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Is there a difference between Peyote and any other Psychoactive Cacti?

DiaLæT

DiaLæT

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The only reason I ask this is because Erowid has a different vault for Peyote, while also displaying a vault for cacti, both displayed on the front page, when they really could have just put the MESCALINE vault, wouldn't that make more sense??


Anyways, considering this, I was wondering if there actually is a difference. I have done pure mescaline in a capsule, and it was probably the most relaxing and well-handled trip I've ever had. I dunno if it was actually worth a full twenty bucks, but it was definitely worth MY twenty bucks.

As for peyote, I paid $20 for that crap, too, and I didn't feel anything. It might be because it took me an hour to drink the whole thing, but I felt nothing. I was disgusted by the taste, but when I look back on it, it shouldn't have been that hard to handle, I think I want to give it another shot and see if I can down it all easier. Then again, twenty bucks? I'd rather get the pure mescaline capsule.

That's why I ask you guys. Is there a difference that I'm not aware of yet? Should I give it another shot, or have I pretty much already seen it all with the pure mescaline?
 
How sure are you that you're getting pure mescaline capsules...? It IS technically possible but from what I've gathered pure mescaline is damn near impossible to find. Usually 2C-X-X or something sold as mescaline.

I do know that the mescaline concentration in cacti varies greatly, and sometimes you just don't get enough in your cactus-smoothie, haha. Also the long time to consume may have played its part.
 
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the main difference between peyote and other cacti is mescaline concentration. while other chemicals are involved in the trip the main chemical is mescaline.

it is highly unlikely that you took pure mescaline, as the other poster said, it is extremely rare, and several research chemicals are often sold as mescaline. if you got a white/off white powder its likely not mescaline.

also, you say you took peyote but also drank it... peyote is usually eaten as whole buttons, san pedro and such are drank (after being boiled down and filtered). from what you stated it sounds like you bought an extraction of san pedro or peruvian torch... but i cant say for sure obviously.

mescaline cacti can be an extremely rewarding trip, one of my best trips of all times was on 18 inches of san pedro cactus... dont count it out just yet...
 
I've known my psychedelic dealer since I was 13 years old. Out of all of the friends I have ever made in my entire lifetime, he is the nicest, most honest person I've ever met, and nothing has ever been more rewarding to me in my drug world than the moments I've spent with him. He is the type of person who talks down on chemical drugs and pharmaceutical highs whenever they're mentioned, purely for the health and safety of his friends, and always offers his customers to give him a call when they plan to trip so that he can take them on a hike and give them a really good trip specifically so that they walk away with a more positive view of their lives.

I would trust the guy with my life. If he says those capsules were pure mescaline, I believe him.
So good luck convincing me otherwise =P

Alright so based on what you guys just told me, it seems like I never actually did peyote. If you can just eat the buttons then those kids were probably full of shit and just sold me blended Peruvian Torch. Alright, well, thanks for your help you guys, much appreciated.
 
DiaLæT said:
Alright so based on what you guys just told me, it seems like I never actually did peyote. If you can just eat the buttons then those kids were probably full of shit and just sold me blended Peruvian Torch. Alright, well, thanks for your help you guys, much appreciated.
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You may e had Peyote but as an above poster said, alkald contents obviously vary so it is possible that you just had some poorly grown or just weak cacti but did you buy it already blended? If so, it would be impossible to say what you drank. It may have been Peyote, it may have been some other Cacti with zero alkaloid content.

Also, the pure Mescaline, we obviously can't say if it was pure or not. But if you say you trust your guy then you trust your guy. I am mega jealous though if it is pure Mescaline. It would be well worth the money paid imo I would by that shit by the KG :D
 
I have a couple very close, trusted dealers. But when it comes down to it, if a person doesn't know that something isn't mescaline, they can't exactly "be honest" about it. If he swears off chemical drugs for whatever reason I'd assume he doesn't know much about RC PEA's like the 2C's, and how they're often sold (falsely) as mescaline or a mescaline based ecstasy tablet.
 
How long did the trip last that was from the purported mescaline capsules? Because I don't know of any 2C-X that has the same duration and a DOX should have a couple characteristics that stand out as being different...

But maybe we're not here to investigate what it was you took, the original question regarding differences between cacti: yes its answered right, its the mescaline quantity and the other compounds in there that change the trip and modulate the action of the mescaline, sometimes without being psychoactive in their own right.

This site has the following to say:

It has been noted that the peyote experience is quantitatively somewhat different than that of pure mescaline, the former being more physical than the latter. This is due to several of the other alkaloids present in the cactus. These include: HORDENINE, N-METHYLMESCALINE, N-ACETYLMESCALINE, PELLOTINE, ANHALININE, ANHALONINE, ANHALIDNINE, ANHALONIDINE, ANHALAMINE, O-METHYLANHALONIDINE, TYRAMINE, and LOPHOPHORINE. Not all of these substances have psycho pharmacological activity when administered singly. Some of them in combination apparently potentiate the effects of the mescaline and definitely alter some of the characteristics of the experience.
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DiaLæT said:
I would trust the guy with my life. If he says those capsules were pure mescaline, I believe him.
So good luck convincing me otherwise =P
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It doesn't matter how "nice" or "honest" he is - it depends what he knows about mescaline. Maybe someone else conned him and told him they were mescaline. No-one is going to sell "pure" mescaline for $20 a time.

What colour was this "mescaline" and how much of it was there?
 
yeah, size is the usual giveaway somethings not really mescaline. you'd have to have an 00 gelcap absolutely chock full, maybe even 2 to get much above threshold. Though from how this dealer is described, he may well have extracted san pedro or peruvian torch himself. However, in this case, he would have also extracted any similar alkaloids, so it would not be "pure" mescaline. Though personally I wouldn't mind having a few extra cactus alkaloids in my mescaline capsules

As for the different cacti, even different specimens within the same species are going to vary quite a bit, due to many things including growing conditions, age, heritability... so they're all at least somewhat different, and moreso between species. Also, though there are many alkaloids in various cacti, mescaline is responsible for the bulk of the subjective effects. This isn't to say other phenethylamines & intermediaries don't color the experience somewhat, but i'd speculate many of them are present well below the dose necessary for threshold effects, but as for synergy with other compounds... who knows
 
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Huge difference. Peyote has isoquinoline alkaloids present which increase nausea and facial flushing (and prob have some impact on psychological effects). With san pedro & peruvian torch the minor al;kaloids are PEA's not isoqinolines.

All plant sources feel different in their trip to pure synthetic mescaline (well IMO)


He is the type of person who talks down on chemical drugs and pharmaceutical highs whenever they're mentioned, purely for the health and safety of his friends
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Well all drugs are chemicals, just because they're found in plants doesn't mean they're safer (that seems to be a common piece of new age bollocks IMO). After the above statement, I'd have little faith in his certainty that they were mescaline capsules
 
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san pedro tea gives me a way speedier high, and a lot more body load/restlessness, especially in the shoulders/neck area.

I can't compare with other cactus, as i've never used any others, but the pedro-tea high is way different than extracted and purified mescaline.(and even then, there are probably a small amount of other alkaloids in an extract)
 
Never had a full dose of peyote, but did eat a big button with some san pedro and it was different to san pedro alone - further removed from synthetic mescaline, so yes I'd say san pedro is closer to pure mescaline, but as an analogy, London is closer to New York than Berlin, but both are a fair distance away!
 
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Well all drugs are chemicals, just because they're found in plants doesn't mean they're safer (that seems to be a common piece of new age bollocks IMO). After the above statement, I'd have little faith in his certainty that they were mescaline capsules
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Sorry, i meant SYNTHETIC drugs, not chemical drugs, all drugs are chemical obviously. He says that any high that's inseparable with physical body damage should be straight up avoided. he's a wise one, always brings my spirits up, every time i see him.


alright, the pure mescaline, was in a capsule about 3/4 of an inch big, and it looked kinda like 5-HTP, only a little grayer. and the capsule was completely full.
 
sounds like mescaline to me. Dont worry, these guys are all just jealous they dont have mescaline hookups.
 
I'd take synthetic LSD over natural scopolamine any day!

And what I mean by that is your buddy sounds nice, but not necessarily completely wise about drugs. Many synthetics are much better for you than naturals. Even if a synthetic drug is made with some impurity, I liken that to a plant with many different alkaloids. Neither is pure.

Take for example synthetic mescaline. It could be synthesized 95% pure with 5% impurity. Now take a peyote plant. That has natural mescaline plus god knows what percentage of other chemicals, or "impurity". Even if you extract the mescaline, it will usually have a higher percentage of impurity from other alkaloids compared to a synthesis.

The point? Natural does not mean better than synthetic. Which leads me to believe that al though your friend sounds like a great person, he seems to have the misconception that natural chemicals are better than synthetic chemicals, which means he may have a misconception that some 2C-x drug was actually "pure" mescaline. And by "pure" mescaline does he mean synthetic mescaline? Cuz that seems to go against his preference for naturals over synthetics... See what I'm saying?

2C-x drugs are often sold as mescaline or as analogs of mescaline. Unless he extracted the mescaline himself, synthetic mescaline, or pure mescaline is extremely rare. If he did extract the mescaline it would probably be much less pure than synthetic mescaline and you'd probably need a couple gels filled. Don't mean to bust your bubble or anything, but pure mescaline is just highly unlikely is all!
 
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