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Heroin Is it safe to IM tar using a cotton filter?

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xburtonchic

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Yes I did use the search function by the way, I could only find an answer regarding powder, and then it talked about using a micron filter which we do not have access to.

Also, is it bad to keep using the same vein? I'm wondering if that's why it stopped registering... and my attempt to find a vein elsewhere led to what seems to be a rather painful histamine reaction, so we would rather just IM it... if possible...
 
How do you not have access to a micron filter?

edit: adding, that tripmans right, and tar is extra dirty as far as heroin goes, very impure. Don't IM it.
 
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It is never safe to IM street Heroin in any form.

Honestly I wouldn't even IV tar if it had only been cotton filtered. Micron filters are generally pretty easily accessible online or at a NSP. Refer to C.Hs IV threads in the OD directory.

Continual usage of the same vein will lead to more obvious tracks, collapsed veins and using up all your veins quicker. It sounds like you are experiencing a collapsed vein if you are no longer registering in a spot you usually easily hit.

Please look after yourself - Dont IM heroin UNLESS it has been micron filtered and even then I wouldn't recommend it.

Make sure to switch up your veins every shot. I used to rotate from crook to wrist then switch arms and repeat.
 
The above is exactly the same advice as I'd give you. All that aside, I will add...

I have IM'd street tar, in my darker days, without any problems what so ever.

I know this girl, who albeit is quite fucking crazy, who has been IM'ing street tar of the shittiest quality for years with minimal problems (none that I know of at least, but then again, I'm sure she's had her troubles with infection related issues). She's probably contracted a number is blood born diseases by now, but that's another story. I'm sure her days are numbered...

In short - Yes you can do it and get away with it, but it's a really, REALLY bad idea. You're really risking abscesses and life threatening infections. If you've already tried it and haven't noticed much other than the initial burn and minor soreness/irritation, you're probably fine. If you haven't already done so, safe yourself a world of trouble, and do otherwise. Smoking easy enough, as is buying a barrel filter, as in IV'ing (although for some reason I never like IV, short of the initial rush - still needles are all too much trouble imho).
 
My friend flacky was IMing tar heroin without a micron filter AFAIK and he survived... I would say NO - don't do it. :)

IV tar, smoke tar, don't IM it. Micron filter it or don't IM it.

Just because Flacky lived doesn't mean you can't get abscesses this way, you totally can. IM drug use is more risky than IV drug use. You have to know what you're doing.

With a micron filtered solution, like I showed pictures of for Suboxone in the micron filtering mega thread.... this micron filtered solution is easy to IM. For tar heroin, that's much more difficult to prepare for IM. I wouldn't bother, I'd IV it or use another ROA without bothering to IM tar heroin.

IV tar heroin is probably more fun anyways for your purposes. ;)
 
I IV tar using only a cotton filter (Q-tip). I'd never IM it, however - I love the feel of the *poke* going into my vein. I did wonder about a collapsed vein at one point, but it seems to have come back to life lately. :) And yes, I do rotate veins and locations.

(Ugh, that totally made me sound like not only a junkie, but a creepy one at that. *poke* *poke*)
 
J.D. said:
I IV tar using only a cotton filter (Q-tip). I'd never IM it, however - I love the feel of the *poke* going into my vein. I did wonder about a collapsed vein at one point, but it seems to have come back to life lately. :) And yes, I do rotate veins and locations.

(Ugh, that totally made me sound like not only a junkie, but a creepy one at that. *poke* *poke*)
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=D

Of course, rotating veins/locations is the only way to prevent collapsing veins.

Black tar heroin is notoriously bad for your veins too.
 
tricomb said:
How do you not have access to a micron filter?

edit: adding, that tripmans right, and tar is extra dirty as far as heroin goes, very impure. Don't IM it.
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Because I don't see the point in going out of my way to buy one for something I hardly ever use... I only do it once in a great while, only a handful of times since I was first introduced to it a few months ago. Plus I always dilute the shit out of it and even then I never do more than 40 cc from a 31 gauge at a time... seriously, a 30 can last me an entire week. So I don't see the point in having one, when cotton works just fine for my purposes.

Oh and my veins aren't collapsed. I'm just a newbie and usually have other people do it for me, this is the first time I've ever done it by myself... needless to say I am hardly an expert at hitting veins. That's why I've mostly been using the two in the crook of my arm, because they're easy for me to hit by myself. Anyway I figured out the problem, when I saw my arm in really good light I noticed that I wasn't even hitting the vein lol I was like a centimeter off... that's why it wasn't registering. I know where the vein is now though, so problem solved. :)

Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely stay away from IM'ing dope then. I guess I just figured it would be alright since I IM bupe sometimes, but I guess they're not the same at all...
 
the point of the micron filter is saving your body and maybe your life, no matter how rare you IV.

buy a 10 pack, if you don't use often, it will last you a while... It's cheap and worth the money
 
If your blood is brighter color and there's a lot of pressure and it it hurts more than usual: you hit an artey.
Withdraw needle imediately, and apply pressure to site of puncture for at least 15 minutes.

Arterial punctures can lead to death.
 
No matter how rarely you are injecting, I strongly suggest that you start seriously considering some harm minimisation.

As outlined above, your methods are unnecessarily risky. Stop IMing dirty substances, and learn to IV properly. Get some micron filters.

You may not do it often, but with what you're actually doing, one single shot could put you in a world of trouble.

Be smart, and safe.
 
It is never safe to IM street Heroin in any form.
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I don't think IMing micron filtered heroin would be any worse than IMing micron filtered pills.
 
You are right.
Using a Wheel Disk Filter with a 0.22 µm Nylon Membrane is the single most imortant / effective step in reducing the harm resulting from injecting intravenously / intramuscular / subcutaneously.
The only step more or equally important than this is using clean syringes with unused needles, and never reusing a syringe / needle.
I suppose it would be alright to reuse the barrel a few times, as long as you wash it out and snap on a new needle for every poke.

When fitering through a 0.22µm membrane you take care of everything with the exception of soluble toxins / irritants and some small viruses. The resulting solution, if prepared correctly, can be used like any IV Liquid. Wheel disk filters have saved my arms numerous times. Where before a missed shot would have resulted in an abscess from hell, with wheel disk filtration I have never gotten any abscess before.

Wheel disk filters are a key component in harm reduction, no matter what your drug of choice is.
I urge you to purchase some on ebay or some other online vendor. Prices vary hugely, some are 10 times more expensive than others. Also it is not nescessary to purchase the sterilized ones, as those are really pricey. An acceptable price is one to two dollars per filter.

Even with a wheel disk filter and clean needles, I can't say it's "safe" IM'ing tar. There is still risk. But if you employ the methods outlined above, you have taken all possible steps to minimize the harm your drug use is creating if you must inject tar intramuscular.

Any questions, holler at me
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I understand why someone would IM tar without a micron filter. You have to order it online and they're expensive for some if it was for one use, but you can sterilize them in a pressure cooker(I think) and reuse them. I think you can even just flush it with alcohol or bleach to reuse it. If you must IM(like your veins are gone from tar), use alcohol to clean everything the dope will touch like the spoon, use clean water(sterile saline, or boil some water and make your own) clean injection site with alcohol and use fresh unused syringes. By practicing good hygine you can reduce but not eliminate the risk of infection.

It's riskier than IV in terms of infections, but people do it all the time.
 
Yea, and ime most people do not nearly take that much precaution. although you offer awesome advice THC, I rarely have seen *most* junkies I know to do even one of those things (other than wiping their spoon with alcohol or cleaning their point with bleach). It's sad and unfortunate.
 
Shit most I've seen don't even clean the spoon cause they want h 'resin' to build up, use the rig till it's broken, and reuse the cotton till the cuts/impurities block it up. And their veins are gone and they're always getting abscesses.
 
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