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Is it ok to shoot up your son with IV drugs if he asks you to?

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Is it ok to shoot up your son with IV drugs if he asks you to, for harm reduction ?

My son knows that I abuse street drugs and prescription drugs by injecting them and wants me to show him how to do it properly and inject him intravenously, just for a oncer to see what it feels like.

He knows I have been shooting up for about a year and always asks to watch me shoot up IV drugs - Bad parent I know, but he watches me preparing my shot and I got sick of shutting the bathroom door and locking him out as he knew what I was doing in there anyway.
He does not live with me but usually visits weekly and stays 1 or 2 days a week.

He is a handsome 27 year old with a pure heart of gold and has been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder / Asperger's syndrome / Schizo-affective disorder /Schizophrenia, his diagnosis's changes from Psychiatrist to Psychiatrist and he is a self confessed alcoholic and drug abuser.
He has tried most drugs available in our country from; Crystal Methamphetamine (snorted), Ritalin, most Benzo's, DXM powder, Marijuana, Salvia, Datura, Morning Glory Seeds, HBWR Seeds, Opium Poppy's, Mescaline, Magic Mushrooms etc.

He has never worked and is incapable of doing so, as he was an uncontrollable child probably due to undiagnosed ADHD, and at 10yrs went from boy's homes to foster homes and then institutions with no formal schooling (as he was not made to go to school since the age of 10), mainly in state care or the the Mental Health System.

My son is very intelligent and is studying by correspondence at University and is passing. His intelligence is also commented on by my family, friends and flatmates and no one can beat him at chess. He is an absolute pro on the electric guitar playing all the greats like Hendrix perfectly. He enjoys his recreational drugs. He is also a book-worm and loves reading and learning facts and quoting famous or great people (which drives me crazy). He idolises Aleister Crowley, loves the occult and studying and trying out different religions. His attention span is not very long and he tends to change his mind and lose interest in things very quickly. Even when talking to him you can see him drifting off into his own thoughts and he finds it hard to stay on topic and is very impulsive and has no concept of actions and consequences.

We have a very good honest and open relationship, be it a little bit unhealthy, and always says I'm his best friend. He can discuss anything with me which I really love (including his porn collection lol). He is quite naive and innocent to ways of the world due to being institutionalised so is an easy target to being ripped off by people which happens often. He is socially awkward and tends to say inappropriate comments. I cut him some slack in this regard as I want him to be himself as he is a very special, good natured and unique boy and I didn't have that type of relationship with my Dad. He has no criminal convictions and has never been violent and is a gentle giant at 6ft 5".

He is my favourite child out of four, mainly because I know my other kids will be fine and do not have a hard road ahead of them compared to my only boy.

My question is::
Is that a line I should cross for Harm Reduction and minimization sake, or is it just too taboo?
Advice needed please on my dilemma, what are your thoughts on this differcult situation?

Note: I am very clean and sterile in my IV'ing practices (I do have OCD which helps)
The bottom drawer in my dresser has all my injecting equipment, 200+ syringes, assorted varying gauge luer-lock needles, cotton filters, varying sizes in micron filters, alcohol swabs, sterile water, assorted professional tourniquets, sharps containers (thanks to the needle exchange).
 
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Please don't be offended but, as an ex-IV Heroin user my opinion is that you should show him how to get clean. That'll be the most precious lesson to teach your child.
 
tough call. many IV associated harms are caused by improper technique or bad hygiene practices.
if he's going to do it anyway, maybe you could teach him good harm minimisation. he is old enough to make up his own mind.

on the other hand, IV administration is an escalation in drug use that causes big problems (such as addiction) for a lot of people.
i tend to agree with the above poster, but i think if his heart is set on it, perhaps you could guide him on the safest ways to do it.

it comes down to context, really. do you fear him making the same life choices as you, or are you happy with the way you live?
if you have any misgivings, it may tell you the best way forward.
 
As long as you know how to do it safely.

I hope you use micron filters and always use sterile equipment?

How long has he been asking you to do it? You can always teach him how to do it with saline and have a talk to him about how it has impacted your life and what regrets etc you might have. Tell him what you think too, if you don't think he should do it then you really should say so but you should also ask him if that will stop him because if the answer is no then you probably need to teach him. If you do it might be worth going to the needle exchange and getting some pamphlets on safe IV use etc for him to hang on too, also let him know that you will be there to help if he does decide to try it and won't judge him for it.
 
I think it's better for him to know how to do it correctly than creating abscesses.
It's a personal belief of morality, but in my opinion, you can't stop him from doing it, although you can show him the correct way to do it.
It's your choice, do what you think is right.
I think the fact you came here asking for opinions is a sign your intentions are good.
 
you should teach your children well.

However before doing do so I would investigate several area's of his life.

Identify if his use is moderate and responsible. Determine if he is maintaining his personal relationships. Does he have a partner? Is he treating them well, does he use drugs to escape from social activities and other events? Is he maintaining and thriving in his employment?

Is he healthy? Does he have a chronic illness? Does he give blood? For example IV user are not allowed to give blood. If he is chronically sick he should really shouldn't be using drugs and the same for his health.

So if the answer to many of these questions is decidedly negative than I would use the interaction to discover your sons problems and assist him in seeking help. I would explain how to use safely but seeing that he trust you, you should use the opportunity the trust creates and build it into a platform that you can use to help him redirect his life.

If however he is a healthy individual that loves life and discharges his responsibilities in a responsible and careful manner then by all means teach your son well. That said talk to him about whether he has harm mitigate strategies, i.e. what will he do when he finds the addiction is getting too much for him. Can he manage quitting if need be?

Also talk to him about the health consequences of injecting. Warn him that even the best IV care won't be 100% and that it only takes the injecting of some phage or other material to result in sickness.
 
spacejunk said:
tough call. many IV associated harms are caused by improper technique or bad hygiene practices.
if he's going to do it anyway, maybe you could teach him good harm minimisation. he is old enough to make up his own mind.

on the other hand, IV administration is an escalation in drug use that causes big problems (such as addiction) for a lot of people.
i tend to agree with the above poster, but i think if his heart is set on it, perhaps you could guide him on the safest ways to do it.

it comes down to context, really. do you fear him making the same life choices as you, or are you happy with the way you live?
if you have any misgivings, it may tell you the best way forward.
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you should teach your children well.

However before doing do so I would investigate several area's of his life.

Identify if his use is moderate and responsible. Determine if he is maintaining his personal relationships. Does he have a partner? Is he treating them well, does he use drugs to escape from social activities and other events? Is he maintaining and thriving in his employment?

Is he healthy? Does he have a chronic illness? Does he give blood? For example IV user are not allowed to give blood. If he is chronically sick he should really shouldn't be using drugs and the same for his health.

So if the answer to many of these questions is decidedly negative than I would use the interaction to discover your sons problems and assist him in seeking help. I would explain how to use safely but seeing that he trust you, you should use the opportunity the trust creates and build it into a platform that you can use to help him redirect his life.

If however he is a healthy individual that loves life and discharges his responsibilities in a responsible and careful manner then by all means teach your son well. That said talk to him about whether he has harm mitigate strategies, i.e. what will he do when he finds the addiction is getting too much for him. Can he manage quitting if need be?

Also talk to him about the health consequences of injecting. Warn him that even the best IV care won't be 100% and that it only takes the injecting of some phage or other material to result in sickness.
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These two posts sum up how I feel about this. Are you happy with your drug use and your IV use? Would you want your son to have similar experiences? It's a heavy issue that needs a lot of thought before you make a decision.
 
If he's getting the drugs from someone else anyway and is intent on injecting them regardless of whether you'd help, then I'd say for HR's sake then yes, show him how to do it properly and safely, as it may save him a lot of trouble in the long run.

But if there's even a chance that by saying 'no,' he'll avoid taking up IV drug use in the first place, I'd say don't do it.
 
I would lean towards helping him if you think this is something he's going to anyway.

I think it's important to keep your drug using separate though - don't use together, don't score for him (or vice versa), don't give him any of your drugs. I can see more problems coming about if you develop a relationship that is based on drugs - and with someone so close to you it'd be very hard for either one of you to extricate yourself from the situation. I see this as being the most dangerous part of it all - if either of you is in withdrawal and the other can score, it'd be pretty hard to let your relative stay sick, but if you share you've started this drug relationship which feeds on itself and is so hard to get out of. I think it could forever change your relationship, if either of you has problems with addiction.

I had such trouble when quitting my addiction with triggers - it involved cutting myself off from a lot of people - if that person was my father, I can't imagine how difficult that'd be.
 
Id have to agree with LilbabiC. For harm reduction sake it would be wise to show him how to do it, either way if u dont he will learn it elsewhere and the dangers might be a lot higher if ur not the one who's showing him how to do it. My honest opinion is that u should give quitting a try, I have fully recovered from a nasty opiate addiction and been down that path many times.

To me it would be very uncomfortable being high with my child (dont have any but then again who knows if I do:D). Parent/parents are the number one role models and like LilbabiC said "That'll be the most precious lesson to teach your child" I really dont want to say it but u dont want to dig ur own graves. Sorry if i seem a bit full on but thats my honest opinion. Just hate seeing how destructive the stuff is. Seein my friends turn into demons because of the stuff. This mite be the only chance to prevent a so called nasty habit thats about to start but the decision is yours.
 
I don't even know what to say ... tell him he needs to get off the drugs.

Time for an LSD or Ibogaine psychotheraphy season I think.
 
Yes, HR is important but there are some things you should never do and one of them is teaching your child how to shoot up. That's just going to far in my book. Do you wonder whether or not he would have ever wanted to shoot up if he didn't know that you did?

You should try to convince him to not take this path and not act like oh well its cool here let me show you son. Try your hardest to get him not to. If he ends up doing it then maybe help him out but then again he is going down a bad path... I mean I like to IV but I try to stay away from it as much as I can and I wouldn't ever want to teach someone how to bang, let alone get them on this path that leads to nowhere good.
 
^^ You seem to imply that you can IV occasionally, so what negative effects has it brought you compared to any other level of drug use?

My drug use has gotten no worse than before I started IVing, probably even used somewhat less considering everything that is happening at the moment.
 
Why would any Parent inject there kid ?? R u mad
You should be pushing him away from it no drawing him
In !!! Don't you want to be a positive Influence ????
 
You're being very naive sex_bomb. At 27 years old, this is not exactly a "child" we are talking about.

If he is going to do it anyway (which is the major factor in this discussion, IMO), don't you think it would be better to be taught the correct way by someone he knows and trusts and knows how to do it, rather than potentially harming himself by being uneducated, misinformed or plain reckless?
 
I would say go for it, it will almost positively save his arms/veins from bruises and unneeded tracks. If my parent(s) would have shown me how to properly shoot up, I wouldn't have half the scars I do now.
 
only give someone a shot if it reduces the harm they would do if you did not help them.
 
I'd suggest trying to help him with his alcohol and substance abuse issues more so than teaching him to shoot up properly personally.
 
It's only an issue if the user see's it as such, he may not have a problem in his eyes. Especially if he has grown up with a parent(s) that do it. Growing up in that environment would make you feel like it isn't such a bad thing. If he doesn't want help, trying to help will most likely be useless. It might be hard for him to see his alcoholism in a negative way considering the way he grew up and how well he is doing at uni.

He obviously managed his addiction really well if he is an alcoholic and passing uni, something I couldn't do personally.

It's amazing how much the Governments anti-drug campaigns have effected so many people so deeply, even people that use blindly still believe deep down that drugs are bad and the wrong thing to do.

I really wish the OP would come back and answer some of the questions posted here.
 
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