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Is the E-Z 2 kit the same as the E-Z Supreme?

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I've been looking for the E-Z 2 testing kit, the one that tells the difference between MDMA and MDA along with testing for ketamine, but have only found the E-Z supreme kit. Is it the same thing? Because i know i have seen a kit that say E-Z 2 on it but i lost the url for it. Any help or a url would be helpful. Thanks.
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The ez test won't catch pma+mda or pmma+mdma mix will it?
Don't be too quick to dismiss this as unlikely either, if some sources for grey market sasafrass start "cutting" with anise it's more likely to be pma+mda and pmma+mdma then a primary and secondary amine mix.
 
Saw one today. Its not the same as chem gen's E2 - there is more than one testing reagent and will identify rather well between amph/methamph and MDA/MDMA. ie no colour reaction vs a colour reaction.
 
The EZ-Test Supreme is used to detect secondary amines, and substances such as MDMA, MDEA, and Methamphetamine all have secondary amines.
MDA, and Amphetamine do not.
The resulting blue colour will be the same for any substance with a secondary amine.
As for the detection of a PMA/PMMA + MDMA type combination, it certainly would give an MDMA type reaction to the EZ-Test, and a blue reaction to the EZ-Test Supreme, without any idea that a secondary substance (PMA or PMMA) is present in the pill.
However, the combination would NOT show up as MDMA on the E2, and although I can't begin to suggest exactly how it would look, it would definitely show Purple-Black for MDMA, plus there would obviously be PMA colours as well (Green -> Red -> Brown).
TheGamer
 
EZ Supreme is an add-on to EZ Test.
We know about the primary/secondary amine issue.
EZ Supreme should be used to narrow down a test result. If it goes darkblue, it is MDMA (or MDEA but MDEA is really rare at the moment). If not to darkblue, it is MDA.
We know that PMA/PMMA is being mixed with MDXX for some strange reason by manufacturers (people who do this must be really EVIL and UGLY). We are working on something for PMA. However, PMMA seems hard to detect (impossible ?).
Anyway, what we have now is always better than nothing. Suggestions from a chemical point of view are welcome.
aj
 
As for the detection of a PMA/PMMA + MDMA type combination, it certainly would give an MDMA type reaction to the EZ-Test, and a blue reaction to the EZ-Test Supreme, without any idea that a secondary substance (PMA or PMMA) is present in the pill.
However, the combination would NOT show up as MDMA on the E2, and although I can't begin to suggest exactly how it would look, it would definitely show Purple-Black for MDMA, plus there would obviously be PMA colours as well (Green -> Red -> Brown).
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Why do you say pma/pmma + mdma? That's probally not as likely to happen as just pmma and mdma. And pmma doesn't mean imply pma has to be in a pill.
If sassafrass oil is being "cut" with anise, and I can think of nothing else that would work as well to mix with it, then whatever md type drug is in the final product will be the same as pm type drug. So not being able to detect pmma+mdma or mda+pma is a serious issue.
 
Quirks:
My point was simply that given the known reactions for a reagent, they stop at individual compounds, and not with combinations. By saying PMA/PMMA + MDMA I was meaning (PMA OR PMA) AND MDMA
That said, it would be very obvious that a sample containing both substances would not provide a "correct" result for any of the substances it contains, thus indicating a mixture.
I can't think of a known forensic reagent that could solve this one.
TheGamer
[This message has been edited by TheGamer (edited 11 July 2001).]
 
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