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Is methylone a stereo isomer of cathinone?

khaosddt

khaosddt

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I don't know shit in chemistry, so i ask this maybe dumb question in order to know if i can order some methylone in france, where mephedrone and cathinone and its salts and stereo isomers are forbidden.
 
Cathinone:
S)-2-amino-1-phenyl-1-propanone

Methylone:
(±)-2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one

or better known as Beta-Keto MDMA, bk-MDMA.

I'd say you are better off checking the legality in France of MDMA and its "its salts and stereo isomers"

I am unfamiliar with French Law regarding analogues and the like. So I can not comment on whether bk-MDMA is legal.
 
thank you, it is illegal. do it have a chance to past the customs? or shall i expect a knock at the door?

sobk-mdma is a stereo isomer? or plain isomer? or salt? cause only stereo isomers and salts are illegal
 
Will it pass customs? how would we know? we can't help you with this kind of information

stereoisomer - no
isomer - no
salt- no

it is the beta-keto 'analogue' of mdma. I'm not sure analogue is the correct term to use here. Its a touchy subject. Many drug laws are written poorly as far as how they define what is and is not an analogue in terms of one substance being illegal.

bk-mdma is structurally similar to mdma. The ONLY difference between the two is the addition of a ketone group at the 2 position, ie beta-keto. (I get mixed up with the numbering for where you attach the side chains, can someone clairify, is the ketone at the 2 position?)

So bk-mdma is a very close structural analogue to mdma.
the way it relates to cathinone is that bk-mdma is a methylcathinone molecule with a methelyene-dioxy group attached to the phenyl ring of the methylcathinone.

Its up to you to look at French law and determine how they deal with "analogues" I think often simply a structural analogue is not enough to make it illegal but I could be way wrong.
 
ok, thanks french analogue law, is only for stereo isomers and salts. Thank you, should not be a problem.
 
I don't think you understand what "stereoisomer" means, perhaps a little read of Wikipedia might be of use to you.
 
indeed i don't, but as mgrady said, it is not one.

Read the wikipedia article, and still don't understant
 
Basically, some molecules have a property called chirality. In the same way as you can have a left- or right- handed golf club, one of which cannot be superimposed on the other, these molecules have a left- and right-handed "version". These different "versions" are called stereoisomers. Cathinone is one such molecule, and is made up of an equal mixture of both stereoisomers. However, you can seperate or synthesise it such that only, say, the right-handed stereoisomer is present. What the law means is that it is not just a mixture of both isomers of cathinone (racemic cathinone) that is illegal, but a pure quantity of either stereoisomer as well.
 
waouw, i kind of get it, buuuut, is the methylone an isomer of cathinone? this forum definetely needs a topic of some basic drug chemistry explained to noobs :D.
 
^no, methylone is not an analog of cathinone. there are two isomers of methylone. both are called methylone. the kind you can buy is almost certainly a 50./50 mix of the two.
 
I highly recommend you read up on french law, specifically "clauses balais"

Basically it boils down to:
MDMA is a scheduled drug in france, so any drug being sold that has psychoactive affects similar to mdma can be illegal.

This doesn't mean they will prosecute you for bk-MDMA one way or another. But it means the potential is there. If a jury decides the effects are similar enough then you are fucked. Doesn't matter if you bought the methylone as "plant food" or some other "not for human consumption" type label.

I'm basically going from here:
you can read for mor info if you want, but they outline the idea I'm trying to represent - its not just being an isomer or being a salt of a controlled substance that matters, rather they can prosecute you simply because of the substances effects. I'm not saying you will be prosecuted, but the law is set up to be vague on purpose.
 
They are telling bollocks to this dude, Mephedrone is illegal in france few times after it was banned in england. And there are analogue laws, as i said for stereo isomers and salts in case of mdma, or cathinone but on some substances, ether analagoues are also classified. i know about this law, but hopefully we don't have any jury for this kind of trial.

I can be prosecuted, if i sell this or i consume it, but ordering it by email, as plant food, or research should not get me in trouble.

Thank you for your advices. I was really worried cause i am on probation for cocaine sell, and any drug involved crime ill get me in jail in no time.
 
The point of that clause is that your intention doesn't matter. Its the properties of the substance that make it illegal. Like they said on that forum, if you are arrested with a bag of powdered methylone it doesn't matter if you bought it as plant food. If the jury thinks the substance exhibits psychoactive properties similar to any known scheduled drug then they you are guilty of possession of an illegal substance.

If you are on probation I strongly advise you not to bother with Methylone.

Could you order some online and get away with it, yeah probably. But what if you don't? Is it worth going (back?) to jail? If you are already on probation then ordering a drug that falls into a legal grey area is just not a smart move. If you did end up having to go to court over it the fact that you are already on probation for a scheduled drug will pretty much seal the jury/judge's decision.
Why draw attention to yourself by having a plastic baggy of white powder marked "plant food" shipped to you... that doesn't look suspicious does it?

You mentioned now that some substances have "ether" analogs banned. This, just like isomer and salt, does not apply to bk-MDMA. It is not an ether of cathinone or mdma.
 
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