Is sleeping too long after opiates making the tiredness worse?

[.Lucid.]

being tired all the time suuuuuuucks. when i got clean this was the last real PAW symptom that really stuck to me even months later. it was terrible. the thing that really saved me from this was wellbutrin. it helped so much it was unbelievable, like night and day.

 

[Bojangles69]

Really? Cause I can get wellbutrin lol.
Is that another ssri... or don't they use that to stop smoking? I think I'll give it 1-2 more weeks but I NEED to be in top form no later than 2 weeks. I start an internship, will be in school, and need to find a career this semester... plus getting my lazy ass back into shape.

 

[.Lucid.]

its like an ssri but for dopamine not serotonin.. i dunno man it really helped me, so i think it's definitely something to consider trying if you have no luck shaking the tiredness.

 

[paranoid android]

Yeh I think the reason that happens is you don't seem to be actually be abusing your opiates. I suppose if you're taking them for legitimate pain, then you're not dealing with the same up and down cycles a lot of addicts do.

Cause there would be days I'd be in wds, tired as shit, would take a huge dose and go right to sleep. Then would wake up and be the same way the next day. It was basically a choice between being an nonfunctioning zombie off them, or being a partially nonfunctioning zombie on them.
Maybe if I actually tried to moderate my use I would have had less of those sucky side effects.
Will your pain ever go away? Or is it a progressive type thing? I've always wondered how pain patients stay on one dose. I mean after a few months one dose seems to lose most its pain killing properties, so mad props to you for having control like that. I'd be a mess if I had any kind of legitimate pain problems, I'm bad enough with opiates not having pain =[

I have legit pain it's trigeminal neuralgia and no it won't get better sadly enough. If anything the pain will increase as i get older and im only 28 now. I do abuse my opiates a fair bit to the point where i'll shoot up my morphine or when i had it dilaudid so yes im a addict too. Thankfully im not near as bad at that as i used to be. I havent been on the one dose either and ive switched opiates abit over the years. Ive been on oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone and fentanyl. The fent patches worked the best but the patches are unreliable (some brands work much better then others) and it didnt give me the energy or appetite boost that morphine and dilaudid seems to give. Plus fentanyl is a kind of end of the line opioid when your tolerance is shot to hell so maybe it's best i leave that one for years to come.

Being a chronic pain patient sucks ass . Especially when you know you are stuck with it your whole life and that you will have to battle to get the meds you need your whole life. I miss being free that's for sure. But if it wasent for opiates i might be drinking all the time as opiates are about the only thing that turn me off alcohol so perhaps that is a blessing.

Ketamine and cannabis help my pain as much as morphine does and if i was prescribed either of those i could get away with taking the morphine only as needed. But sadly i can't get either of those prescribed to me since doctors in canada think ketamine is only good as a anesthetic and that cannabis is for cancer patients . I had a right good laugh when one doctor said im not giving you THC pills so you can get high and then he wrote out a script for 4mg dilaudid's lol :D

As for wellbutrin i am currently on that as well for bipolar depression and it helps alot. It is a dopamine norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor so it's nothing like a SSRI. I can't take many serotonic anti-depressants and refuse to put up with the side effects anyway so this is a good thing indeed. It does help with energy alot especially during the winter months and is the only anti-depressant used to treat SAD. It really helps when my ass is dragging and i just want to sleep all day during the winter months here when we have fuck all sunlight and it's too miserable to go outside.

It would be worth a shot in my opinion atleast. Thankfully it seems devoid of the sexual side effects that you often get with serotonic anti-depresssants. Christ that one time i was on effexor (venlafaxine) which is a SNRI i don't think i had a orgasm the whole month or whatever i was on it. Fuck that sucked

 

[Bojangles69]

Gzus christ man I cant imagine the sheer amount of mind control/power that type of lifestyle would inevitably give you. I mean adversity is the mother of widsom. You don't really learn much in life by always getting what you want. Its a shame you gotta go through that crap but I still imagine in a way its made you super sensitive to other peoples emotions. And 28? Thats exactly how old I am.. truely shocking that you're still that young. I hope SOMETHING changes in the world of science at some point in the future to make your life easier. Noone deserves to go through that type of shit. And I must say you conduct yourself like a complete professional, more than intelligent... but I guess those are things you've in a way been forced to learn in life.

I get sad too usually during the winter. My mood usually starts to plummit right after Halloween, which is usually when I become more prone to acting out and fucking my life up. I made it all the way till January 2 years ago before I caved in and caught this opiate addiction. I think if I start getting like that again I'm just gonna seek professional help again vs just self medicating.
It doesn't really seem like theres a benefit either way, but opiates usually always fuck my life up.. so maybe I'll go the med route in the near future. I hope you continue to be as strong and positive as you are bro. It will make a world of difference in your life if you can continue to be like that.. same for me too.

 

[Help me please]

Bo the mood change after Halloween is probably Seasonal Depressive Disorder or something that sounds like that. You need a good UV light. Google it coz I am in severe WD right now and have all I can do to focus.

 

[paranoid android]

Gzus christ man I cant imagine the sheer amount of mind control/power that type of lifestyle would inevitably give you. I mean adversity is the mother of widsom. You don't really learn much in life by always getting what you want. Its a shame you gotta go through that crap but I still imagine in a way its made you super sensitive to other peoples emotions. And 28? Thats exactly how old I am.. truely shocking that you're still that young. I hope SOMETHING changes in the world of science at some point in the future to make your life easier. Noone deserves to go through that type of shit. And I must say you conduct yourself like a complete professional, more than intelligent... but I guess those are things you've in a way been forced to learn in life.

I get sad too usually during the winter. My mood usually starts to plummit right after Halloween, which is usually when I become more prone to acting out and fucking my life up. I made it all the way till January 2 years ago before I caved in and caught this opiate addiction. I think if I start getting like that again I'm just gonna seek professional help again vs just self medicating.
It doesn't really seem like theres a benefit either way, but opiates usually always fuck my life up.. so maybe I'll go the med route in the near future. I hope you continue to be as strong and positive as you are bro. It will make a world of difference in your life if you can continue to be like that.. same for me too.

Well im a stubborn bastard that refuses to give in to anything so that might explain why im still alive and kicking after being in maybe the worst pain possible for 6 years or about that. I can't say i havent thought of suicide because i have come very close to offing myself. I have spent more then a few sleepless nights in the past chain smoking in the basement with a loaded shotgun trying to come up with reasons not to blow my head off. That and i almost hung myself one morning. Sometimes i think it's a effort in futility to try and live but then i realize that things can change in a instant. I have gone from the lowest of lows to being happy as can be with whatever situation im in all in less then a week. Also i would not want to put my friends through that kind of shit. I couldnt even think of what commiting suicide would do to the really close friends i have. The thought of what it would do to them breaks my heart.

I do try and stay positive about things though i can be rather negative at times. But if i took everything really seriously id be dead by now most likely. So yes a positive attitude is a must if you have a chronic illness that is not going to go away. If you let the disease get you down too much you are fucked plain and simple. If you let it control your life and you sit around moaning and complaing about it then yes you are going to be miserable. Some people with chronic pain seem to think it is better to learn to live with the pain rather then take painkillers for it. I never got this line of thinking because if i can not be in pain and function well by taking a few pills a day then why not do it? So what if im a opiate addict the other option which is living in agony is much worse.

I do have alot more empathy for people then alot of other people do but this comes from dealing with any kind of adversity. I also grew up in a place where poverty is rampant and people just scrape by for the most part. So i am not quick to judge people on how they live and get by. That is unless they really piss me off . I am maybe wise beyond my years but i can do some rather stupid fucked up shit none the less. I am also rather spontanious which coupled with bipolar disorder can lead to problems. Especially money problems when im hypomanic

Thanks for the kind words by the way