Is my friend ready to try mdma?

[rez_runner]

Ok, so i have a close friend of mine who i'm thinking about giving some mdma to. She is currently 47 years old and has never done any drug in her life except for weed maybe 5 or 6 times. The reason i want to give it to her is because she has some serious mental problems and has turned into a very negative, depressed, and shallow person. She also has turned into an alcoholic and is with an abusive partner who is brainwashing her and making her feel like she is the most worthless person alive. Anytime we try to help her out in life she either lies to us or just becomes very defensive and acts like she already knows what we're trying to say and thinks its ridiculous. She has mental breakdowns alot and becomes very depressed and sad for awhile which then reverts to anger and negativity after that which can last for days at a time. Even if she starts to feel a little better and acts normal for awhile she is in a contant state of extreme stress and tension- she is so stressed that she has lost alot of weight in the past couple years and has to take high blood pressure medication to control her blood pressure.

I've tried to have serious one-on-one talks with her to try and get through to her but i think her constant state of stress has completely destroyed her reasoning skills and her memory, because most of the time even if she agrees with what i'm saying and admits her problems it doesn't take but a day for her to completely forget everything and go right back to her old lifestyle. I will mention things to her and she never seems to remember- it's like i'm talking to a little child half the time.

So anyways, i've been hoping to give her a small dose of mdma to try and have a deep and profound talk with her and show her that there is true beauty in this world that she has no idea about. She thinks alcohol is the only safe thing to do, and she drinks almost daily now to help with her stress. I have already mentioned giving her this but i haven't given her any yet because she has been on antidepressants for quite some time (but i've been trying to convince her to quit now for like the past 3 or 4 years and she finally did quit them about 3 months ago).

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[rez_runner]

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Here's my question- is she going to be ok to take mdma soon? Here is a list of her medications she is taking:

Premarin- This is her hormone prescription that she has to take daily because she had her uterus removed about 10 years ago. She has been taking this for 10 years now

Prozac - She took prozac daily for about 10 years, and just stopped recently about 3 months ago (which seems like a really long time so i'm not sure how serious that is)

Thyroid medication- Not sure what the exact name of her prescription is but she has been on a thyroid medication for about 2 years now because her thyroid was acting up but it is in check and normal now.

She is now off her high blood pressure medication i believe so right now i think she is just on her premarin and thyroid medication. I am thinking about waiting until its been 6 full months that shes been off of her antidepressant just because she was on it for so long. Is this going to be ok? I want to only give her like 50 mg so it isn't too intense but i want her to have decent effects. I have plenty of benzos for the comedown just in case but my main concern is for her safety. Is she physically safe to try mdma?

 

[Darksidesam]

Depression.

Target the route of the source and destroy it only if possible.
Perhaps therapy, or exercise works for me kinda. Relying on drugs to fight depression isnt always a great idea.

If she drinks a lot, i bet you any money she has Low serotonin levels and taking mdma will only make them plummet further, thus making her more depressed.

Motto of this story

Unless you have PTSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder) from being at war, or an abusive childhood, and need to get something off your chest, what you saw, felt or endured, then in a therapeutic setting, then it may be beneficial. However, if it is more of a well you may as well give this a try kinda thing. Maybe not so much of a good idea.

 

[fatinflorida]

Oh my.....

Oh, come on.......

The answer to your question in your subject line is, "No."

Listen to yourself.

Your friend suffers from mental disorders, and you, a layman, have the idea that you're going to use mdma as medication to help her.

I'll put it this way: I am not a physician. I know nothing about medications, their effects, how they interact, etc. So, the next time you have an infection, or high blood pressure, or kidney stones, or heavy periods, or whatever, you can just PM me and I'll take a stab at what might be a good medication program for you. Sounds pretty ridiculous, doesn't it?

I know you care about this person, and want to help her, but I'll be blunt: From what you wrote, your plan sounds outrageously foolish. (In fact, I wondered if this posting was even serious.) I see SO MANY problems in what you wrote, I can't even start to take the time to list them all. Just..... stop. Instead, try an entirely different approach, a non-chemical approach: Why don't *you* consult a professional - priest/minister, social worker, psychologist, etc. - who you can talk to who can give you advice about how best to help someone like your friend? They see this kind of stuff all the time, they would be a great resource for you.

I don't think that is necessary. I think MDMA therapy could be very useful for someone like she is describing. It is definitely worth bringing up with a psychiatrist if you are talking about serious depression but it is no secret that somebodies first time using MDMA will often produce some serious insights.

 

[Darksidesam]

But some people have adverse reactions to mdma, and have a nasty first comedown.
That comedown could even lead to suicide.

That's why i think it is better than people are aware of the dangers, mdma isnt as safe as many people might think

 

[i against i]

first you tell her to quit SSRI's when she is depressed and now you want her to try MDMA? quit playing at being her doctor. MDMA would not be a good idea, it causes depression in many users, and may exacerbate hers. she needs help, but not from drugs.

 

[joe456]

would 50mg really be able to give some people a bad comedown? That wasn't a statement disguised as a question just thought people may have missed that part. If she thinks alcohol is all that is safe then that would definitely increase the chances of this backfiring, starting to talk to her about things she doesn't want to talk about after convincing her to try a drug might freak her out. Personally, the way I react to MDMA the introspective thought process would allow me to think things through as if it was from an outsiders perspective and in a life affirming way, so I can definitely see why you would think this was a good idea, but at the same time I know other people have very different experiences. I'm not going to give you any direct advice since I really don't feel I'm qualified to, but remember that if you do give her MDMA and it does end up doing more harm then good, most people will probably blame you for giving her and illegal drug rather than thinking you did the right thing and it just happened to go wrong.

 

[dee_dee]

I think in that situation I really wouldnt be reccomending or suggesting they try MDMA at all, but maybe thats just me...

 

[rez_runner]

Well she has been to counselers and psychologists before and it really didn't do any good, she just came out of the sessions thinking "it kinda helped" but in the end it didn't take her long to go right back to her old ways. I'm not trying to play doctor here, and honestly if the antidepressants didn't help after 10 years then they are never going to help (and she even admitted it was probably time to get off of them because she said they never really did anything anyways). Why she took them for so long is beyond me, maybe she thought they were working for awhile but it was all just in her head.

I understand what kind of comedown some people have with mdma, so that's why i have been patiently waiting for the right opportunity and also why i'm getting advice here. Trust me, i have taken every route possible in the past which included counseling, therapists, taking her on a long vacation to unwind and let go of stress, getting all of her friends together to all go hang with her for a day to show her how much she is cared for and loved, showing her how many great friends she has and a great family she has, etc. etc. I even got her to find her new inspiration in life one night after a long and fun talk when she had an epiphany and decided she was going to go back to school and get a degree in psychology and become a child therapist. She was very high on life for a good couple months and i've never seen her so excited. Ofcourse, it faded away and she is the same again now which sucks...

We've done all the therapy and motivational stuff in past and tried it all, and alot of it was on her own terms so it wasn't like there was a bunch of pressure from anyone else. What i believe she needs more than anything is a complete opening of her mind, something that she can't get by her own thinking right now. I honestly thought about giving her lsd or mushrooms so she could finally see for the first time in her life what it's like to get outside of her completely narrow prison of a mind and know what it's like to see the world in a different way, but i am afraid she would freak out because they can make you "trip" and i don't think she is mentally prepared for that. I'm thinking mdma just because it's got incredible euphoria yet doesn't give you a mind fuck like other drugs (unless in high doses ofcourse, but i would never give her that), so it would be an easy first drug for her. I hope this gives some clarification.

 

[BluLait]

Don't listen to these people. MDMA is the perfect substance for everybody. She should try it, if only once, she should know what it's like.

Give your friend some MDMA, and she will thank you!

The mental issues have nothing to do with anything. I am a certified neurologist. It is safe for her to take the MDMA.

It's not going to change her life forever though. She might be changed for a few weeks after the MDMA experience, but after that things just go back to baseline.

 

[i against i]

I am a certified neurologist.

how can such dumb fucks become doctors now? no doctor worth anything would give advice over the internet. cunt.

**edit - chemically insane - an infraction has been issued for abuse... we do not call people cunts!**

 

[rez_runner]

I definitely think professional advice is needed, but there aren't many doctors that i know or she knows that would be open enough to discuss something like this i don't think. And i agree with coolzmoker, some of them might just give worthless information anyways- i would rather get advice from people who have rolled before and seen these types of situations before with other people.

Like i said, she has seen plenty of professionals and none of them have done much at all. She needs an opening of her consciousness is what i believe, and meditation and hypnosis haven't helped either because she just refuses to try hard enough. Maybe i could give her like a gram of mushrooms instead- enough to feel different but not too overwhelming

 

[the toad]

Thank your mindful response coolzmoker... i against i recieved an infraction for that.

 

[hebb22]

47? If she hasn't done it yet, it's probably best not to. Nevermind the medications she takes, at that age, a powerful substance such as MDMA should be avoided.

 

[thelastclubkid]

47? If she hasn't done it yet, it's probably best not to. Nevermind the medications she takes, at that age, a powerful substance such as MDMA should be avoided.

idk if age is really an issue... the harm reduction principals would apply equally to any (adult) person as long as there are no other health issues that would contraindicate it...

but i do agree with most here in that while MDMA is an amazing drug and i do personally believe everyone should experience it, i dont think its a very good idea to play amature psychologist

 

[rez_runner]

I don't think i wanna play psychologist at all if she trips, i just wanna show her what its like to feel incredible and know what its like to shift your consciousness in a way that will open her eyes for the first time in her life to what is really possible.

And yeah, 47 is pretty old but if i were in that position i would be incredibly desperate for answers somewhere. It might be shocking to some people who have had such a narrow mindset for that many years to try something like this but some people desperately need it imho.