Is sleeping too long after opiates making the tiredness worse?

[Bojangles69]

I honestly don't know.

What I do know is I need to sleep a minimum of 10 hours now, and when I wake up I'm lethargic and tired all day.
Yesterday I tried going for a run on the beach and OMG, I felt like a mummy trying to break out of his cast. The ENTIRE run I felt like I was dragging stiff lead weights behind me.

I understand fatigue is the way the body balances itself out. But as far as sleeping, should I be forcing myself to get up at hour 8, or allow my body to sleep as long as it thinks it needs to? I've been up for about 4 hours (woke up at 10am) its 2pm, and I almost feel like going back to bed. Like this is really a joke.
I've always been the type of person with a lot of natural high energy, even before opiates took over my life. And I feel like a lazy, fat fuck.

I mean what else can I do instead of vitamins, diet, exercise? Caffiene definitely doesn't give me any energy, and I notice cigs just make it even worse. But I feel like I'm stuck in the ice age or something... this sucks.

edit: I also wanna note something about "PAWS". My last time wding from opiates I said I didn't feel PAWS, but now I'm realizing what PAWS actually is for a lot of people.
I don't really get depressed easily at all. And I always though PAWs was = to depression. But what I'm seeing is PAWs is really equal to having absolutely no energy at all, and I think that in turn depresses peoples emotions. I don't feel depresssed emotionally. I'm more angry in the way of finding a patch of poppies to piss all over. But I think I actually understand the whole paws thing now. Its really just being out of your mind tired, and unmotivated. And I can see how that makes people depressed. I can see how I would want to get depressed right now, but I treat bad things like this more like a joke. I try not to take it too seriously, because I know getting emotionally depressed will only add more fatigue to the situation.

But GZZZZ I just wanna shake this fucking tiredness. If I have to start running 10 miles a day I'll do it. I'll find out a way to speed this process up this sucks..

 

[Draigan]

Oversleeping completely ruins peoples days. It makes you groggy and you will not wake fully until like 5-10 hours after you really woke up.

Its very important to have a propper sleeping pattern.
Also, over sleeping doesnt actually improve your quality of sleep (scientific fact if you want to look it up) You really only get the regenerative sleep between 1-8 hours. The other 2 is just a myth that it refreshes you. It may make you feel all cozy and u wont be expending energy at least, but its just not really that helpful in making you more energetic. The main way to actually get energy is by demanding your body adjust and create more energy. You do that by exercising. i realize when you went out it was very hard, but keep at it and it will get easier. YOu have to override your bodies natural desire to be lazy atm.

Read some books by some seriously educated health specialists. Your diet can play an amazing role in your energy levels too. Foods that are hard to digest, demand a huge amount of energy. Most of the energy your body uses goes to digestion! Look that one up to. I am pretty sure about it.

It may take a month or 2 before you see results, but I have pulled myself out of that lethargic body depressed state many times without fail. You will see what I mean. Your whole vibrational frequency will be more child like. Another thing to do that I think is truly important is to transmute thoughts that are harmful to you. Whining, guilt, shame, blah blah blah etc.. Watch your mind and when those thoughts arise try to be present and let them fade away and replace them with a thought of kindness. Know that you are doing things not just for yourself, but for others. It will slowly add up and before you know it, your mind will be like heaven.

One time it took me 6 months before the lethargy and anxiety and scary thoughts left me. I almost wanted to kill myself because the pain was so great, but one day it just lifted and I felt fucking gooooood and sober TTYL

 

[Bojangles69]

Thanks a lot I was coming from the frame that my body needed those extra few hours to heal/balance what the opiates did to my body.
But I did notice exactly like you said, it takes 5-10 hours to wake up, and by the time I wake up its nearly time to go to sleep again.
So I can see how its going to wind up throwing everything off.

I find it amusing how easy it was to exercise even towards the end of my taper, but once I completely jumped off that little bit of energy went right out the door.

I got up and made a bowl of mushroom soup after reading about the digestion thing. I actually do sometimes get tired after eating a meal of solid foods. I'm wondering if liquids blended down/soups/liquid protien shakes might assist a little with reserving some energy.

Mentally I'm ok, I just had far too high expecations for 2 weeks out of opiates. I was hoping I'd be running/lifting/hopping out of bed by now. Its nothing like that at all though, I just feel stuck. I'm gonna try to down a whole bunch of water too, I think hydration helps a bit too. I just need to get some sort of boost to see if I can get up and go running. Yesterday was a bitch cause it was 95 out, now its like 85 and about to rain. But I'd rather run in the rain than 95 degree heat.

ugghh let me go drag my feet away from this computer...

And THANKS for the help!

 

[adamgreen]

Opiates or not I find sleeping too much makes me way more tired. If I get more than 7-8 hours of sleep I feel like sleeping all day. I'm always tired when I wake up, but if I force myself to get up after 6-8 hours of sleep I feel so much better/ less tired.

 

[adamgreen]

I also learned from a college neurobiology course I took that studies have shown getting less sleep reduces depression while more sleep contributes to it. Apparently serotonin production is heavily decreased while sleeping - so the more you sleep the less your brain is creating serotonin. Of course when people are depressed they just feel like sleeping anyway so it can become a vicious cycle, as so many things are. We read a study on treating depressed patients by sleep deprivation that showed it was more effective than medications, but of course there are side effects with not getting enough sleep also. Bottom line though is not to let yourself sleep too much - get enough to be rested but don't oversleep. Exercise and staying awake and active should help encourage your brain start producing it's own endorphins also.

 

[Bojangles69]

Its so fucking deceptive is what gets to me.

When I DO sleep for 10 hours, I get to the point where I start wiggling my feet and WANT to get up.
When I sleep for 7-8 hours I'm wrapped in a full body cast, and can't start moving it seems. I mean I would suppose that I CAN get up, but its just very very very hard.

But in one situation, when I wake up feeling like I'm ready on my own, I don't notice how tired I am untill I basically STOP waking up. Like I get out of bed feeling like I've had enough sleep, but my body doesnt really bounce into the state of being awake.

So the key then is to tell my body to fuck off when it wants to sleep longer? lol I love life... seriously THANK YOU GOD why couldn't you design our bodies so they actually want to get up at the RIGHT fucking time?! No, instead he says "I'm gonna play a trick and just make them tired as fuck and see if they still know enough to wake up".

GOOD ONE god thanks for that. (just talking to myself here)

 

[belfort]

2 weeks is NOTHING when it comes to getting your energy/well-being back after quitting opiates..i remember when i stopped methadone i remember the feelings of absolute exhaustion that seemed to last for months..i remember forcing myself to workout and then i would feel better for a littlw while..but i have to be honest its been a long road and ive been clean for years from opiates and that exhausted/no motivation is STILL with me at times, more often than it should be..my diet is pretty tight and im stronger than ive ever been but my well-being and energy levels arent what they should be...

i just remember it being a beautifaul day out and i would be walking the dogs and i would feel like complete shit, i would ask myself 'wow i got clean just to feel like THIS?' it gets better but ive found it doesnt completely go away...

 

[Help me please]

Bo you lost so much sleep during your taper that your body is probably making up for it now! You also are not giving yourself time to heal. Just because your drug use is over does not mean your mind and body has healed yet. Get some B complex in you too if need be. Take it slow though. You didn't get addicted overnight or detox overnight either. Don't expect to be 100% so soon

I will be completely free of the pain meds in 12 more days. I am now on an every 12 hours dose.

 

[Ixchellian]

Just do what I've been doing.... I'm at about 48 hours right now, and at about 60 hours things start to get really weird.... and fun.
It's true, sleep deprivation is the poor-man's LSD.
I've hit 80+ hours before I finally just fell out in the bathtub and slept there for about 5 hours.

The shrivelwitch got me really good for that one. I was taking an epsom bath, so go figure.

Still.... it doesn't matter how long I've been awake. I never sleep for more that 5-6 hours. 3 or 4 is my usual pattern. And when I wake up, i'm not all groggy or anything. I can just get up and go...... and go for another 24-48 hour stretch.

But when I've forced myself to sleep longer than that.... say about 8-10 hours, when I wake up I feel like twice-hammered shit.

 

[Bojangles69]

Wow you guys are right I'm so surprised how much energy I got today just by doing that (sleeping less). But something weird last night also happened too and it had me bugging out pretty bad.
I've been clean for 2 weeks today, and oddly enough last night I had a pretty severe bout of rls and insomnia. I have NO IDEA wtf is going on, but I noticed when I laid down last night I had it, and I haven't had it basically since I stopped. I started laughn at first and then after a few hours got really angry. I couldn't understand for the life of me why rls randomly came back, but why I feel so much BETTER today.

My body is going through a WIERD fucking transition right now. I do NOT remember any of this crap last time I kicked.
Because the rls was so bad, I wound up going to bed superlate (6am) and woke up at noon. But when I woke up oddly I was wide awake and energized.
And I feel energized and all around great today.

It seems that my body doesn't slowly heal day after day, it looks more like it goes through shitty cycles and then gets better. I just can't understand how after such a bad night of RLS my day now feels 100 times better than yesterday, and really the couple days before that.

I just can't understand it. But I'm taking advantage of it. I think something else is going on more than the sleep cause for whatever reason when I woke up today I hopped right out of bed. Yesterday was the complete opposite. I just fucking HOPE to death tommorow is like today. I can't go back to yesterday again being tired like that. But I do feel just about 97% today.

I want to bump this thread one more time tommorow just to see what happens then. But god I hope I feel like today.

 

[Help me please]

Wow you guys are right I'm so surprised how much energy I got today just by doing that (sleeping less). But something weird last night also happened too and it had me bugging out pretty bad.
I've been clean for 2 weeks today, and oddly enough last night I had a pretty severe bout of rls and insomnia. I have NO IDEA wtf is going on, but I noticed when I laid down last night I had it, and I haven't had it basically since I stopped. I started laughn at first and then after a few hours got really angry. I couldn't understand for the life of me why rls randomly came back, but why I feel so much BETTER today.

My body is going through a WIERD fucking transition right now. I do NOT remember any of this crap last time I kicked.
Because the rls was so bad, I wound up going to bed superlate (6am) and woke up at noon. But when I woke up oddly I was wide awake and energized.
And I feel energized and all around great today.

It seems that my body doesn't slowly heal day after day, it looks more like it goes through shitty cycles and then gets better. I just can't understand how after such a bad night of RLS my day now feels 100 times better than yesterday, and really the couple days before that.

I just can't understand it. But I'm taking advantage of it. I think something else is going on more than the sleep cause for whatever reason when I woke up today I hopped right out of bed. Yesterday was the complete opposite. I just fucking HOPE to death tommorow is like today. I can't go back to yesterday again being tired like that. But I do feel just about 97% today.

I want to bump this thread one more time tommorow just to see what happens then. But god I hope I feel like today.

Bo I had RLS and insomnia last night also.

I have cut my morphine to 15 mg at 8 am and 18.75 mg at 8 pm. No more 4 pm dose (cut that 2 days ago). I think I may have under-dosed the 8 pm dose and taken a half pill (7.5 mg) plus a 1/4 pill so only took 11.25 mg rather than the 18.75. I also forgot my basal insulin at 8pm but corrected that at 5 am. My symptoms were severe like that first WD I went though in early July. By 5 am I was debating suicide. It was either swallow the remainder of the morphine pills or take half a norco and see what happens. I did the norco and within 50 minutes was so tired that I slept for a few hours.

My symptoms are back but not as bad. I cannot take benzos or anything else. I see the dr Wednesday and probably will go back to every 8 hours today and dose 7.5 mg at 4 pm. I am at the point where I may just say fuck it and stay on morphine for life. Okay maybe I'll do what the dr wanted me to do and taper monthly. Not sure but I know I am way too old for this shit! It was going too sweet so I knew something would happen. I guess dropping doses every 48 hours was too fast.

EDIT:
Also wondered if since I have been wearing the clonidine patches all the time if my body has built up a tolerance to them? I can't say 100% for sure that I under-dosed though I think I did. Then again maybe it was the 48 hour symptoms from the 4 pm jump off dose? I hate this. I hate this. I hate this!

 

[paranoid android]

Weird but since ive become more and more addicted to opiates i tend to sleep less and wake up earlier. Maybe it's my body telling me to get up and take those pills or that shot 8) . I really only sleep 12-16 hours a day now if im majorly depressed which thankfully has been rare as of late.

Take mulitivitamines and take some b-complex vitamines. I found that taking those boosted my energy level abit probably because i don't get that much b-vitamines in what i normally eat.

 

[T. Calderone]

I agree with Adam's theory because sleeping too much will just make matters worse. I don't fully understand the seratonin aspect of this but is rings true in my experiences with paws. Your mind wants to just sleep because depression sets in. This is not beneficial because your normal sleep pattern is disturbed and when you're meant to sleep at night, you cannot. Like the junkie limbo- "too ill to sleep, too tired to stay awake"

 

[Bojangles69]

Bo I had RLS and insomnia last night also.

I have cut my morphine to 15 mg at 8 am and `8.75 mg at 8 pm. No more 4 pm dose (cut that 2 days ago). I think I may have under-dosed the 8 pm dose and taken a half pill (7.5 mg) plus a 1/4 pill so only took 11.25 mg rather than the 18.75. I also forgot my basal insulin at 8pm but corrected that at 5 am. My symptoms were severe like that first WD I went though in early July. By 5 am I was debating suicide. It was either swallow the remainder of the morphine pills or take half a norco and see what happens. I did the norco and within 50 minutes was so tired that I slept for a few hours.

My symptoms are back but not as bad. I cannot take benzos or anything else. I see the dr Wednesday and probably will go back to every 8 hours today and dose 7.5 mg at 4 pm. I am at the point where I may just say fuck it and stay on morphine for life. Okay maybe I'll do what the dr wanted me to do and taper monthly. Not sure but I know I am way too old for this shit! It was going too sweet so I knew something would happen. I guess dropping doses every 48 hours was too fast.

EDIT:
Also wondered if since I have been wearing the clonidine patches all the time if my body has built up a tolerance to them? I can't say 100% for sure that I under-dosed though I think I did. Then again maybe it was the 48 hour symptoms from the 4 pm jump off dose? I hate this. I hate this. I hate this!

Yeh honestly no offense at all but if I had to do this shit at 40-50 years old I can't imagine honestly having the energy to deal with it.
I've thought about it myself how much opiates have broken me down at 28, and how some days I'm almost complaining like my parents. "I have an ache in my neck.. I'm tired... I have no energy". It seems to be an everyday reality for them, not to mention my dad has spinal degenerative disease but still refuses to take painkillers for it.
I've told him so many times (almost just to test him) "dad you know how much morphine or oxy could help" and he says "I don't need fucking drugs, I'd rather be dead if I needed to rely on a pill to live". I just can't understand where both of them get their strength from. They've been like that their whole life, and now that they're older it seems like they're suffering too much because they refuse to take medications.
But at the same time they STILL seem healthy. They still have a spirit, sense of humor, sense of peace, and I really wonder "wow, I could have parents from hell if they were more open about taking drugs". Its a reality.

But that age factor is huge and I give that much more props for doing what you're doing.
I simply wouldn't try to set a long term goal that says "I NEED to stop morphine forever" but I still think you should see how your body actually maintains off of them.
It does seem to cycle a lot. On the taper I had bad days and good days, now I have bad days and good days. But like everyone says eventually you notice you're having more good days than bad, the longer you're off the shit.

Whether or not you still have the strength I can't tell you to just do anything. Because I honestly don't know what I would do in your situation, I don't even know half the time what to do in my own situation. By I still look at my parents in some weird way, and they've always JUST TOLERATED shit. And they never seem to let it get to them somehow. And I really think regardless of whether you're an addict or not, drugs in some way make us all weaker people. I hate to make a generalization like that, but my parents have never touched a drug in their life, and I consider them some of the strongest people alive. I get most of my courage from them alone to be honest.

I can tell you my dad goes through terrible pain everyday. But he still gets up and mows the lawn, still takes his diabetes meds, still tries to go for walks, still is working 3 days a week while my mom has been retired for like 10 years. But for the most part they seem healthy, even with age getting to them.. they are still such courageous people.
I'm only saying that to maybe give you some hope. I'm not sure what your life is like, and how many minutes of everyday you atually enjoy, but did your life feel better at all before you started taking opiates? Think about it. I see so many people in pain taking them, and I also see so many people taking them in pain. It makes no sense at all.
But I'm going to continue to fight this cycle, and continue to learn about my body, and I really wanna see if I can make it in life off drugs. At this point in all honesty I'd rather be dead that go back to poppies, and thats just the truth.

 

[Bojangles69]

Weird but since ive become more and more addicted to opiates i tend to sleep less and wake up earlier. Maybe it's my body telling me to get up and take those pills or that shot 8) . I really only sleep 12-16 hours a day now if im majorly depressed which thankfully has been rare as of late.

Take mulitivitamines and take some b-complex vitamines. I found that taking those boosted my energy level abit probably because i don't get that much b-vitamines in what i normally eat.

I really do NOT understand that lol. It seems from most cases I read people get energy from opiates for the first few months they take them, then they start to eventually seem to slow most people down later in the process. To the point where they're behind on bills, the rent, food, housework, and all sorts of things. Almost like a semi-hibrenative state of some sort begins to manifest.

I'll def take those multivitamins believe it or not I took them yesterday for the first time in a while, and I'm wondering if they could have anything to do with my good mood/energy today. I actually double dosed on them too cause they were the gummy bear chewable ones... I could have ate the whole bottle. I'll go take a couple right now actually might as well get them in my blood sooner than later.

Thanks everyone for the support!!! I just really REALLY want to get through this time of my life. And you people are helping me SO MUCH. I really owe my life to so many of you.

 

[Help me please]

Yeh honestly no offense at all but if I had to do this shit at 40-50 years old I can't imagine honestly having the energy to deal with it.
I've thought about it myself how much opiates have broken me down at 28, and how some days I'm almost complaining like my parents. "I have an ache in my neck.. I'm tired... I have no energy". It seems to be an everyday reality for them, not to mention my dad has spinal degenerative disease but still refuses to take painkillers for it.
I've told him so many times (almost just to test him) "dad you know how much morphine or oxy could help" and he says "I don't need fucking drugs, I'd rather be dead if I needed to rely on a pill to live". I just can't understand where both of them get their strength from. They've been like that their whole life, and now that they're older it seems like they're suffering too much because they refuse to take medications.
But at the same time they STILL seem healthy. They still have a spirit, sense of humor, sense of peace, and I really wonder "wow, I could have parents from hell if they were more open about taking drugs". Its a reality.

But that age factor is huge and I give that much more props for doing what you're doing.
I simply wouldn't try to set a long term goal that says "I NEED to stop morphine forever" but I still think you should see how your body actually maintains off of them.
It does seem to cycle a lot. On the taper I had bad days and good days, now I have bad days and good days. But like everyone says eventually you notice you're having more good days than bad, the longer you're off the shit.

Whether or not you still have the strength I can't tell you to just do anything. Because I honestly don't know what I would do in your situation, I don't even know half the time what to do in my own situation. By I still look at my parents in some weird way, and they've always JUST TOLERATED shit. And they never seem to let it get to them somehow. And I really think regardless of whether you're an addict or not, drugs in some way make us all weaker people. I hate to make a generalization like that, but my parents have never touched a drug in their life, and I consider them some of the strongest people alive. I get most of my courage from them alone to be honest.

I can tell you my dad goes through terrible pain everyday. But he still gets up and mows the lawn, still takes his diabetes meds, still tries to go for walks, still is working 3 days a week while my mom has been retired for like 10 years. But for the most part they seem healthy, even with age getting to them.. they are still such courageous people.
I'm only saying that to maybe give you some hope. I'm not sure what your life is like, and how many minutes of everyday you atually enjoy, but did your life feel better at all before you started taking opiates? Think about it. I see so many people in pain taking them, and I also see so many people taking them in pain. It makes no sense at all.
But I'm going to continue to fight this cycle, and continue to learn about my body, and I really wanna see if I can make it in life off drugs. At this point in all honesty I'd rather be dead that go back to poppies, and thats just the truth.

Yeah Bo at 52 I do feel old so I won't take offense at what you say at all
Two years ago and after my botched knee surgery, I had to use a cane to walk. I felt like Dr House on tv...a cane and a bottle of Vicodin though I took mine as prescribed. It just progesses from there and then I got freaked out about the what if's. The oxymorphone had to be filled on the exact day and last year Thanksgiving and Xmas fell on those days. My normal pharmacy was closed so I had to go to Walgreens and then felt guilty about not following my contract with the doctor. He knew I had to go elsewhere and was fine with that. I would wonder what would happen if a tornado blew my house away along with my pills or if I lost them even. I also wanted to see how bad the "raw" pain was.

So I sit here now, 52 minutes before I may or may not add that 4 pm dose back in. I wonder if this is the day 3 of WD (no anxiety Thank God) and that I should just hold tight and see what happens tonight. I will be alone till noon tomorrow and honestly at 5 am today I debated swallowing the remainder of the morphine but wound up taking a half of a norco instead. That helped so much. I slept a few more hours and the RLS was gone.

Did I misscalculate when I dosed at 8 pm and take 7.5 mg less than I should? Was it the third day of WD thing?
Is the clonidine patch no longer working like when I first used them because I keep them on for a week and then put a new one on? Tolerance?
Do I add back the 4 pm dose at 7.5 mg? I had mild symptoms at 3.75 mg.
Am I dropping too often at every 48 hours?

I wish I had the answers so I knew what I am dealing with! This sucks so much. I told my husband that on Wednesday I may just tell the dr I will stand at the 15 mg every 8 hour dose. My pain level tells me I need to. Well more like I have pains I never had before. I'm clueless and it's my freaking life I'm dealing with. Husband said if I need to go back to the meds then do it.

 

[Bojangles69]

I don't know its really interesting you bring up that clonidine though because I'm still on 50mcgs everyday of mine (twice a day) and I notice a few hours before I take my next dose I DO get hot flashes. There is definitely a rebound effect going on that I didn't notice the first few days.
You have a patch which is SUPPOSE to keep it stable in your blood, but I'm wondering if your liver has just become a professional at churning out those metabolites and breaking the clonidine down. I'm kinda curious myself though if I've been off opiates for 2 weeks now, WHAT the hell would be causing the RLS? I took my second dose of clonidine around 5pm, and am wondering myself if I'm getting RLS just from the clonidine getting processes through my body quicker (tolerance like you said).

I also get hot flashes too which went away for the first 5-6 days after completely stopping. And then slowly came back so it MUST be the clonidine causing this shit. I don't know but you do raise a good point. I know when I take the clonidine it calms me down and partially sedates me, so there has to be some type of rebound effect thats raising my blood pressure afterwards, which is prob triggern the RLS and hotflashes.
I'm going to start tapering this crap down I think. I just want to see what happens to my energy off the clonidine, and all these minor wds symptoms that have been popping up randomly.
As far as the morphine/norco. I honestly have NO IDEA what you're doing right now. You seem to be switching between 2 different opiates now, and although people like to say norco and morphine are the same I always got wayy worse wds from norco. So I'm wondering if your body my just be feeling that now too, or maybes your confusing your receptors. Cause I know when the body gets use to a specific opiate, and then you transition (or mix in another), you can still get wds if you decreased the original dose of the opiate your body is use too.
Even though they're both opiates, they both have better abilities to do different things. Like I said before norcos a better antiussive, 14 times better than morphine, but theres things morphine are better at as well. And if you threw norco in the mix, its likely your body is readjusting to the specific properties of the norco.
All I know is when people switch from even small heroin habits, to massive doses of sub, I still here a lot of them claiming "i feel like I'm wding", although the sub is more powerful most of the time, its still a different chemical that the bodies not use to. And the body has to first get UNUSE to the original opiate before it adjusts to the sub.
I'm thinking your receptors are really getting confused in a way.

 

[Help me please]

^ Bo it was only 5 mg of norco and I took it to see what would happen. It did bring the symptoms to a halt. I have no plans to do it again though. I decided that I am going to nap rather than take the 4pm dose again. I haven't taken it in 2 days now and I am sure this is probably day 3 of the fallout! If I get sicker I will dose when I wake up which won't be more than an hour or so since I will set an alarm. That way If I do go back to a 7.5 mg dose I can still take the 18.75 at midnight and do the three a day thing.

I confuse myself beyond believe at times! I did make sure to cut my pills for this evening now and even put that dose in a separate bottle. Well I better sleep while I am tired.

 

[paranoid android]

I really do NOT understand that lol. It seems from most cases I read people get energy from opiates for the first few months they take them, then they start to eventually seem to slow most people down later in the process. To the point where they're behind on bills, the rent, food, housework, and all sorts of things. Almost like a semi-hibrenative state of some sort begins to manifest.

I'll def take those multivitamins believe it or not I took them yesterday for the first time in a while, and I'm wondering if they could have anything to do with my good mood/energy today. I actually double dosed on them too cause they were the gummy bear chewable ones... I could have ate the whole bottle. I'll go take a couple right now actually might as well get them in my blood sooner than later.

Thanks everyone for the support!!! I just really REALLY want to get through this time of my life. And you people are helping me SO MUCH. I really owe my life to so many of you.

Well ive been on opiates for 5 or 6 years now. There have been times when ive gone months without being dependant on them and just taking them as needed but this is rare. When im on opiates i can get through my day pretty easy with much less pain and alot more energy. Or atleast less fatigue. Get up eat breakfast, do abit of housework, maybe work out abit, etc. Without opiates im fatigued, sore as fuck and my neuropathic pain acts up really bad.

So yeah maybe it's the lack of pain that actually gives me energy. Even my family and friends notice that im more energetic and alot less grumpy once ive picked up my scripts

 

[Bojangles69]

Well ive been on opiates for 5 or 6 years now. There have been times when ive gone months without being dependant on them and just taking them as needed but this is rare. When im on opiates i can get through my day pretty easy with much less pain and alot more energy. Or atleast less fatigue. Get up eat breakfast, do abit of housework, maybe work out abit, etc. Without opiates im fatigued, sore as fuck and my neuropathic pain acts up really bad.

So yeah maybe it's the lack of pain that actually gives me energy. Even my family and friends notice that im more energetic and alot less grumpy once ive picked up my scripts

Yeh I think the reason that happens is you don't seem to be actually be abusing your opiates. I suppose if you're taking them for legitimate pain, then you're not dealing with the same up and down cycles a lot of addicts do.

Cause there would be days I'd be in wds, tired as shit, would take a huge dose and go right to sleep. Then would wake up and be the same way the next day. It was basically a choice between being an nonfunctioning zombie off them, or being a partially nonfunctioning zombie on them.
Maybe if I actually tried to moderate my use I would have had less of those sucky side effects.
Will your pain ever go away? Or is it a progressive type thing? I've always wondered how pain patients stay on one dose. I mean after a few months one dose seems to lose most its pain killing properties, so mad props to you for having control like that. I'd be a mess if I had any kind of legitimate pain problems, I'm bad enough with opiates not having pain =[