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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Gabapentinoids Is Lyrica (pregabalin) actually recreational?

This compound and other similar ones seem to be highly subjective, with some reporting rather strong, very enjoyable effects. While some people report feeling nothing, and being entirely disappointed with the drug itself. I was one of those people. (Highly disappointed)

Yes. Agreed.

People who have abused Opioids tend to enjoy Gabapentinoids at a greater rate than the general public based upon limited research that has been conducted. Is this a result of structural changes to the body as a result of Opioid usage or is it a genetic, from-birth thing that sets one up for either enjoying or not enjoying Gabapentinoids. The jury is still definitely out on this one.

I will say that for those who enjoy Gabapentoids, they are indeed very recreational and addictive.
 
Weird that you didn't tolerate codeine phosphate but do the solpadeine. Do you know what codeine salt it contains? You might want to do a CWE to get the codeine separated from paracetamol.

Lyrica shouldn't give you anxiety but it's imo also nothing to take daily because it's effects subside very fast. Some people get long lasting effects against pain or anxiety though. While it has an indirect GABA promoting effect it doesn't attach to the GABA receptor complex itself. I guess you can only try for yourself and see what it gives you and what not. From a short term experiment you won't be in danger of withdrawal and not everybody gets it anyways, I for example was on 900mg and had next to no withdrawal.
Kind of makes sense to me. Pure codeine at a higher dose would be different than lower dose codeine combined with paracetamol (which enhances opioid effects creating a stronger feeling from a lower dose).
This could change things ( potentially especially if the user is mildly allergic to codeine (pseudo-allergy, not anaphylactic) or just doesn’t respond well to it in general for one of various common reasons.

But at a lower dose, with mainly the positive effects potentiated by the paracetamol along with the addition of caffeine, which would both speed up the metabolism for a more intense and magnified initial feeling (more concentrated release of morphine into the bloodstream),
along with the stimulant’s (caffeine) psychoactive effects.
This added stimulant would counter the depressive effects of the codeine (now metabolized into morphine), leaving a much more pleasant, uplifting and overall palatable euphoric experience, relative to a much more slowly metabolized codeine by itself.

These three drugs can work together very well, akin to taking other stimulants and opioids together.

Similar reason why people drink alcohol which cocaine.

Another classic similar example would be a combination of GHB and Meth.

Sub-Note: Despite popular opinion, GHB and meth/cocaine ect is actually quite a healthy combination.
I’m not in any way saying that meth is healthy in high doses, but pure GHB absolutely can be beneficial in many ways and as long as you’re not over dosing the stuff, the main risk is generally the excess sodium from taking too many consecutive doses (if you can source potassium based GHB powder and balance the two out every other dose this will offset this risk significantly (especially if keeping your magnesium/calcium ratios and water intake in order at the same time).

GHB eventually metabolizes in the body into just carbon dioxide and water. Nothing else.
(not talking about GBL or 14b here, they are absolutely very bad for you).

But back to the point, when combined with a stimulant like meth, it can induce several benefits to your body like lowering heart rate and blood pressure by dilating your cardiovascular system, and relaxing your muscles. And also relaxing your mind by inhibiting the fight or flight response brought on by the intense stimulant, putting significantly less stress on your body overall both physically and mentally.


Cocaine and alcohol have been shown to be quite unhealthy due to other interactions in the body, so the above examples of specific benefits when some uppers and downers are mixed are not universal and not a hard rule by any means.

Quite an interesting and useful bit of knowledge to pack away for a rainy day though, in my opinion.
 
Yes it is, in a way. But the effect goes away on daily use.

The recreational effect is hard to describe, very different than its relatives gabapentin and phenibut (neither of which are nearly as enjoyable). At very high doses it has this empathogenic quality that has parallels to the empathogenic states than can sometimes occur with GHB, but there is also this sort of sedated hypomania that occurs. Definitely more inebriating than other gabapentinoids.

Pregabalin is probably more recreational than benzos due to this more alcohol-like inebriation. But pregabalin is not primarily a GABAergic drug. I definitely don't recommend taking it on a daily basis, it is physically addictive to a degree and sort of puts you in this floaty ambitiousless existential state where nothing matters much.
I really wish I had this affect from it because I have bad gastroparesis pain and I was on Percocet 4x a day now I'm on Tylenol 4 4x a day and I was started on Lyrica late January. I don't know if 50 mgs 2x a day is not enough to get this affect but I wish it would make me not care or be bothered by the pain. I'm also on Librax which is a total, with 8 pills 40 mgs of Librium a day. I do have a high tolerance for any meds not because I used them recreationally just I've been on so many different meds in my life including every psych med under the sun including benzos. I was prescribed 60 mgs of Valium and 8 or 10 mgs of Xanax every night along with Remeron or Ambien or lunesta or Sinequan. I've never done an illegal drug in my life but I know what addiction feels like because I took myself off all my psych meds like 6 or 7 years ago, again another long story. I was taking 900-1500 mgs of Gabapentin 3 to 4 times a day before Lyrica so I was wondering do people usually get these feelings on higher doses of Lyrica? I wouldn't jump up to 600 or anything like that without my Dr moving me up I'm just wondering, since I've never taken it before around half a month, does it take time to get that feeling because all the research I've done online says it can take up to 4 weeks or more for full affects and 50 2x a day doesn't seem like a very high dose based on what I looked at either. Any responses and experience would be greatly appreciated because I'm in pretty much constant pain so I'm trying to hear other people's experiences with it
 
Yes. Agreed.

People who have abused Opioids tend to enjoy Gabapentinoids at a greater rate than the general public based upon limited research that has been conducted. Is this a result of structural changes to the body as a result of Opioid usage or is it a genetic, from-birth thing that sets one up for either enjoying or not enjoying Gabapentinoids. The jury is still definitely out on this one.

I will say that for those who enjoy Gabapentoids, they are indeed very recreational and addictive.
I didn't abuse opioids but I was prescribed Percocet 10 mgs 4x a day and I didn't have a chance to take Lyrica when I was on them. I had to leave that pain clinic because they would let patients run out of meds, not show up at the office the day of your appointment and lie to patients and they sent fraudulent charges to my insurance 7 months and that's why I switched to a PA's office and she's giving me the Tylenol 4 4x a day and Librax and Lyrica. I'm going to ask her to bump up the Lyrica as much as she can at my next appointment
 
Librax huh? That's quite a throwback for yours truly. For those who are not in the know, this is the trade name for a combination product consisting of Chlordiazepoxide (Librium) - the prototype for all future Benzodiazepines for those in the trivia game - combined with Clidinium Bromide, itself an anticholinergic. The product is designed to treat intestinal problems i.e. "irritable bowel syndome" etc. though it is rarely prescribed these days for obvious reasons I.e. there are more appropriate treatments for bowel ailments these days.

When I was living in Duhok I would pick up a lot of my drugs from a spot called Gulistan Pharmacy. However, Saturday is the Sunday of most of the Muslim world, as in, this is there day for worship, with Friday being a day largely for relaxation with major prayer commencing at Sundown, but I digress. On Saturday, Gulistan would be closed. Naturally, I would often be super fucked up on Firdays cause I wouldn't have school to teach. I'd get up on Saturday and I wouldn't be able to go to Gulistan, but this other pharmacy would be open. The strongest sedatives I could buy there would be Librax haha. Oh man, the memories. I would have to open hundreds of blisters. Anyway.

They say Anthony Eden lost his job because he was all hopped up on Amphetamine/Barbiturate combination products and hence bungled the Suez Crisis. All I can say is, thank God Keif' Richards doesn't have his finger on "the button". In my 20's I probably would've started a nuclear Holocaust several times over. Vladimir Putin wouldn't get my sense of humor.
 
(Librium) - the prototype for all future Benzodiazepines
they tried that one on me for a while in the early 80s and i did not know this factoid. thx explains a few things....
Vladimir Putin wouldn't get my sense of humor
imma say it and probably get black bagged for it. trump would get my sense of humor. never cared for him as long back as i can remember (always saw him as another con) but wouldnt put any effort into pushing buttons other than the plastic ones on my phone. 😅
been trying to get off gabapentin and i feel its going to be another pita. its no longer helping so why bother. good to have back up but. lyrica doesnt even help so glad im not dependant on that one. hate to give that back as i love the effects it helps me lay down. lol
gabap will be a breeze to put down than the pregab in the wd phase(s) of the process i feel.
pregab brings a darkness with its wds than maybe any other substance that i have had the pleasure to wd from. 😁 others do not feel this. I find this phenom a bit curious but also know its typical of substance effects being varied.
 
I've been prescribed 600mg/d of Lyrica for years for anxiety, sleep, and nerve pain and it works wonders. If I abruptly stop taking it I don't get any WDs which is quite strange but I'm not complaining lol. In terms of recreational value.. yes it does.. it kind of gives you a drunken "I don't care" sort of effect.
 
I've been prescribed 600mg/d of Lyrica for years for anxiety, sleep, and nerve pain and it works wonders. If I abruptly stop taking it I don't get any WDs which is quite strange but I'm not complaining lol. In terms of recreational value.. yes it does.. it kind of gives you a drunken "I don't care" sort of effect.
as a rec user, tolerance builds for me pretty quickly, I take 300mg once a week and need tolerance breaks for that to keep the effect the same, if I don't then I need to up the dose to 600mg after 3-4 weeks of use.

I love pregab, it's my fav by far, great potentiator and it synergizes with lots of other drugs - i'm careful with my use though, I don't want to become dependent on any drug!

how frequently are you dosing? are you still getting the rec effect?
 
as a rec user, tolerance builds for me pretty quickly, I take 300mg once a week and need tolerance breaks for that to keep the effect the same, if I don't then I need to up the dose to 600mg after 3-4 weeks of use.

I love pregab, it's my fav by far, great potentiator and it synergizes with lots of other drugs - i'm careful with my use though, I don't want to become dependent on any drug!

how frequently are you dosing? are you still getting the rec effect?

I'm prescribed it so I take it everyday. I take 200mg 3x a day. I'm also prescribed Oxycodone 30mg 4x day. So I'm on a pretty strong pain relief regimen!
 
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