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is suicide the answer?

lemongaga

lemongaga

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this is not a threat .. I'm just reading up on the news about a film director who recently took a fatal jump off a bridge... Are people feeling more hopeless than in previous times or is it just that access to information is more prevalent? I guess it doesn't matter because there doesn't seem to be any control in the matter... When I was a kid, I NEVER heard about other children killing themselves unless it was some fabricated chain letter created by someone practicing mind control... Have 8 years old been hanging themselves for centuries and I'm just missing something? YES i'm depressed and often think about dying.. YES I consider those who get it over with brave, but that doesn't take away any of the horror from it all. I'm posting this in drug discussion because I'm wondering if moderate-heavy users have destroyed the parts of the brain that will ever receive any sort of pure bliss... not saying awareness of a high trumps anything natural because of the euphoria---but simply that it jacks something up in the mind? i think i might be kind of drunk.. I hope someone figures me. well honestly i dont care.. but why is everyone killing themselves? Is it becoming an epidemic or has it always been like this? I want some information..and please, no be nice in your response.. I'm seeking information.. that's all.

edit: meant to say someone forgives me...was going to fix it. but i like someone figuring me better. <3 -_- =) xFuck

I forgot my main point: is suicide really the own cure to endless suffering with a person who is experiencing chronic distress (whether it be physical, mental, spiritual) ? Are they supposed to stick around and deal with an agonizing reality that would be unbearable to any of the "professionals" they can reach? If someone has tried everything and it's becoming obvious they are falling into a statistic of a zombie walking into a wall over and over again until they hit it hard enough to die...what is the point? This doesn't have anything to do with me.. I'm just looking for opinions I guess...
 
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i have no idea. i'd just say, that most people will never experience the mindset of someone who commits suicide. and that is really hard to comprehend, it's not an easy place to get to, get out of.

drugs don't help, but IMO those who i can see are fucked mentally are too fucking egotistical to seek help, but see no problem using illegal drugs as a band aid.
 
It is a good thing to think about death. It has helped me to let go when someone beloved dies.

Suicide is not an option for me.
In times things get really really bad, I keep telling myself over and over again: Time slowly heals and it will get better, it always has and it will do so again.
Works for me.
There are wounds that are impossible to heal, but over time you will likely learn to life with the pain and adjust to it.
You will never know if you don't try it.
Bad times are an important part of everybodies life, you're not alone.
If you don't know bad times, you wouldn't notice when times are good.
 
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I don't think there's been a particular increase in the number of suicides, more that it's so much more documented nowadays..Whether or not that's a good thing is another matter.
I tried to commit suicide a few months ago because I was asking myself the same questions as you and decided it was indeed the only answer - the only way to make things stop. I still think about it a lot, and think about trying it again, but all in all I think I'm glad I survived because I've been able to enjoy things once in a while since; and I think no matter how distressed a person is, if they can occasionally get any sort of minuscule amount of pleasure, then it's worth living. Even if they don't think they'll ever get any, you never really know what the future contains I guess so it's worth sticking around just in case...
 
I think its a choice and if you want to do it you should be allowed to do it the fact that suicide is illegal is a joke in my eyes at least. I have heard of people killing themselves as long as I have been around.. though im only 28. I think that drugs do fuck your brain up essp some drugs. I think once you have reached a high that becomes your expectation of what good feels like and its impossible to compare sober feeling good compared to certain drug combinations.
Once you have a taste of grey goose vodka its hard to drink the cheap shit. Or if you drink coke and then try a RC cola its going to taste like shit.

The problem is a little bit of drugs makes life better, to much drugs ruins your life, it gives you insane expectations of what feeling good is and you never get it back again.

Nothing wrong with ending ones life. Sometimes its a better choice. Like if your in the hospital costing your family money , and there watching you slowly die a horrible painful death I think suicide might be a better way to deal with things then hanging on suffering every day on and on.

However I think some people are just wusses there lifes are not that bad but there so over dramatic that they think suicide is some kind of way to pay someone back or that its some super awesome beautiful way of doing things and I think movies make people think its some special over dramatic way to die and really in the end you shit your self and lay in a puddle of filth and blood that someone else has to come and clean up.

though jumping of a bridge or building might be a better way to do it though your still leaving a mess for someone else to clean up.
 
not only is the information more prevalent, but if you think about it, the worlds population is growing exponentially. therefore, you are going to end up with more people who commit suicide... its a simple statistical fact.
 
Have you ever considered that existence itself is a temporary problem? Well you could say it's permanent, because anything outside of the bounds of your existence will be irrelevant, and since you exist for as long as you exist, you may as well call existence permanent (irrespective of the external world)
That suicide is a means of shortening the wait for the impending solution (death)
The answer to what exactly? What is the question? Death will end suffering, as well as any possibilities of anything.
 
I think death itself is a very cool idea to include if you were designing a system of rules or natural laws for a game of sentient existence, it's the one thing that gives us permission to have fun, to let go, to not cling to anything, to not become stuck, because you can't hold on to life, it just can't be done, so the problem is solved for us by nature itself.
 
Death is not what allows us to have fun, directly. Impersonally, death creates life, as life feeds on death. Life is what allows anything, if I weren't alive I wouldn't be able to have fun. I would say I can't cling to anything, but energy does that. I as a conscious being, I as everything I know myself to be, are no longer. Molecules and energy and preservation and blah blah blah.
I reiterate, you've confused life and death in your perception of what your personal experience of both scenarios permits and inspires.
 
Sometimes it's the solution to a permanent problem. There have been reports (unconfirmed at this time, and disputed by some) that Scott had inoperable brain cancer. If that turns out to be the case, his actions are perfectly understandable - even reasonable.

I've dealt with depression throughout my life. I understand the impulse. Mental pain can be as real and as unescapable as physical pain.
 
You know, I truly believe that a drug addiction leaves you in a state of not being able to feel happiness or positive emotions on your own. You have basically bought yourself time with the drug, inducing artificial feelings of happiness, but everything that is artificially inflated and taken up, will surely go down and deflate when the source of artifice is gone.

What you are feeling is completely normal buddy. I get it too.

EDIT: shite, just realized I went O/T as I only skimmed your post briefly. I'll leave the post though as anything with the word "suicide" is best addressed with positivity :)
 
Realistically organic depression has virtually zero treatment options so in theory unless someone wants either A. endless substance usage B. suffering for the rest of their life or C. suicide. That's the sad facts. As someone who was suicidal at a young age due to chronic physical, emotional, and verbal abuse I thought it was the only way out so I attempted suicide but me being only 8 years old didn't devise a good noose and it failed and here I am today. I'm thankful to have a chance at life now. If anything homicide is more of an answer than suicide to me.
 
I love how disturbed people get over the issue of suicide. Whilst we're here debating it multiple children have passed away in absolute agony in Africa some place.. some child probably got run over some place too. I mean really we're already dead so one could say we were never really living in the first place. The only people who have trouble with the issue of suicide are those who don't really understand life, and the tax man.

And sometimes life just isn't worth living. I think a lot of children are picking this up in our modern age, given that suicide is in the top 3 leading causes of death of youngsters. And is it really so hard to see why? We live in a completely perverted and failing world, there's a lack of natural places for kids to play and explore (not to mention anal parents who won't let them outside cos its dangerous), and there's no real hope for the future because it is evident our leaders of our society don't give a fuck about us peasants. I remember realizing this at around 16 and I haven't been the same since. I have 2 reasons why I'm still here.. the first is to see if something happens in 2012, the other is to find out who I am. For me there really is no other reason to be alive.. sleepwalking for 50 years is not what I had in mind.
 
study on overpopulation:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf
my interpretation:
too many people in this world for us to live happily, all our social interactions become impersonal because there are too many interactions in one day. while it can be seen as an almost unlimited amount of people to practice social skills on, most people dont feel this way so they blow you off because they already have enough social interaction in their lives. its become quantity over quality. maybe we should have some kind of regulations on child birth, like the way china taxes families with more than one child, instead of how here in the usa our government gives out money for every child you have, even though people go and have children just for the free money. children get neglected and the cycle of negativity continues (along with contributing to the overpopulation problem). why doesnt the government give out free birth control?

with a higher population, it becomes harder and harder for people to understand that all their actions have reactions, even the smallest gesture such as a smile can change everything; can keep someone from killing themselves or shooting up a school. likewise, throwing up the middle finger can be the last straw for someone, and maybe they turn around and kick your ass into a coma. i realize these are extremes, but extremes do happen sometimes.

for every cause there is an effect. suicide is a touchy subject because its so easy for us to say lets make euthanasia legal to ease our suffering and reduce our population. the problem with suicide is that since its such a massive cause, it can have massive effects. what if suicide becomes a trend, or a fad. what if people start killing themselves because its the popular thing to do. it almost seems like that may be happening because of all the reports of suicide we read about in the news recently. when suicide is legal and easy, how many parents would kill themselves because they lost their job, then their spouse divorced them? the effect this would have on a child of losing your parent to suicide is almost irreparable. or what if someones child committed suicide, the effect it would have on their parents (assuming the parents were still alive).

maybe i would be ok with euthanasia after family counseling, so the family knows whats going on and can try and help before someone chooses a permanent solution to what might be a temporary problem. there are plenty of options to try before considering suicide like moving to a different place, getting different friends, a different job, etc.
 
Dmytry said:
what if suicide becomes a trend, or a fad. what if people start killing themselves because its the popular thing to do.
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Nothing? So the fuck what? 'Hey you! You can't do that with your own body and life, no! Let me control your existence!'

Overpopulation has much more dire effects on things much less trivial than social interaction.
Your action doesn't carry more effect because of a larger populous. Just because there are more people in your city, it doesn't mean there are more in the space you're in. You can't be in 2 places at once.

I see human extinction as a positive (impending) condition.
 
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