Opioids Is it still a speedball if you don't IV?

[rufuscornpone]

Hi everyone,

I have been using meth (usually smoked, sometimes snorted or plugged) and black tar heroin (almost always smoked, but occasionally IV'ed) pretty regularly for the past 7 months. I typically smoke the crystal first, then use heroin for the comedown. However, sometimes I will use the two together, resulting in what is almost always an extremely pleasurable experience. The euphoria is much more intense than either individually. The meth tends to dampen, or outright eliminate, the nod while the H tends to knock out all the negative physical side effects of the meth. I understand that this is extremely dangerous and try to approach this combo with caution.

Not long ago, I got my hands on some coke. I used to play around w/ coke on the East Coast, so set my baseline from those days. I would say that the coke is middling at best while the H is pretty decent (as far as tar goes...). I am a little disappointed with the powder, but want to make the most of it, either by converting it into freebase or using it for a speedball. I am not big into IVs (usually need a benzo or two due to fear of needles, which adds a whole new layer of danger to the situation), so wanted to insufflate the powder, then smoke the H.

I had a couple of questions before I went about this:

1) Is mixing cocaine (snorted) and heroin (smoked) more dangerous than mixing meth and heroin? Are there unique factors that I should watch out for?

2) If I'm not going to IV, am I just wasting both drugs? Does anyone have experience with this combo in these ROAs? Should I expect the H to overpower the C completely?

3) Should I be sure to have a redose handy? I know that the C will wear off long before the H. I am a bit terrified of nodding off after this combo, so was thinking it made sense to either have extra C or some crystal handy to keep me from nodding off.

Again, I understand that I am playing with matches here, but would love to get advice/experiences from others who have gone down this route.

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

Cocaine increases you rate of respiration and your body metabolizes it far more rapidly than heroin. If the heroin would have been an overdose had you not done the cocaine, it will be an overdose when the cocaine has been mostly metabolized. This is how Elvis presly died, on a toilet no less.

 

[rufuscornpone]

Gotcha. Elvis' death is the stuff of legend. Don't wanna go down like that.

By your logic though, if he'd simply done more cocaine, The King might be alive and with us today, right? If heroin depresses breathing, you are saying that cocaine stimulates it. This is actually news to me as I thought both meth and coke stimulated heart rate, but not your respiratory system. If the latter is true, could coke/meth help you come out of an overdose? I feel like I've researched that question before and the general consensus was "no".

Would love to hear more thoughts on the subject. Does meth function in the same way? If so, given its longer impact, is it actually safer to mix with H than coke?

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

More cocaine would not likely work as I think you may OD on that before you could dose high enough last for the duration of the heroin high.

One article I read said not to use stimulants to revive someone but it only talked about how the local anesthetic effect of cocaine ( and other numbing agents it is often cut with) can paralyze the heart when injected.

Idk about how the euphoria synergizes but the meth / heroin combo is enormously safer, as difficult as that may be for some to hear.

I know for a fact that coca leaf tea treats altitude sickness in the Andes mountains and that too much amphetamine makes me hyperventilate.

 

[simco]

warning: i know next to nothing about how coke and opiates interact pharmacologically. for instance, i know that opiates and benzos are a bad mixture. i know very little about how to stay safe mixing stims and opiates.

nevertheless () i've done stuff similar to what you describe quite a few times... snorting coke and #4 heroin in a go. i've tried various combinations, from setting up rails of each and snorting them together to getting good and high on the H and then hitting coke sporadically, to the more common use of H to deal with a big coke comedown.

i've found the mixture to be pretty pleasant. but i've never been crazy about it. the heroin by itself is just fine with me, with less wear and tear on the heart, blood pressure, etc. on the other hand, a buddy of mine is crazy for the mixture. my impression is that a lot of it comes down to personal appetites and what you find pleasurable. again, for me, coke/heroin is OK, but probably not worth the risk (i feel like that shit has *got* to be really bad for me!), nor the $$$.

whether is still a speedball if you're not IV'ing, i have no idea. fwiw, that's what I've called it. but others surely know more on this than me.

 

[Dresden]

No, not really. By the most rigorous defintion, a "speedball" is heroin and cocaine together in one shot, IV. Warning: They are very dangerous. However, I did one once and survived. First the cocaine hit, and a minute later that was over, and the heroin high was all that was left. All in all, not that good or worth the risk.