimulant effect.

Ketamine does not deplete chemicals in your brain, but it does cause tolerance like many other drugs. Meaning that you will gradually become less sensitive to the effects and need a larger dose to achieve the same level. If you are a beginner, that does not happen to an appreciable extent though you can get more used to the feelings as the experience progresses. Whether you build up tolerance fast depends on what you compare with. The tolerance at the beginning is minor compared to chronic tolerance.
Also, if you are avoiding K-holes you build up less tolerance because you are not taking that much.

If you want to avoid a K-hole during a long ketamine experience, you need to take small increments to make sure that you don't suddenly rise up too many levels in effect strength. Also you need to wait long enough in between 'bumps' to see where it takes you, again for the reason that accidentally taking way too much can cause you to become more dissociated than you like.
Ketamine is addictive and the effects at low doses can be inviting to see what higher doses are like. Try to remind yourself that unlike with something like MDMA, the euphoria and sociability is not dose-dependent in a linear fashion: it does not get better and better, instead it changes like I said.

It would be more ideal to test the effects at home so that you have a better idea of how to handle it in a club. Experimenting in a club like that is risky unless you keep a good grip on your boundaries. Which get loosened by certain other drugs like alcohol. (By the way alcohol & K make a lot of people vomit, avoid).

If you are familiar with DXMs different stages of effect, it is more like that than like MDMA.
 
So are you saying that for me my tolerance seems to rise so quickly because I've simply gotten so used to the ketamine high?
It seems after a day i don't get much more than wobbly, and when I get to the point where I should be k joking I usually just black out
 
That is basically another way of saying we can get tolerance for part of the effects, the interesting psychological effects and the novelty, but not other dissociative effects. If you can black out, clearly you are getting some of the effects. I am not saying that it is simply getting used to it, because it really seems like there are less interesting effects to appreciate after a while and it becomes more bland. It might have something to do with a frame of reference: if you get dissociated for a while you can forget what it is like not to be dissociated and much of the novelty could arise from the dramatic change in consciousness before you lose memory or reference of it.

It is important to note for this thread, because even if GACK experiences tolerance, that doesn't mean that he is at any less "risk" of getting dissociated. Therefore it is better and more simple to say that tolerance is very limited at first.

Also, HT you have not mentioned your history of dissociative use which is necessary to evaluate tolerance development.
 
alright thanks for the info, and will i be fine smoking bud when im coming down? ive smoked after mda and also 6-apb so i know not to panic because its amazing
 
Weed + dissociatives are notorious for causing anxiety.
Less on the comedown but if you're ripped and do a bump of k you get very fucking high, it kinda feels to me like a long way more uncomfortable nitrous high.
MDA and 6-apb are much different, blazing on those is amazing.
You could do it but blazing on mda is, as another user said, a + b; but on ketamine its like ab^a
 
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