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Is it ok to mix a LITTLE alcohol with diazepam?

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I like the diazepam buzz to soften the blow after mdma but it doesn't feel quite 'complete' in terms of getting comfortably numb.

It just zonkes me out.

I was thinking just a couple of beers (no more) would be a nice complement to this state.

I hate alcohol on it's own but find it can be a nice softener on a comedown in small doses (as alot will make it worse) but only when accompanied to synergise other substances as alone I hate it's effects.

I've read stories that seem to go both ways- don't dot it you may die, vs. I do it all the time in moderate doses and intentionally so cos it gives a nice synergistic buzz.

So what is the skinny on this?
 
If you want to feel comfortably numb try some opiates codeine, vicodin etc better for comedowns. But generally mixing CNS depressants is not a good idea. So I would advise against alcohol and valium.
 
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phatass said:
i'm Rx'ed 50mg valium a day so yeah i drink when having taken valium... its all about knowing where your tolerance has its limits
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Its not just about tolerance. Mixing CNS depressants is dangerous because they interact and potentate the effects of each other on the CNS, Respiratory depression etc.

A lot of people die mixing CNS depressants, harm reduction hello...
 
Not just that it also overloads your liver, your liver being your filtration unit that can be overloaded with impurities which can cause damage and may cause liver failure in severe cases.
 
Yes sure they potentiate eachothers CNS depressant effects, but so does a combination of alcohol and more alcohol .. Or valium and more valium.. It's all about dosage. I've mixed alcohol & benzo's for sleep before and would take 1/4 of a pill + few beers/a little wine and that would put me to sleep as snuggly as 1/2 of a pill.

Just start LOW, don't fuck around. :)
 
Solide said:
Yes sure they potentiate eachothers CNS depressant effects, but so does a combination of alcohol and more alcohol .. Or valium and more valium.. It's all about dosage. I've mixed alcohol & benzo's for sleep before and would take 1/4 of a pill + few beers/a little wine and that would put me to sleep as snuggly as 1/2 of a pill.

Just start LOW, don't fuck around. :)
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Its not all about dosage Alcohol + Alcohol is safer than Alcohol + Valium FACT.

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"Alcohol and Valium

Mixing alcohol with Valium can kill you.
Alcohol, Valium (or other benzodiazepine drugs, such as Ativan, Xanax, Restoril and clonazepam) are all central nervous system (CNS) depressants. If you take too much of any CNS depressant, it slows down your breathing, which can lead to heart failure and even death.

When you mix CNS depressants together, they intensify each other’s effects. This means they can make you feel more drunk or stoned than you might expect. It also means that the effect on your breathing is intensified. Combining these drugs is extremely dangerous."

Personally a friend of mine died from combing a few drinks and a Xanax, Solide maybe you have mixed them and you have not gotten hurt [yet!], but your risking your health and your an idiot and are giving harmful advice, so STFU.
 
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it is possible to mix the two with pleasurable, non-fatal results. be careful though, a little too much of either and you'll be making a fool of yourself and remembering none of it. And the line you shouldn't cross is harder to see than on alcohol alone.

a few drinks and a xanax didn't kill anyone who wasn't high on heroin or driving a car.
 
drugssexmusic, I understand it's personal for you but phatass was giving HR advice. Even though combining CNS depressants is dangerous, people do it, and are going to do it --- so it's better to give advice than say "NO NO NO BAD BAD BAD". A small amount of alcohol, say 3 beers, with a small dose (maybe 10mg) diazepam even with no tolerance to either isn't going to kill you, especially on a full stomach. Everything in moderation, whenever you are taking part in a dangerous combo it's best to smart out small and work your way up --- you can always take more, but not less. This is HR advice --- yes it's safest to NOT mix them, but if you are going to, its good to be safe about it, know what you can handle, and start very very small.
 
A lot of people have died and will continue to die from the many benzo and alcohol combo's that exist. I've had a lot of people around me go down from this combo alone with no other substances involved in their lives.

Yet, even though harm reduction may be about presenting safety first, that doesn't mean we should discount ALL of the scientific and neutral information available to us in both literal terms and social experiences.

Is combining alcohol and benzo's harmful to the body and a potentially fatal combination to a given user? Yes.
But can the two also be used in safe ways that many people continue practicing today without any negative effects seen? Yes.

I don't think anyone here would promote a mixture of the two. But that doesn't mean that people shouldn't speak about their own positive experiences in combining them. After all, everything is relative, and to get to a point of understanding what combinations of drugs are truly the most dangerous and warned against, we have to speak up about all experiences (both positive and negative) before we can reach a true understanding of any synergy of chemicals.
 
drugssexandmusic said:
Its not all about dosage Alcohol + Alcohol is safer than Alcohol + Valium FACT.

Quote:
"Alcohol and Valium

Mixing alcohol with Valium can kill you.
Alcohol, Valium (or other benzodiazepine drugs, such as Ativan, Xanax, Restoril and clonazepam) are all central nervous system (CNS) depressants. If you take too much of any CNS depressant, it slows down your breathing, which can lead to heart failure and even death.

When you mix CNS depressants together, they intensify each other’s effects. This means they can make you feel more drunk or stoned than you might expect. It also means that the effect on your breathing is intensified. Combining these drugs is extremely dangerous."

Personally a friend of mine died from combing a few drinks and a Xanax, Solide maybe you have mixed them and you have not gotten hurt [yet!], but your risking your health and your an idiot and are giving harmful advice, so STFU.
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Calm down, no need to get hostile.

Yes, you are correct: Risk(alcohol + benz) > Risk(alcohol + alcohol), I shouldn't have stated it so simplisticly.

But I also said: 'start LOW', and the personal dosages I mentioned (1/4 of a pill + few beers) would hardly be dangerous to anyone, except perhaps to someone with a (very ) low natural tolerance.

It CAN kill you, I mean it's a notorious combination because people use it to commit suicide, but in the spirit of harm reduction I think it's more sensible to advice caution and low doses instead of a 'just say no approach'. I doubt this is the only place the OP is looking for information and if he's seeing in one place: 'lol i got so smashed on 7 xannies & 10 shots of vodka best nite evr lol' and here someone who's saying: 'no, it's going to kill you' I doubt he's going to take you seriously.

If you have a friend that died due to this combination I understand that you're way more cautious, and I should've been more correct in what I said earlier, but I stand by my opinion that they can be combined if you're not fucking around.
 
drugssexandmusic said:
Personally a friend of mine died from combing a few drinks and a Xanax, Solide maybe you have mixed them and you have not gotten hurt [yet!], but your risking your health and your an idiot and are giving harmful advice, so STFU.
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So just because one moron dies means nobody should do it? That makes no sense. We don't care about your anecdotal evidence.


And again, watch for the irony.

Everyone on this forum is "risking their health" regardless of what drug they're using. I find it comical that you're so quick to call people idiots, when only a few days ago you made a sob-story thread about your newly acquired addiction. Nice work.
 
I used to do this pretty often. I found it useful, I had to spend less on a night on drinks to get where I wanted to be. Admittedly I did overdo it a few times, and I did some regrettable things, that was generally when id pop ~50mg and drink pretty heavilly. But like someone above said, start low, find the correct combo of doses and go from there.
 
I've gone through so many nights of high-dose benzos, z-drugs, alcohol, benadryl, and weed at the same time and im in good shape, so fuck you.
 
I'm prescribed them and in the past I would drink many beers with them but I had a very large tolerance, as I have been on them for nearly 10 years. I don't do it anymore, as I'm clean from alcohol now. Thats just personal experience.

In my opinion to answer your original question, from drinking 2 beers with a little bit of Diazepam you would not OD. The combination isn't safe in high quantity of either of the two but drinking 2 beers with a small dose wouldn't be harmful.
 
drugssexandmusic said:
Personally a friend of mine died from combing a few drinks and a Xanax, Solide maybe you have mixed them and you have not gotten hurt [yet!], but your risking your health and your an idiot and are giving harmful advice, so STFU.
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"A few" drinks being 3-5? "A" Xanax being 1 Xanax, max 2mgs?

If that's so I call BS. Sorry, but you aren't telling us the whole story. Maybe your friend got messed up and walked into traffic or fell down some stairs or something. Maybe your friend had an allergic reaction and asphyxiated. But I find it hard, or rather impossible to believe that someone could suffer respiratory failure from that little alcohol and alprazolam. Not unless there was something seriously wrong in the first place.
 
drugssexandmusic said:
Personally a friend of mine died from combing a few drinks and a Xanax, Solide maybe you have mixed them and you have not gotten hurt [yet!], but your risking your health and your an idiot and are giving harmful advice, so STFU.
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ive combined like 6-12 benadryls, lots of benzo and alcohol and weed and zopiclone (sleeper) with NO SIDE EFFECTS AT ALL. I combine lower doses of every drug in my house all the time.

as for your friend, thats his fault because he was a fuckin dumbass who probably deserved it. thats not drug-related death, thats natural selection acting on the stupid.
 
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