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Is the problem with drugs or "irresponsible drug use"?

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I think about how many people say that alcohol makes them more violent and feel worse but then I hear about them drinking until they vomit and I have to wonder, if responsible drinking were to be encouraged in our society, would we get less bad incidents on alcohol and other drugs? It seems that with society, it's a "black and white" divide. Avoid alcohol at all costs or drink till you fall over.
 
its not the drug its irresponsible drug use. but the drugs do open a (For most) unresistable channel for this irresponsibility. but they can't be to blame or else we never actually face the real issue.
 
100% responsible drug use. Like the above poster mentioned however, responsible drug use is highly unlikely. Logically the only way to help those odds are to get harm reduction involved on a societal scale and more widely accepted.

It will most likely take decades judging by our current state.
 
I think with alcohol, look at how drinking in Europe is handled. In some countries over there, wine is consumed by underage folks all the time.
Even though it's with their meals for the most part. Therefore removing any stigma which could otherwise be attached to the drinking. Basically it's just part of their meals all the time.

In the US, underage folks are constantly bombarded with messages about how they can't drink until they're 21 and even though many do so anyway, they feel like they're sneaking around. So, they tend to go overboard and by the time they reach legal age, the damage psychologically has already been done. Not only is the age thing a black and white deal, you're either legal or you're not. But, like another poster pointed out, so becomes the drinking. Not to go off on a drug use tangent but drug use in the States is sort of in the same ballpark. Curious what others think on the topic.
 
BeachBum4u said:
I think with alcohol, look at how drinking in Europe is handled. In some countries over there, wine is consumed by underage folks all the time.
Even though it's with their meals for the most part. Therefore removing any stigma which could otherwise be attached to the drinking. Basically it's just part of their meals all the time.

In the US, underage folks are constantly bombarded with messages about how they can't drink until they're 21 and even though many do so anyway, they feel like they're sneaking around. So, they tend to go overboard and by the time they reach legal age, the damage psychologically has already been done. Not only is the age thing a black and white deal, you're either legal or you're not. But, like another poster pointed out, so becomes the drinking. Not to go off on a drug use tangent but drug use in the States is sort of in the same ballpark. Curious what others think on the topic.
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This is the precise argument I use when having this debate with anyone. Europeans never created a bad stigma for alcohol and associated it with positive family culture. In America it's taboo, and we all know how most people view taboos. As challenges.
 
Definitely there are cultures that use alcohol more responsibly, and yeah, I'd say definitely irresponsible drug use is the problem. But then, just to play devil's advocate, a similar argument that it's not drugs that are the problem, but the people who use them could be applied to arguments about gun control in America, and I'd bet many people would have a different opinion about that.

Generally speaking though I think that education about responsible use is key to reducing incidents of irresponsible drug use. In an ideal world, nothing would be prohibited and our global culture would be evolved enough that undesirable incidents involving drugs were so rare as to be almost nonexistent, because everyone would understand how to be responsible, and want to be responsible. I recognise however that the transition period may require some control of certain substances for the short term... but definitely still miles away from today's nonsensical, destructive mantra of total prohibition.
 
BeachBum4u said:
I think with alcohol, look at how drinking in Europe is handled. In some countries over there, wine is consumed by underage folks all the time.
Even though it's with their meals for the most part. Therefore removing any stigma which could otherwise be attached to the drinking. Basically it's just part of their meals all the time.

In the US, underage folks are constantly bombarded with messages about how they can't drink until they're 21 and even though many do so anyway, they feel like they're sneaking around. So, they tend to go overboard and by the time they reach legal age, the damage psychologically has already been done. Not only is the age thing a black and white deal, you're either legal or you're not. But, like another poster pointed out, so becomes the drinking. Not to go off on a drug use tangent but drug use in the States is sort of in the same ballpark. Curious what others think on the topic.
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I was watching a show talking about how drinking is illegal in certain native American townships/reservations in the US. It's illegal under native laws and I'm pretty sure ppl get arrested over it from the show I saw.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
I was watching a show talking about how drinking is illegal in certain native American townships/reservations in the US. It's illegal under native laws and I'm pretty sure ppl get arrested over it from the show I saw.
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It's a huge problem with many native Alaskans and even though it's basically a banned drug, they arrest folks all the freaking time up there. There's a huge bootleg market with major big time markups. They even get so desperate they resort to drinking hair care products with alcohol in them. Super nasty stuff!
 
i don't think there will ever be fully responsible drug use, that is impossible. people behave differently and not everybody can act teh right way
 
There are a few problems: prohibition, lack of accurate drug information, mental illness and addiction...

Humans have always used drugs and always will.
 
I can only speak for myself but alcohol is like coke to me. Take a few shots feel great but as soon as blood alcohol starts dropping (30 minutes) I feel like shit and need to drink more. I also don't pass out ever I can easily stay up all night drinking.

And I can not drink responsibly. If I have a shot it's off to the races. I'm sure I could have 2 drinks if there was money on the table, like 2 drinks and stop I get $100. In general I'd prefer fist fights to a single shot. (I don't enjoy fighting and try to avoid it.)

I don't drink at all now because with the amount of alcohol involved the hangovers fucking suck.
 
treezy z said:
I can only speak for myself but alcohol is like coke to me. Take a few shots feel great but as soon as blood alcohol starts dropping (30 minutes) I feel like shit and need to drink more. I also don't pass out ever I can easily stay up all night drinking.

And I can not drink responsibly. If I have a shot it's off to the races. I'm sure I could have 2 drinks if there was money on the table, like 2 drinks and stop I get $100. In general I'd prefer fist fights to a single shot. (I don't enjoy fighting and try to avoid it.)

I don't drink at all now because with the amount of alcohol involved the hangovers fucking suck.
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Yep, I get it! It's the classic "one's too many and a thousand isn't enough".
 
Irresponsible drug use but that could be caused by the lack of knowledge/information available to a person, lack of experience with using, stress, etc. I'm usually pretty responsible until I get overly stressed then all my cares go out the door and i just wanna keep getting high and make excuses as to why I should be high at so and so time and using more potent roas at higher doses. But when that happens, just make note of it, quit what I'm doing, take a nap and eat, then do something else.
Also, obviously not all drugs are for every person and depending of the person, they react differently whether good or bad. However I have known many people who knew whenever they used a certain thing that nothing ever good came from it, however, they would continue giving it more chances and trying it again to see.
 
I dont want to go on the drug side of things but when it comes to alcohol, you as the consumer should know yourself and the person you become once you started drinking. And if you not sure the person you become then just ask everyone around you then.
 
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