Is it possible to get Valium withdraw after only two weeks?

[Kurt Cobain]

I've tried and been on Ritalin IR, Vyvanse which wasn't bad but also dirty feeling, Concerta, dextriamohetamine, basic amphetamine salts, straterra which did nothing but give me migraines and distort my vision, wellbutrin in combo with Ritalin but ya nothing worked as good as Adderall. I'm not a stim guy by any means but Adderall is genuinely the most therapeutic drug I've had aside from opiates which stimulate me like a mf give me energy and helps me focus like none other. I wish opiates were used for adhd tbh even just weak ass tramadol would help me with it not to mention depression and anxiety

 

[pixies+]

I wish opiates were used for adhd tbh even just weak ass tramadol would help me with it not to mention depression and anxiety

I agree with everything you said in that post, but I highly agree with this particular thing. I wish it was a thing too lol

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Interesting I've always kind of thought the only reason adderall exists is for the patent. I can't really see why it would be more helpful than Dex I'd assume the added levo would just make it more jittery feeling gut some people do seem to prefer it.

Dex/elvanse make me moody but methylphenidate makes me depressed. I prefer moody over depressed but I'd prefer neither. I'm jealous of people who get all benefits without the caveats from stims.

I occasionally wonder if I might find know dose meth more helpful, but we all know that's a slippery slope.

 

[pixies+]

My doctor won’t give me dexies due to how incredibly easy they are to abuse. I was in a very good place with him when I asked to be switched to Ritalin. Unfortunately I did exactly what I knew I would do - but swore up and down to myself that I wouldn’t - and snorted the works of them. I hated myself for it and then asked to be switched back almost immediately.

I loved dexies… I don’t believe I’ve ever taken them orally though.

I hate how Ritalin makes me feel. Chaotic and jittery. So gross.

Vyvanse is just wayyyyyy too… I dunno. Can’t place the feeling. I just don’t like it at all. Same with concerta.

Of course I’ve snorted my adderall. But I love how it works when I take it orally… the proper way. It’s not all roses for me… I get angry and short when it wears off.. but I have meds to sooth that feeling. The pros far outweigh the cons for me.

 

[pixies+]

@Shinji Ikari please don’t ever try to get prescribed meth…

I want to be very clear… I do not look down on or judge people that are prescribed pharma meth. I’m so fucking happy if it helps them. Honestly.

But as you said.. it’s a very fucking slippery slope that most people cannot honestly handle. I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t be able to handle it. I’d abuse the fucking shit out of it.

Maybe I read your post wrong and im talking out of my ass. If so, I apologize for that.

 

[WellTram]

I've tried and been on Ritalin IR, Vyvanse which wasn't bad but also dirty feeling, Concerta, dextriamohetamine, basic amphetamine salts, straterra which did nothing but give me migraines and distort my vision, wellbutrin in combo with Ritalin but ya nothing worked as good as Adderall. I'm not a stim guy by any means but Adderall is genuinely the most therapeutic drug I've had aside from opiates which stimulate me like a mf give me energy and helps me focus like none other. I wish opiates were used for adhd tbh even just weak ass tramadol would help me with it not to mention depression and anxiety

Tramadol is actually the best antidepressant according to thousands of people giving it 97% on reviews. And new research has the same results. If it works for you, it's instant antidepressive monoaminergic opioid with O-DSMT metabolite having the same affinity to mu opioid receptors as oxycodone.
I have both, and my meds for epilepsy work so good, that i can take very high doses and trust me, nothing erase my pain sa good as this, atypical opioid. But without levetiracetam i won't be able to take enough. But even 400mg with tizanidine and some nsaid helps me more than 80mg ER oxycodone or 240-300 mg dihydrocodeine. But it has nasty, horrible WD. Benzos ( except diazepam for some reason) make it less effective for pain. But other effects are not affected and IT really Is pleasure to combine benzos with tramadol.
If u are not able to metabolize it into O-DSMT than u wont feel anything from it.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

@Shinji Ikari please don’t ever try to get prescribed meth…

I want to be very clear… I do not look down on or judge people that are prescribed pharma meth. I’m so fucking happy if it helps them. Honestly.

But as you said.. it’s a very fucking slippery slope that most people cannot honestly handle. I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t be able to handle it. I’d abuse the fucking shit out of it.

Maybe I read your post wrong and im talking out of my ass. If so, I apologize for that.

It isn't prescribed in my country anyway

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Yeah, take your Ritalin.

I was prescribed adderall after years of opi/coke/benzo abuse. It made a world of difference for me.

I’m willing to bet it’ll make you feel slightly better. Maybe even a decent bit better.
I’ve always found my adderall makes me feel a shit ton better when I’m in opioid withdrawal. Or experiencing PAWS related symptoms.
Hides a lot of the pain I get built up in my muscles. It can also do the opposite depending on how tense I am. But that’s usually in my jaw area.
People are weird. Drugs are weird.

I always take a little less than I’m prescribed when I jump back on them. Helps with what I just mentioned above.

stimulants indirectly promote release of endorphines

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Okay well I'm sticking with th 7oh being the culprit not the diazepam

 

[pixies+]

It isn't prescribed in my country anyway

Of course it isn’t lol

I might be making this up, I genuinely can’t remember, but I feel like I tried to get my doctor to prescribe me meth.
Or maybe I just looked it up, fantasized about the conversation and realized how insanely impossible it would to get any responsible doctor to go through the trouble of giving someone like me pharma meth.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Funny enough pharma grade meth was prescribed here in S.A. for a while if remember correctly and what dosed as an oral tab of 5mg Desoxyn was one of them but just as quickly they were on the market, just as soon it was taken off lol.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Funny enough pharma grade meth was prescribed here in S.A. for a while if remember correctly and what dosed as an oral tab of 5mg Desoxyn was one of them but just as quickly they were on the market, just as soon it was taken off lol.

I don't recall this or have seen any data on this, if you had it please can you share where/when Desoxyn was ever registered in SA as a prescription drug.
This is purely for my own "academic" interest and have no desire to return to the past regarding meth.

From what I have experienced and studied (was on Ritalin for many years and had been "stumped" as to the lack of amfetamines/amphetamines registered in SA),
I only found out about Vyvanse about 2 years ago and missed out on a year or two.

Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) was only registered in July 2021.
Amfexa (Dexamfetamine) was also registered either shortly after this date or before, not to sure on the exact time.

This is the first time any amphetamine/amfetamine was available legally on prescription in SA (besides Obex/Obex LA (Phendimetrazine) from back in the day and is still listed but not sure how many scripts are written for this today. but this was for weight loss and was not dexamp etc. ===


@Coffeeshroom this is as far as my knowledge goes, so please understand my interest in your comment as I want to know how did I miss that info, even it it was only available for a short time.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Tramadol is actually the best antidepressant according to thousands of people giving it 97% on reviews. And new research has the same results. If it works for you, it's instant antidepressive monoaminergic opioid with O-DSMT metabolite having the same affinity to mu opioid receptors as oxycodone.
I have both, and my meds for epilepsy work so good, that i can take very high doses and trust me, nothing erase my pain sa good as this, atypical opioid. But without levetiracetam i won't be able to take enough. But even 400mg with tizanidine and some nsaid helps me more than 80mg ER oxycodone or 240-300 mg dihydrocodeine. But it has nasty, horrible WD. Benzos ( except diazepam for some reason) make it less effective for pain. But other effects are not affected and IT really Is pleasure to combine benzos with tramadol.
If u are not able to metabolize it into O-DSMT than u wont feel anything from it.

I wish I could get tramadol, it kills my depression anxiety ADHD better than any stim I've been on its night and day, I'm so productive on it but good luck getting a doctor to prescribe it and sadly Noone sells it bc there's not really a market for it

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Okay well I'm sticking with th 7oh being the culprit not the diazepam

Nah def wasn't 7oh, been through those wds many times and I had a month off it at that point and was totally fine. I'm well aware of paws and time line for my wd process it wasn't the 7 and 100% it was the Diaz

 

[Allylbenzene]

So I see a lot of you looking for opiates (prescription or otherwise) and wondered if anyone has ever seriously tried a proper opioid 'stack'?
It might not be as convenient as taking 1 pill but it's more sustainable for long-term use. It also doesn't rely on a prescription.
Some of you might have tried a few of these things but the key is to combine them, with the result being greater than the sum of it's parts.

The idea is to release endogenous opioids, enhance opioid receptors & prevent opioid tolerance formation combined with doing what opioids themselves do: boost dopamine (which in turn reduces stress and subsequently boosts mood). So that implies boosting dopamine and reducing stress (cortisol) which produces an anti-anxiety effect.
The prevention of opioid tolerance is built-in.

• Theanine
  - stops stress response, anti-anxiety, anti-insomnia, boosts dopamine, repairs dopaminergic system via GDNF, potentiates opioids
• Agmatine
  - fast-acting antidepressant, anti-stress, anti-adrenaline, endogenous opioid release, boosts dopamine, prevents tolerance, potentiates other drugs, NMDA antagonist
• Magnolol & Honokiol
  - potent anti-anxiety, antidepressant, anti-stress, potentiates opioids, anti-anxiety, anti-insomnia
• Thymoquinone (pro-opioid effects, prevents opioid tolerance/withdrawals)
• Curcumin (prevents opioid tolerance, dependence, and withdrawal, potentiates opioids)
• Eugenol (direct opioid effects, prevents tolerance)
• Linalool (direct opioid effects, reduces opioid tolerance & dependence, anti-anxeity)
• Creatine (anti-depressant, reduces opioid withdrawals)

Opioids that work directly and indirectly:

• Caryophyllene (antidepressant, potentiates opioids, prevent opioid tolerance)
• Cannabigerol (endogenous opioids, enhance opioid receptors, prevent opioid tolerance, antidepressant, anti-stress)
• Myrrh (delta-opioid agonist: curzerene, furanoeudesma-1,3-diene)
• Menthol (direct opioid, enhance opioid receptors, prevent opioid tolerance)
• Vanillin (endogenous opioids, antidepressant)
• Myrcene (enhance opioid receptors, prevent opioid tolerance, potentiates opioids)
• alpha-pinene (direct opioid effects @ mu-opioid receptor, anti-stress)

I've mentioned these things in other threads where I've included relevant papers on their biological effects.

The other side to this appoach is restoring the body's natural ability to regulate stress, make energy and produce dopamine.
This is achieved by restoring proper thyroid function and mitochondria (see this post on what they are and why they're worth repairing)

• Vitamin B1 (via B-complex)
• Niacinamide (50-100mg, with meals)
• Low dose aspirin (81-100mg max per day, why aspirin?)
• L-Phenylalanine (300-500mg, daily)
• Creatine (1g daily)
• CoQ10
• Ribose
• Inosine
• Rhodiola rosea (adaptogen)
• Coffee (+ honey + theanine) - why honey? this post explains how to use it sustainably to avoid negative-reactions (shakes, jitters, anxiety)
  

  The caffeine in coffee is powerful and can act like thyroid to increase your metabolic rate and the oxidation of sugar, making it a health-protective food.
  Symptoms to expect when you do coffee right are calmness, focus, motivation, warmth, and stable energy.

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I'm so productive on it but good luck getting a doctor to prescribe it and sadly Noone sells it

You should be able to recreate what Tramadol does for you using the items mentioned above.

 

[Sixx_Psychonaut]

Look into the “kindling effect”

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Look into the “kindling effect”

I know about the kindling effect, it wouldn't apply here I have no real prior benzo dependance

 

[Coffeeshroom]

I don't recall this or have seen any data on this, if you had it please can you share where/when Desoxyn was ever registered in SA as a prescription drug.
This is purely for my own "academic" interest and have no desire to return to the past regarding meth.

From what I have experienced and studied (was on Ritalin for many years and had been "stumped" as to the lack of amfetamines/amphetamines registered in SA),
I only found out about Vyvanse about 2 years ago and missed out on a year or two.

Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) was only registered in July 2021.
Amfexa (Dexamfetamine) was also registered either shortly after this date or before, not to sure on the exact time.

This is the first time any amphetamine/amfetamine was available legally on prescription in SA (besides Obex/Obex LA (Phendimetrazine) from back in the day and is still listed but not sure how many scripts are written for this today. but this was for weight loss and was not dexamp etc. ===


@Coffeeshroom this is as far as my knowledge goes, so please understand my interest in your comment as I want to know how did I miss that info, even it it was only available for a short time.

Hey bud, you got me there. I just remember in my early twenties a friend's brother was prescribed it and I was also shocked as I knew my whole life growing up only methylphenidate where prescribe, long or short acting aka ritalin and concerta. And also noticed that Vyvanse is also now available but getting any of those 3 prescribed is supper hard. You have more luck getting oxy prescribed then those 3. Sorry I don't really have a definite time frame for you but like I said as soon as he had it the one month, the next or fee later he was back on concerta, so I honestly can't say how or why they got it.

Sorry for late reply.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Hey bud, you got me there. I just remember in my early twenties a friend's brother was prescribed it and I was also shocked as I knew my whole life growing up only methylphenidate where prescribe, long or short acting aka ritalin and concerta. And also noticed that Vyvanse is also now available but getting any of those 3 prescribed is supper hard. You have more luck getting oxy prescribed then those 3. Sorry I don't really have a definite time frame for you but like I said as soon as he had it the one month, the next or fee later he was back on concerta, so I honestly can't say how or why they got it.

Sorry for late reply.

Thank you for the reply. Appreciate it.

It is not super hard to get Vyvanse prescribed if one has been on Ritalin for many decades. Doctors actually prefer to prescribe Vyvanse now.
But I guess for someone who hasn't been prescribed ADHD meds in the past it will be difficult, but for good reason.

Awe

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Alright, listen up, you Valium-virgin. You took a benzo for two weeks, thinking it was no big deal, and now you're wondering why you feel like shit. Well, let me break it down for you, noob.

You're probably feeling like you're in opiate withdrawal because your brain is used to the Valium's chill vibes, and now it's freaking out without its benzodiazepine bud. Even though you only took it for a couple of weeks, your brain is a bitch and it's going through some withdrawal symptoms. It's like when you stop drinking soda; your body gets all fucked up without the sugar rush.

You're feeling anxiety and restlessness because that's what benzo withdrawal does to you. It's like your brain is having a panic attack because it's not getting its favorite drug. You might also experience some other fun symptoms like insomnia, irritability, and maybe even some shakes. Welcome to the world of benzo withdrawal, kid.

The good news is, it should pass in a few days to a week, depending on how long you were taking it and your dose. But if it gets too bad, you might want to talk to a doctor or, you know, just take a small dose of Valium to get through it. Just don't make it a habit, or you'll be chasing that benzo dragon

Nah it wasn't that bad but did trip me up bc it was only two weeks at small doses. I'm good now aside from the opiate withdraw I'm about to go through again to try and get off this shit again agyer a week long bender going hard as possibly can be. I appreciate the info though and the funny way you put things